China Urges Anti-Japan Protests to Be 'Calm, Sane' (38)

1 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-04-10 02:00 ID:9VEWzjoK
China appealed to anti-Japan protesters who stoned the Japanese embassy and ambassador's residence in Beijing on Saturday to be "calm and sane" in their demonstrations

Large-scale protests are rare in China, where the Communist leadership is concerned about maintaining stability at a time of social change and a widening gap between rich and poor.

2 Name: Citizen 2005-04-10 03:20 ID:Heaven

> anti-Japan protesters who stoned the Japanese embassy

lol politeness

3 Name: Citizen 2005-04-10 14:58 ID:yBRdnGgR

now that's Ah Q quality

4 Name: Citizen 2005-04-11 17:20 ID:Heaven

TV news said some Japanese exchange students in China got hit with some heavy vases or whatever because they were from Japan. Dangerous.

5 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-04-12 00:11 ID:eY0sToOh

I never knew that (re)writing history books could turn out to be such a dangerous activity. ^^;

6 Name: kahless 2005-04-12 03:19 ID:rwKCzGV5

Well, you should see the american science text hubub in the USA. They're all like WTF you're gonna teach evolution? So far no vase throwing, but the debates get really heated.

7 Name: Citizen 2005-04-12 03:48 ID:Heaven

In the US it's different, though: Unlike in Asia, the conflict happens within a politically unified country. Also, one of the two "sides" in the US conflict is religious while the other one is more or less laical. In Asia, the conflict involves two countries (though the conflict may not be between the two countries themselves) and all parties involved are politically motivated.
I also get the impression that flag-burning, vase-throwing and all other kinds of vandalism seems to be the common norm on political rallies in non-japanese Asian countries. Confirm/Deny?

8 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-04-12 04:27 ID:eY0sToOh

That's Science vs Religion - Galileo got the heat from priests back in 1633 already. And Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake in 1600 for saying that the Universe could be bigger than expected. They are probably earlier examples but they escape me at the moment.

9 Name: Citizen 2005-04-12 05:54 ID:Heaven


>flag-burning, vase-throwing and all other kinds of vandalism seems to be the common norm on political rallies in non-japanese Asian countries.

Well, I don't know. I'm not sure all of them are in favor of such vandalism. But in China's case this time, I'd say yes. According to the newspaper I had in hand, thousands of Chinese people(in their 20's or 30's) got together and out of control because they were feeling very frustrated that economic development in China was centered on seashore areas such as Shanghai, as a result of which people living in midland of China took their anger out on Japan instead of thier own administration(As you know, China is a communist country). Besides, as I watched the news about the protest, what I felt worried about most was some of the participants seemed very enchanted, enjoying the vandalism.. They seemed to just enjoy it.

10 Name: Citizen 2005-04-12 06:12 ID:Heaven

In a nutshell, they've gone too far.

11 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-04-12 12:34 ID:eY0sToOh

I doubt anybody in Communist "if you rebel you are dead" China but a clique of intellectuals give a damn about what's written in other countries' history books and if those other countries have a seat at the UN or not.
Beijing is turning a blind eye on the riots because it serves their interests, IMO.
As it's the first time people can go out in groups without getting run over by tanks, they take that opportunity to get wild and party. ^_^;

12 Name: Citizen 2005-04-12 13:19 ID:Heaven

This doesn't directly relate to the riot this time, but I was wondering if Beijing could host the 2008 Olympic peacefully. As you may or may not know, in the Asian soccer tournament held in China last year, people were booing loudly in the stadiums... It was sort of depressing to know they didn't pay any respect to other countries. Of course, I admit that we'd love to cheer up our own contries, but why did they boo other teams? Where did I find a sense of sportsmanship in them? Well, I hope they come to think highly of sportsmanship.

13 Name: Citizen 2005-04-13 17:04 ID:x+hTQNbf

China has never thought highly of pure sportsmanship, nor have most other Communist countries in the past. Remember the Chinese sending steroid pumped women (almost becoming men) in to compete against other countries. The Soviet Union did the same thing too, although today Russia doesn't seem to engage in that so much. China doesn't care about sportsmanship, it only cares about winning and looking good.

Note that the situation in the USA with steroids in Baseball is different. That is a business, not a sport, and the players are trying to be stronger and better to earn more pay. People in the Olympics don't get paid, and usually compete only to be the best athletes, not to diminish other countries.

14 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 2005-04-13 20:15 ID:pdTFjJra

Gee, history repeats itself. East Germany's women's swim team was also pumped to the gills.

15 Name: Citizen 2005-04-15 18:46 ID:Heaven

Understood. I didn't know about the steroid pumped women's issue because either I missed it or my media didn't bring up the subject.. It seems like the administrative commitee of Olympic must've established a framework of what was right and bad, and got it across to the suspicious wrong doers. I'm not sure that could do the trick, though...

Let me go back to the protest. I've read aother message system
and found a Taiwanese post something like," China is now oppressing Taiwan and Tibet. Beijing always distracts people's attention from inside to overseas in order to keep Communism going" or whatever.. He sounded convincing to me. I think both Chinese people and non-Chinese have to see through what Beijing has on its mind.

17 Name: Citizen 2005-04-17 13:11 ID:Heaven

Look what Beijing has been doing now. It armed itself more and more. What for? Are they want to invade other Asian countries, like they have persecuted Tibet?

18 Name: Citizen 2005-04-18 01:23 ID:Heaven

I'd say China has armed itself because the US is always on its head as the most competitive opponent. Another cold war...

19 Name: Citizen 2005-04-18 07:54 ID:Heaven

According to the newspaper, Chinese bandits stormed into a Taiwanese company, destroyed it, and take away their commodities. How very premitive and vulger they are. How can we stop them?

20 Name: Citizen 2005-04-18 08:58 ID:Heaven


Care to provide any source? If you don't provide any sources for your factoids, one might as well assume you are just another Japanese racist troll.

21 Name: Citizen 2005-04-18 09:29 ID:Heaven

No, I didn't mean to troll at all.
I didn't provide a source because the news might not be translated into English.

This is the Taiwanese newspaper link.
You could make sure 美美電池 was attacked.

22 Name: Citizen 2005-04-18 22:54 ID:SmCstmxN

There's been many instances where Chinese managers take advantage of the fact that a 'local' Chinese must be the owner of a given corporation to their advantage.

In addition, kindly remember that the generation that is now the economic pillar of China had its education ravaged by the 'red guard' and several movements from 'hundred flowers' to the bloody internal purge of the CCP. The generation that follows them faced Tien'anman and only the generation after the Tian'anmen are raised without much political turmoil.

23 Name: PotatoSamurai!/sly9iFJgg 2005-04-22 02:24 ID:rxw6fT7G

I might be playing Civilization III too much, but it seems like Communism only works when attention is focused outwards, i.e. in war. Perhaps they are about to take Taiwan, or those islands containing coal or whatever between Japan and China?

24 Name: Citizen 2005-04-22 11:16 ID:Heaven

> I am playing Civilization III too much


25 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-04-22 12:10 ID:AoM0IDpD

Japan PM Apologizes for WWII Aggression
Japan's prime minister on Friday apologized for his country's World War II aggression in Asia but a Chinese official dismissed the remarks, saying "actions are more important" than words.

26 Name: Citizen 2005-04-22 16:57 ID:Heaven

I thought I would never post because some would take me as a trolling idiot. But please allow me to post just this once.
Japanese have felt sorry for the past and our older generation decided to help other Asian citizens with ODA(monetary aid) and appolosised. Even now japan brings huge money to China..
Appogies and money, what does Chinese goverment want other than that...? About history text books, unlike China, Japan has several kinds of them(exactly it's 8), and what's written inside is very objective, not aggitating...Japan should give up the variety? The more they get, the more demanding China becomes... I can't think up any sollution if they don't want to reach a compromise. What Japan should do to be friends with China again? Thanks for reading. I promiss I'll never post here in this thread.
China's Selective Memory
After all, Japan is one of the world's largest contributors of foreign aid and most generous backers of the United Nations, a successful democracy for more than a half-century, with a powerhouse economy and a constitution that forbids aggression.

27 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-04-22 22:42 ID:AoM0IDpD

I think Beijing is afraid that Japan gets a seat in the UN.

Beijing has committed many horrors in the past and today is number 1 in the world for death penalty murders.

28 Name: sage 2005-04-23 05:21 ID:9vJfRNRd

Now, Japan is concerned about China's promotion of making up false history.
We, Japanese, would like you, sensible Chinese, to know the truth, so
We made this short film. If many people in the world see this,
that would be great. Please take a look!!

29 Name: Citizen 2005-04-23 09:12 ID:Heaven


a few wording suggestions.

  • 'During World War II, Japanese government...'

'insisted' -> 'claimed'
'set up' -> 'build'

  • 'However, it was only a slogan...'

'only' -> 'nothing more than'
'a necessary resource' -> 'natural resources necessary'

  • 'were killed by combats, massacres, hunger, forced labor and so on.'

there is no 'killed' word in the original text. It says 'became the victims of...'
'hunger' -> 'starvation'
'so on' -> 'so forth'
[translation of just one paragraph is far from convincing audience, scan more textbooks by other publishers. btw Chinese will never be satisfied until all Japanese textbook sentences become identical to the Chinese fantacy novel called 'history testbook.']

  • 'the textbooks don't affirm the war.'

'affirm' doesn't sound right, 'glorify' is better. Because, Japan-haters will bash the Flash for telling a lie, pointing out that Tsukuru-kai is somewhat 'affirmative' about the war.

  • 'Japanese people forever renounce war...'

Add 'Constitution Article 9' there.

  • 'Japan doesn't have even'

you mean 'Japan doesn't even have' right?

  • 'Emperor on now'

??? any reason for just 'Emperor' is not enough?

  • 'Compensation from Japan to China'

'reparations' is the correct term, use plural form. 'from Japan' redundant, it's just obvious.

  • 'In 1972, China resigned...'

'renounced' is the word. Use the exact quote there, source ttp://

  • 'But Japan has been supporting...'

'but' is unnecessary. 'substitute' has negative connotation, find another word.

30 Name: Citizen 2005-04-23 11:11 ID:xuAWk4sw


All Chinese should see this movie!!

Excellent! A great work!

31 Name: Citizen 2005-04-23 12:31 ID:Heaven

Asian propaganda sure is cute.

32 Name: Citizen 2005-04-25 08:45 ID:e8s3bAFu

I can't watch it.

33 Name: Citizen 2005-04-27 14:07 ID:ot2Ebiv9

If China has an ear to foreign countries,
it's not China.

34 Name: Citizen 2005-05-02 13:23 ID:EyGoc/Cu

Can you post another mirror for the flash? I won't start to ridicule your beliefs until I know what you believe first ^_~

<-- chinese btw.

35 Name: Zebulon 2005-11-27 22:43 ID:P+zN9HZg

Japan could use another ass-whooping; they're getting too smug and self-important again. It would be refreshing to see them put back in their place by the country whose culture they stole, only to accuse the originators of it of cannibalism, among other things goin into revisionist history texts.

36 Name: Citizen 2005-11-30 03:00 ID:kn3NXxi4

Hah, the history books in questions have only been used by something like 0.5% of the schools in Japan.
Why is controversy always caused by non-issues? :(

37 Name: Citizen 2005-11-30 10:50 ID:SwFSvl4n

As far as I can tell China is trying to achieve 2 things:
1) Control anti-Japanese sentiment among its population;

The official party line supports the sentiment of the people in order to appease them. We have seen rioting and other vandalism of Japanese-owned property that would undermine both the CCP's control as well as Sino-Japan international ties (read: trade).

2) Flex muscle in the global political arena.

With China's rise on the world economic stage it now has an opportunity to use a bit of political bargaining power. China's insistence on Japan's compliance with regards to historical events, and Japan's stubborness to submit is all part of the battle of political wills for dominance of the region.

38 Name: Citizen 2005-11-30 11:55 ID:OpiIz7EA

If these posts could all be strung together it would describe what's going on pretty well.
China should stop dicking around with these extortionist practices and throw all the funding they have into robotics and space flight if they want to show up Japan. And maybe pull a game system out of their ass too, although I don't think it would sell too well in the US no matter how good it was. Be mountains of Falwell's ilk outside every major electronics/entertainment enterprise going "OMG WE CANT BELIEF UR SUPPORTING DA EBIL COMMIE CHINKS!" Plus no matter the quality everyone would have this innate belief it must be made of cheaply made and replaceable parts.

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