Ex-oil lobbyist watered down US climate research (21)

1 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-06-09 03:22 ID:JL1N/JSz

http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/0,11319,1502486,00.html
"A former oil industry lobbyist edited the Bush administration's official policy papers on climate change to play down the link between greenhouse gas emissions and global warming, it was reported yesterday."

"The Bush aide had performed a similar role in his previous job for the American Petroleum Institute, a lobby group representing oil giants and focused on countering the virtual consensus among scientists that man-made emissions are rapidly heating the planet.

"Cooney's still doing his old job for the American Petroleum Institute," said Kert Davies, the US research director for Greenpeace. "It's the American Petroleum Institute working within the White House." "

2 Name: Alexander!DxY0NCwFJg!!muklVGqN 2005-06-09 16:00 ID:Heaven

The US administration is working really, really hard to lie all it can about environmental issues. I see it as only a matter of time before it all turns into an embarrassing thing of the past.

(As a side note, Kerry had an environmentally very solid voting record in the senate - but I guess he was just flip-flopping and both the candidates were totally the same anyway.)

3 Name: Citizen 2005-06-11 00:31 ID:uY+QYLOR

I HATE AMERIKKKA!!!!

The Earth gaining a few degrees ins't going to be the end of the world. It adapts. With or without us.

4 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 2005-06-11 02:14 ID:Q6lQL9mw

Yeah. It's the "without" bit that we selfish people are worried about.

5 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-06-11 04:09 ID:Heaven

Especially if we live at sea level... ^-^;

6 Name: Citizen 2005-06-11 04:43 ID:WMd2uNQo

To clarify, I'm just sick of the enviro people screaming about how important the earth is, while it's not the earth that's important, it's us.

7 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 2005-06-11 04:59 ID:Q6lQL9mw

Well, it might be annoying, but it's the same thing in the end, isn't it?

Look at the bright side, they're bringing attention to an issue. Without extremists, who are the moderates?

8 Name: Citizen 2005-06-11 05:42 ID:WMd2uNQo

Well, then of course there's the guy who thinks the best thing in the world would be if humanity went extinct. I don't want no cockroaches and spotted owls dancing on my gravy I can tell you that right now!

9 Name: Citizen 2005-06-11 05:43 ID:WMd2uNQo

10 Name: Citizen 2005-06-14 18:53 ID:7D/NR+jc

I noticed that site is very popular among furries.

11 Name: Citizen 2005-06-14 23:51 ID:Heaven

makes sense

12 Name: Citizen 2005-06-21 19:26 ID:D/EswQ/c

From what I can tell and what I have read from scientists, this global warming thing could be going on without our help. It is part of the natural cycle of the Earth to have climate changes.

13 Name: Citizen 2005-06-21 21:45 ID:f6fW4dZd

Doesn't prevent people from having heart attacks over it. Rather than prepare they screw up.

14 Name: Alexander!DxY0NCwFJg!!muklVGqN 2005-06-22 00:40 ID:Heaven

>From what I can tell and what I have read from scientists, this global warming thing could be going on without our help. It is part of the natural cycle of the Earth to have climate changes.

Get a better view of the scientists. The overwhelming consensus now is that humans are indeed effecting climate change.

15 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 2005-06-22 01:17 ID:Heaven

Of course, some people conveniently sit on the fence and say, "well, we can't be certain".

No, we can't. But do you really want to gamble the fate of our decendants on that?

If you do, and you're rich, I really want to play poker with you. I'll take you to tIt'll be fun.

16 Name: DsV 2005-10-25 07:51 ID:Pbx9XR84

So much carbon trapped in the earth for so long (a few hundred millions years to trap all that carbon, ton after ton, millenium after millenium), and we blow it in the air so fast : how many hundred years of trapping carbon are we burning everyday ? Can't imagine it could be perfectly safe.

17 Name: Citizen 2005-11-01 03:51 ID:w/CkgNp2

You know, even if the earth warming up is a natural cycle, humans would not want that because their habitats would be destroyed and environment changed.

I said this because some people said that we don't have to worry because it is natural but even though it is natural it might not be advantageous to us.

18 Name: Citizen 2005-11-08 02:50 ID:J5dFRBr+

>>14

Consensus has nothing to do with science.

19 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 2005-11-08 16:28 ID:Heaven

>>18
If the majority of scientists support a particular theory, there must be a lot of supporting evidence.

Does it mean it's correct? No, but we can be fairly confident in it.

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21 Name: Citizen 2006-01-13 13:31 ID:42L7gLdJ

The consensus of scientists is based on their observation and testing of the evidence, which leads them to believe overwhelmingly that people are contributing to major, potentially problematic climate changes on the Earth.

I've yet to see an editorial or what have you published in a newspaper opposing this consensus that global warming does indeed exist that was written by an actual scientist.

Science is about observing the world and trying to find out what the truth is. There's no political agenda involved. It doesn't benefit scientists any more to share evidence of global warming than it would to say there's no such thing. Unless they're paid off with prodigious amounts of money to keep quiet.

>>6

God didn't make this whole thing so that we could burn it into oblivion. The Bible says numerous times that we're supposed to be caretakers of God's green Earth.

And it also says that in the Kingdom of God, people will stop harming the Earth.

It's not beneficial to humanity to let the Earth be destroyed, so what's your reasoning?

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