[DELPHI] Need help beginning (18)

1 Name: #!/usr/bin/anonymous : 2007-05-31 08:03 ID:VZhvxj8C

I'd like to learn Delphi as my first programming language.. but I need to know the following:

A) What are some FREE compilers?
B) What are some COMMERCIAL compilers?
C) What sites should I visit if im BEGINNING
D) What's the difference between PASCAL and DELPHI?

Thanks.

2 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E : 2007-05-31 08:49 ID:Heaven

I have not used Delphi/Object Pascal/whatever. That said:

a) http://www.freepascal.org/ and http://www.gnu-pascal.de/
b) http://www.codegear.com/products/delphi/win32
c) Maybe http://fundelphi.org/?
d) Delphi is a both development environment and a more modern dialect of Pascal that supports OO and various other goodies.

3 Name: #!/usr/bin/anonymous : 2007-06-03 00:38 ID:Heaven

d) Delphi is Pascal with moar bloat. Srsly, 400KB "Hello world" console app? WTF?

4 Name: #!/usr/bin/anonymous : 2007-06-04 21:52 ID:Xr0KRd1x

>>1

Don't. You'll do yourself and the world a favour. Learn C and Python instead.

5 Name: #!/usr/bin/anonymous : 2007-06-07 02:41 ID:Heaven

>>4
...or C and Lua, or C and JavaScript, or C and Ruby, or something.

6 Name: #!/usr/bin/anonymous : 2007-06-07 17:21 ID:VZhvxj8C

C++ is better than C for windows programming lol

7 Name: #!/usr/bin/anonymous : 2007-06-07 22:49 ID:HQQWtbzR

Fuck all. C. C. C. learn C. Delphi, Javascript(ish,)lua,ruby, java , are all for pussies.

8 Name: #!/usr/bin/anonymous : 2007-06-07 22:49 ID:HQQWtbzR

Oh, and you can use C++ later. ASM would be a good starting point, but since you like language, use C.

9 Name: #!/usr/bin/anonymous : 2007-06-07 22:50 ID:HQQWtbzR

And I understand D is pretty cool. For later.

10 Name: #!/usr/bin/anonymous : 2007-06-08 13:28 ID:Heaven

Pascal is basically C with less fail, nothing wrong with it. The problem is retarded "visual" development environments, which you can find in almost any language.

11 Name: #!/usr/bin/anonymous : 2007-06-09 11:38 ID:Heaven

In Pascal, aren't array's sizes part of their type?

How do you work around that without being crippled by it?

12 Name: #!/usr/bin/anonymous : 2007-06-12 13:46 ID:kKagkVDX

>>11
I guess one way is to start knowing how big your data is.

13 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E : 2007-06-13 05:43 ID:Heaven

My understanding is that Object Pascal has dynamic arrays.

14 Name: #!/usr/bin/anonymous : 2007-06-15 13:42 ID:jawhnn3a

>>10

Pascal is a language designed for teaching, not using. And it shows. No sane person would try to write a real program in it.

15 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E : 2007-06-15 17:02 ID:Heaven

>>14
Quite a few programs were written with Pascal in the DOS days. Ultimately, C won out, but for a period of time that was by no means certain.

Then of course there's Delphi. I know a couple senior developers who have used the language, and both had only good things to say about it. They considered the passing of Delphi to be tragic.

16 Name: #!/usr/bin/anonymous : 2007-06-15 23:57 ID:3g+DZ1T8

>>15

Well, there was a time when choices were not as good as they are today.

17 Name: #!/usr/bin/anonymous : 2007-06-20 17:43 ID:hc+ubcSl

many Pascal quirks have been fixed. I still can't stand programming in that language.
If you're going to start in delphi, don't get too closed on it. Try more languages.

18 Name: #!/usr/bin/anonymous : 2007-07-09 12:27 ID:FzH3V58X

you say Pascal's problems have been fixed. But at its heart it will always be a bondage-and-discipline language. I'm not saying its wrong to use it, but do realize that other stuff out there tends to be more flexible.

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