I do, but they have their own flaws. There are some masterpieces, though. Bangai-Oh and Ikaruga come to mind.
Incidentially, both of these games do away with one of the biggest flaws in shmup gameplay: weapon upgrades. Far too many games are rendered unplayable because to survive on later levels, you have to power up on earlier ones and then DON'T DIE AND LOSE ALL YOUR WEAPONS.