4chan is dying. Discuss!
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moot's going to take the money and run. Discuss!
IIchan will die from the massive amount of leaked sewage. Discuss!
moot is taking the donation money and going to Cancun
I'm more concerned about world4ch. Where, oh where, will my flaming grounds go?
>>6
wow. thank you for contributing to world4ch. your contribution is very much appreciated.
>>7
Oh, you're very welcome. If I wasn't around there'd be a lot less intelligent discussion in the forums I inhabit, that's for sure.
Don't presume my style of flame is the same as yours.
GB2 world4ch you don't belong here, bye bye
Too bad.
What's there to discuss?
If they die: too bad, shit happens.
If they live: good for them.
This isn't a very exciting topic of discussion at all, I am afraid.
>>9 is pretty DQN.
oh noeeezzz!!111oneone!11 not teh 4chan!
/cry
lol internet
It's been in a state of "dying" for years now.
4ch is dying? That is nonsense.
someday, this will be like japanese 2ch.
>>18
Not 4-ch but 4chan!
Which came first, 4chan or 4-ch? What is world4ch? The similarity of the names make things quite inconvenient, but I guess it's too late to change now :(
>>20
4chan did.
world4ch came a month after 4-ch, we don't really know why.
I agree that the name convention is highly confusing.
>>21
Actually, we do. Moot wanted a discussion board like the old world2ch, imagining that it would make 4chan bigger and better. He called me about it (yes, on the phone) before 4-ch was started, but I took a hell of a long time writing all that crappy PHP code.
What a mess!
Lets merge!!
... though b-tards would ruin it all like they did with world4ch.
So maybe the solution is just to advertise 4-ch to all your friends/family/associates? Although it seems counter-productive as 4-ch is kinda slow, maybe adding more niche boards like "Romance" etc. would entice more people to visit because of the variety.
Nah, adding niche boards that nobody posts in won't work.
If you want to make this forum more popular, just make a useful or funny contribution, that's all. If there's a topic that's not been covered by any of the boards yet, try starting a thread in /general/ about it.
PS: There's a thread in /net/ which tries to give answers to some of these questions.
What makes an internet forum popular?
http://4-ch.net/net/kareha.pl/1114736159
i think world4ch is dead , like one or two post on one day.
but 4chan live's on , it got money for 6months now.
Yeah, I too was going to suggest a "love & relationships" section.
Not really sure what for, but 2ch has a lot of sections like it. I'm sure someone would put it to use.
These two threads can be used for eloquent board requests:
Requests.
http://4-ch.net/req/kareha.pl/1099380486
Board requests
http://4-ch.net/req/kareha.pl/1104424964
>>31
Heh? Densha Otoko pops up in my mind.
Let's have some drama. Today I visited 4chan for the first time in a while. This is what I saw:
> I went ahead and purchased three new servers.
Frankly, moot shouldn't be let near money. He's flat incompetent (or bending the truth).
Also, I suspect Lucid isn't quite up to the job: http://dis.4chan.org/read.php/sug/1126844853/22
I think it's a minor miracle that 4chan has survived as long as it has. Certain members of the administration are 4chan's own worst enemies.
Feel free to convince me otherwise. I'm curious what's going on over there.
>>"I like the dell 1u boxes because they hold a shit load of
cheap ram, period. That is it, there is nothing else."
lol.
Though, having been a sysadmin of a site that constantly pushed 80mbit (when it was up, lol) I see somewhat where he was coming from. (The site I helped sysadmin was one AMD Opteron Dual Core server on a 100 mbit line. Previously we had 1 dual Xeon server with a few randomly configured mirrors on about 1 30 mibit line and had no problems since the load was better balanced out.)
And alternatives, such as lighttpd and thttpd, are so freaking hard to get to do what you want as compared to apache. Especially when trying to get them to play right with php and mysql.
But I am curious as to how much they actually did pay for those along with the various components. And seeing as it it was paid with donations, the public does sort of have a right to know.
...though certainly, buying it just for the ram is retarded.
What I find most amusing is Lucid apparently hasn't heard of shared memory. Take a close look at the numbers he gives.
And this guy is running 4chan's servers. Yow.
In moot's defense (I must be feeling generous), the entire server idiocy will probably work out for him. People will chip in yet again if he screams that it's all going down in flames. And if they don't? He still has three pieces of hardware.
It's quite underhanded though.
I'm sorry, call me an idiot, flame and troll me if you will, but I think the decision they made to get 3x servers with a lot of ram wasn't stupid at all. In fact, if I was running a site that was 4chan, I probably would have taken the same idea. Dell don't exactly make shit hardware, it is commonplace gear, it has good support from the company and it works well. It's not some no-name brand with some crappy random hardware. I could sit here and scream about how they aren't using X hardware on X operating system with X webserver config, however what they have in place works well for them. Hell, the apache setup they use to ban people, I use here.
I think they made a simple mistake out of all of this: they didn't communicate with the community as much. To try and solve all of this a simple thread asking their users "well, what do you think we should buy with your donations?" might have prevented a lot of this drama. People who have put in part of their salary's will no doubt want to put in 2c of their opinion. And no doubt with a community the size of 4chan that there would be professional, informed opinions of people who have a clue about these things.
As you may have noticed, I did agree with the 3x servers, apache and whatnot.
I only said buying those specific servers based solely on the fact that "they hold a shit load of cheap ram, period" seems rather idiotic. Doesn't sound like they researched any possible alternatives that would have held as much, or less, but still a reasonable amount (Since I doubt they'll add the full 12 GB,) with a possible better hardware setup.
But if that's what they wanted to do/did, fine for them. It's their website. Lot's of people don't really plan out the best setup for their website/server(s.) (Including me, in the past.)
Buying servers wasn't a mistake. Buying them before there was enough money for the bandwidth was. Those servers won't do any good if they're not connected to the internet.
4chan can always ask for more donations, but if they keep doing it eventually nobody will care. It's a typical cry wolf situation, and there are already numerous comments in 4chan's forums to the effect of, "Oh, well, 4chan's died many times already, but it always came back."
>>36
Please explain what shared memory has to do with the numbers he gave..
Sure. First he says, "245 requests currently being processed". Then shows the following status line:
45820 www 2 0 10648K 7652K sbwait 0:01 1.57% 1.56% httpdThen he says, "if you do the math that is about 2.5 GB of ram".
So, he's implying that he multiplied one of those numbers by 245. If you use resident memory as the number, 245proc * 10648K/proc = 2.55 GB. Perhaps I've misunderstood what he's saying, but it's consistent with his claim.
However, he's completely ignored the next column, which indicates how much memory is potentially shared by the process. Nearly 3/4 of that 10648KB could be shared with other httpd processes. In short, a more realistic number is much smaller than the 10MB he states.
Notice how I qualify my statements above with "potentially" and "may". The truth is that measuring memory consumption in *nix is something of a black art. However, his claim is ridiculous, that much you can be certain of.
Then, of course, there's the hilarious problem of 4chan's provider. Take a close look at http://theplanet.com/. Do you see any servers there that support more than 2GB RAM?
You don't understand the numbers.
7652k is the amount of resident memory. 10648k is the total memory usage, but around 3000k (10500k-7500k) are either copy-on-write, zero-filled, shared or simply paged out, which is why they are non-resident.
It is not true that measuring memory consumption is a black art. The only thing that is impossible on FreeBSD (or any OS with an overcommitting VM) is knowing when more memory that the machine can use is being allocated, but it's not the case here.
My suggestion is that before you give your opinion about something, you actually try to know as much as possible about it.
I took a second look. I was one column off (the linux version has a SHR right after RES by default). --;
I stand corrected. Ow.
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>>43
lol~
>>16
atleast the winner wont forget their towel
> Then, of course, there's the hilarious problem of 4chan's provider. Take a close look at http://theplanet.com/. Do you see any servers there that support more than 2GB RAM?
That's because they aren't on that page, or any other page!
Do you even see any unmetered packages or even FreeBSD there? I don't!
www.servermatrix.com
Also, it's more than possible to install FreeBSD onto those boxes whilst you don't have physical access to them... I dunno how exactly, but it's possible.
>>50
It is a highly evil procedure that is done by overwriting the beginning of the disk with a FreeBSD disk image. Of course, if something goes wrong, the machine is pretty much hosed (it won't boot), and the disk needs to be restored.
Well, it turns out they are 2GB machines after all.
>>50
They are rented from there but the package is no longer available for new purchases, for whatever reason.
Got any online docs or anything? I'm rather interested in this.
<pand4> hey will world4ch stay up even if 4chan dies
<@ALTERNATIVE> no
<@ALTERNATIVE> its on the same servers!
<+Maggot> durr
<@ALTERNATIVE> I'm sure someone else would host it
<@ALTERNATIVE> well, they wouldnt
<@ALTERNATIVE> because nobody uses it
<ddchk> pixel does apparently
<pand4> i think it was kinda lame to create world4ch a month after 4-ch
<@ALTERNATIVE> vista installs at the speed of smell
<@ALTERNATIVE> I think 4-ch kinda sucks
>>57
ALTERNATIVE appears to be pretty stupid.
Stupid websites animosity drama is DQN
A SAGE IS FINE TOO