From the front page:
You have three weeks.
Posted on Monday 10th of April 2006
On Tuesday the 11th I will be sitting down with a few people and organising some sort of temporary hosting arrangements because I have had to cancel my credit card. Now this is not a call for donations, because just throwing money at me is not going to solve the problem. The problem is that quite a few people obviously, use 4-ch, post, read, and want the site to be around. Nobody wants to actually do anything about trying to keep it around. Out of the 4 elected moderators, 1 replied within a fortnight. I do excuse Shii, since he was away. One of my other moderators is MIA and for some reason can't email me, and another person is too busy hacking this site than actually doing something productive like he said he would months ago, meanwhile the regular lot will just quote out this front page and put it in a dqn thread with my name on it.
In three weeks the current hosting arrangements for this site end. If you do something, be it start discussion, offer help, create possible solutions to our current issues it will show that this community actually does care. If you don't actually do something other than talk about it, then obviously you don't care.
You have three weeks.
~Squeeks
(In general instead of requests since that board isn't quite as trafficed, I think.)
Share your ideas!
Sure, I want to help, but the only way I can do that is with money. :(
And personally, I don't even get the message on the front page.
As far as I see it, all of the discussion, offers of help, and suggestions for possible solutions happened months ago.
The only thing left, that hasn't really happened, is some sort of decision or compromise based on that. Let me reiterate the suggestion that I made months ago, and IMO, seems to make sense:
Hostingwise, let's let BlackMage handle it. He said he would try to do a good job with it, and so far I've seen no reason to doubt him.
Just in case, we should also start a "4-ch" fund, where, say, 4 people donate $20 each month. That way, in case Blackmage does actually go MENTALLY INSANE, there would be a backup plan. Sort of like the US Government's system of checks and balances.
Since English is not my primary language I'm hard to understand what he's appealing to us.
So what actually does he want us to do except donations?
>>6
move to japan and use dirt cheap fiber internet?
I wish to help, but how?
find some place that will host 4-ch for free
http://server.maido3.com/
this one, right?
How much bandwidth does 4-ch.net require anyways?
> Hostingwise, let's let BlackMage handle it. He said he would try to do a good job with it, and so far I've seen no reason to doubt him.
I do have reason to doubt him. He can't even get nub.iichan.net to work properly. That server has had broken behavior for a year now.
Fortunately, there are other people who have offered to take on 4-ch who actually have their shit together. The question is whether Squeeks will let them.
Err... what I meant to say is, who are these other people? You can't ask the public to make a decision while only giving them pertial information.
I think you're under some kind of illusion: we here are not making any decision. The two people who will ultimately decide are Squeeks and the new site host, whoever that may be.
I'm just pointing out that I do not believe BM is a good choice. His heart is in the right place, but I think IIchan is already more than enough for him to handle. There are other people I'd rather see hosting 4-ch.
>>13
50gb/month, but that's just right now... it's still growing
What can I do? Besides talking about it and throwing money squeeks's way.
Do we offer squeeks some free hosting?
Go ask moot#faggot for halp?
I'd do it, but I don't think Squeeks likes me ;_;
Besides, the real question isn't bandwidth (it's all text, not anywhere near as bad as imageboards) but CPU strain. What sort of CPU Usage does 4-ch have?
I am against letting moot administrate 4-ch...just imagine the hordes of /b/tards who will destroy our fine /dqn/ with PENIS PENIS PENIS etc.
By the way...how much does the hosting of 4-ch cost?
http://4-ch.net/req/kareha.pl/1138172275/14
Seems to be about $80 a month.
I know advertising wouldn't pay much seeing as this site isn't too popular yet.. but have you seen the amount of advertising on 2ch? I can see why many people wouldn't want porn ads coming up every time you click a link, but I don't think a few banner ads would hurt.
Is the only recourse left to let the iichan/wakachan crew take over?
What are the ways we can help out with 4ch? I'd like to help but the message doesn't seem clear as to what the problems are. By keeping it around, is it hosting problems or just management issues?
yeah, I'd donate a bunch of monies if it would help or something
Ｍａｙｂｅ ＶＩＰＰＥＲ ｃａｎ ｈｅｌｐ？
Heh, it's not like I didn't volunteer to help moneywise, moderatorwise, and offer whatever other knowledge/help I can, short of taking over a big job completely myself, but it seems I was just sort of ignored.
so 4-ch is dying?
And that's the greatest value of an anonymous board. Anyone can claim that they tried to make a difference without any chance of verification.
Bottom lining it: Anonymous may not forgive, but he sure as shit doesn't make a difference, and is ENTIRELY ignorable.
>>31 is an idiot.
Heh, guess I wasn't really thinking when I posted that.
Guess I should have always posted with a trip for you, eh? :p
Also, it's sort of great how everyone in this thread is Anonymous other than that Jisaku Jien guy.
>>36
I would e-mail squeeks about it so he can give you more specifics of what you can do to help. Seeing someone post "I will help" is good, but it's hard to contact them specifically to find out what exactly they can do.
So my meeting fell short and didnt work out. Right now myself and 4-ch are looking for the following to help us stay alive:
* A possible webhost. We chew about 50Gb/mo with data compression on, or about 15kb/s constant. The only required features are Apache, Perl 5.8 and good uptime.
* Programmers. In particular Perl/CGI, but PHP coders who handle file reading/writing well are also useful. HTML/CSS is also required.
* A bigger more in depth list will go up soon, otherwise email me. Any reasonable offer will be considered.I wonder if 2ch would let us have a wee corner on their servers. surely 50GB/month is miniscule compared to what they must go through in a week, or a day.
Whoops, just re-read http://4-ch.net/req/kareha.pl/1138172275/14. It looks closer to 400GB/month. Still, considering the activity rate it's still gotta be tiny in comparison.
What's the feeling on shared hosting? Dreamhost seems to work well for several wakachan segments.
http://www.dreamhost.com/shared/comparison.html
I can easily pay for one or two year's hosting now(20GB storage 1000GB transfer), and move to a dedicated server after I graduate next month and find a job(the market's looking pretty good right now).
http://www.dreamhost.com/rewards.html
If we get someone to refer us they'd get(and hopefully pass back to us) $97 which would already cover most of a year's cost.
>>45
Ah, you're right. I see it's clarified in a later post.
if anyone really wants to, I'll give a full value referrel to dreamhost. and dreamhost now gives a terabyte of traffic per month.
>>48
I considered volunteering my ref, but then I remembered DREAMHOST SHOULDN'T BE AN OPTION!
>>49 Of COURSE not. only commoners use Dreamhost. or something like that. ummm, what?
Dreamhost should be enough for 4-ch. This "we're too cool for shared hosting" attitude is just idiotic for a site like this.
What kind of CPU is in the current server, and how much does 4-ch use it? That's the only big difference I can think of between shared and dedicated hosting.
Lunarpages?
When is ZERO HOUR? I have a feeling that nothing will be done to help 4-ch exist on the internets.
Gaddamnit squeeks get off you high horse and work with us here.
I don't understand why you're holding out for someone with a dedicated server. There ARE people here who want to help 4-ch out. With or without you, 4-ch will live on; it's up to you to help shape that future.
Let's look at who's publicly offered to help:
*BM, wih his dedicated server (slightly unstable, both mentally and server-side)
*anon, on shared hosting (humblefool.net, natch, w/ bandwidth to spare)
*uhhh, other people?
I really like this site, too.
Maybe we should be more concerned with continuing the idea of this place without squeeks' help, if that makes sense.
Listen to >>61. He's an astute fellow, who has an ear to the ground. :(
I think it's about time to make a post here, since people here are getting misconceptions about what I have, and haven't done.
Sometime before Thursday we'll get moved servers. Right now, we basically have a box to ourselves, which I pay for. Our next move is within the same facility, however a different owner, who will be providing it free-of-charge for as long as the site doesn't cause any problems, suck bandwidth dry etc.
I'm sorry if you think I'm riding a horse or something, >>61, but why take any old shared hosting deal when I know I can get a better offer that only benefits us? Shared hosting is fine for sites that don't get huge fluctuations in bandwidth, and those that won't get bigger in a huge rush. For a website that occaisionally gets nailed by 2ch, a site that hopefully will grow and become bigger, I honestly would like to get 4-ch the best sort of hosting arrangements I can.
I would also like to thank the solitary person who has offered to code for us. If anyone cares, I might look at setting up Subversion/CVS or something on the server move, amoungst a small pile of other things.
> Shared hosting is fine for sites that don't get huge fluctuations in bandwidth
o rly? Since when has 4-ch come anywhere close to 1TB? Or even 100GB? The real reason you obsess over a dedicated box is that torrent tracker, isn't it?
Some business acumen please. You don't rent a campus for an unprofitable one man show that's still running out of a basement.
BTW, I'm glad to hear that 4-ch will survive, but I'm growing a bit concerned about its future.
> How many people browse 4-ch from sites other than Wakachan/IIchan?
probably quite a few... i visit wakachan/iichan less than once a month... i visit the 4-ch front page even less often, tho...
>>69
On the contrary, most visits are directly to 4-ch.net. wakachan/iichan sidebar is much used too though.
How about you ask me questions instead of thinking you're smart and guessing them?
>>68 I am too since the numbers of critiques and lounge chair analysts currently outweighs anyone trying to be productive :(
> critiques and lounge chair analysts currently outweighs anyone trying to be productive :(
Well (duh), welcome to the internet. Is this not always the case?
It's easier to be a critique than helpfull. Still I see a lot of people here trying to help.
Anyway, it only takes a few dedicated persons to run a successfull site, so I don't see the problem now that we have the hosting in place.