So, taking a look at the popularity of 2ch and how significant it is within Japanese internet culture, what exactly are the cultural/social differences that make 2ch so popular and 4-ch so dead (relatively)? Although one could claim it was Densha Otoko that really brought 2ch into the mainstream attention, the fact of the matter is that it was nearly ubiquitous previous to Densha.
Furthermore, what can be done to make 4-ch more popular? I would love to see the board become as strong as 2ch, and although that may not be possible, it would be nice to see a community develop.
obsession to compensate for lower brain mass
>>74 Ironic obsession to compensate for small penis size more like
I think an anonymous board could take off, if the conditions were right.
First, we need to be the first with good information. People started reading blogs when it became clear that blogs had good information not available elsewhere. For one, the memogate scandal was broken by bloggers who managed to determine that the documents were written on MS Word in Courier New, rather than in the 1960's with a typewriter. If 4-ch or other such boards got the goods first, then people would come just to read the news. They may stay for DQN, which has its own charm.
Secondly, it should have good advice. That's what the original 2chan has for the Japanese, ask a question on 2chan, and chances are an expert will answer, rather than having to look it up yourself.
Thirdly, it needs more discussions.
Anonymity isn't as significant a feature of 2ch as is often commented. 2ch doesn't have account system because the forum script was simple and primitive. You are still anonymous anyway even if you create an account with email verification on forums like phpbbs unless you are using your real name for account name.
No, that's not anonymity, that's pseudoanonymity. Sure, you're anonymous as far as your real life is concerned, but in a registration system people will recognize you from thread to thread. You will have a "personality". That is, unless you create a new account for every topic you wish to post in.
Er, whoops. That should be "pseudonymity", not "pseudoanonymity".
4-ch needs a philosophy board :)
>>78
Anonymity is a significant feature of 2ch. The admin himself is a proponent of anonymous posting. Second, one is no longer anonymous when multiple posts can be traced back to one source.
>>1
Easy answer, do what the popular boards are doing right now. I'm sure if 4-ch switched to phpbb, established a "rep" system, postcounting, etc., it would get popular and turn into a typical english speaking animu board like the hundreds out there.
How did 4chan get such high posting rates? By allowing it's base to create the content, hate speech, whatnot - result? People visit.
2ch is made popular for news4vip, 4chan by /b/
If 4-ch wants to be popular, dqn has to be popular first.
You can't get people to visit a board where the subject matter is alien to the masses. 4-ch will never be popular imho.
Instead of asking us the questions why? shouldn't we regulars contribute to the growth of 4-ch?
and yes, im doing my part.
I know it isn't an issue, but why dont we change the name of this website.
I know we copied everything and are wannabie 2channel, but it would be nice with some originality.
>>85 I'd highly recommend DQN to my friends...if I had any.
>>90
I got a friend to go to DQN, and he complained that it hurt his brain, or something like that.
Speaking as a noob, I would say that many people don't even know this place exists. The only reason I found out about 4ch was through wikipedia when I was searching up Mona. I think it would take a while for new people to get used to cause I already find it overwhelming in the most confusing way.
From what I can see it's not very active either. Is there like a thread that has any introduction... or like a guide? (.____.)
>>94
Well, there's the wiki ( http://4-ch.net/wiki/ ) and the rather old, but still important text about why 2-ch style anonymity matters - http://wakaba.c3.cx/shii/shiichan
Oooooh I completely overlooked the wiki before~ Thanx
I am a /b/tard, commenting on this thread.
After Otakon, imo, 4chan really went to hell, because it was infested by cocksucking animu retards.
The reason I love the chans and ch boards is BECAUSE I don't have to identify myself with anything I post. I can post the most vile, hateful things, and not worry about getting banned, or whatever.
I don't have to worry about my reputation being messed up if I post something stupid.
I don't understand why everyone is so obsessed with phpBB, to me, it's a hassle.
I was going to work on a project of mine, a ch, but I don't have the time yet. ;_;
I honestly can't tell if this is a troll or not.
>After Otakon, imo, 4chan really went to hell, because it was infested by cocksucking animu retards.
Welcome to the purpose for practically the entire site. Have you never been to a board other than /b/? /a/, /c/, /cgl/, /cm/, /d/, /e/, /h/, /m/, /u/, /w/, and /y/ all have to do with anime-related content. Having "cocksucking animu retards" on 4chan is absolutely nothing new.
To be honest, I'm a little glad that 4-ch isn't more popular than it is. If it was, I'd probably spend all of my time here. A little more activity wouldn't hurt however, especially in some of the niche boards.
>>1 well my best bet would be hopin a Densha Otoko situation happening here....
who am i kinda, i doubt much people would be willin to help like those guys did... (¬_¬;)
>>97 but thats how you can get random flamers and shit...
phpBB has the nice option of finding the prob and getting rid of it >>100
There was, and people did help, but it ended more like Guitar Otoko than Densha. If you look down the thread list, our original "Singles Rant Thread" should still be down there somewhere.
>>102
Oops, make that the Single male rant thread.
well, 2ch people have created an entire world : "customs" , new vocabulary (to an extent), a special atmosphere etc.... we can't compete ^^;
>>105 this is quite true. Maybe it would be better if we quit entirely?
>>106
We're not competing with 2ch.
We're "competing" with western/international boards.
here's a plan: write "under the moon loli to issho" on every bathroom wall, some people will google it and end up on DQN, a few of them might even stay.
>>107
We're not competing at all, why should we be?
We're not competing with any specific board, sure. What we're competing with is the Western mindset of identity versus anonymity.
>>108
Bathroom walls, huh? I wouldn't look up random crap from a bathroom wall.
I have a better idea than that. Let's start a viral market campaign. "Under the moon loli to issho" t-shirts, caps, bumper stickers. Stick random flyers in your local music stores, librarys, and community centers with that phrase on it. Stick it in your local free papers. Print out stickers and stick it on bus stops and signs. Set the homepage of every public computer that you can gain access to to 4-ch.
We will be the future.
Also, we can a variety of fancy slogans like:
Anonymity. Internet. The Future. Now.
Anonymity? On my Internets?
*Join the Internation Hikikomori Elite."
4-freedom. 4-justice. 4-ch.
The scary thing is, that doesn't really sounds like that bad of an idea. Sure, it would take some initial investment, but viral marketing seems to be the "thing" these days. I've thought about advertising 4-ch via local means (paper, etc), but I dunno. Any other input on this sort of idea?
>Any other input on this sort of idea?
using the internet/other forums instead of writing on bathroom walls?
it's sad but you just can't compete with dressing up personalised avartars
>>17
Yes you can, by making an awesome CSS + some graphics and/or animations.
You wont believe how well that works.
>>114
I've actually been scribbling Grandpa and Junior on misc places, for instance in paper guestbooks from time to time this past half year, along with random Grandpa/Junior lines I made up on the spot. Some are sort of lame, others not too horrible.
> 4-emo. 4-fags. 4-ch.
fixed
>>110 I really like the anonymity. I can post stuff that's actually very serious in one thread, and troll another because I think it's retarded, and no one else is able to connect the two together. I don't have a reputation to uphold, and that is completely awesome!
Western culture promotes individual celebrity. I can't speak for everyone, but I think it would be a mostly-fair generalization to say that Americans don't want anonymity as much as they want to avoid responsibility. I.E. teenybop271 can have a personality cult while avoiding Jay & Silent Bob tracking her down and beating the shit out of her.
I really like the "Under the moon loli to issho" idea. Only problem is the first google search result goes to etherchan wiki.
> I think Japanese people are usually reserved, and thus need anonymous message boards
> Western culture promotes individual celebrity.
Nah. Japanese-Anonymous and Western-Ego are the internet trends at the moment, sure, but that isn't a universal truth. The state of things has been shaped by commonly-used software.
I read in the News board that 2-ch is closing down. Is this true? They're saying that it will close down on the 22nd of this month.
Anyway, my question is this. Will this closing down of 2-ch be a good thing for 4-ch?
this board fails because it's full of elitist wapanese faggots
thanks for proving my point, mods
If you want to make it popular, you might try posting links in the 2ch boards that are relevant. Of course the "English" board, and perhaps the "Foreign Life board".
Particularly the North American board as people in there are hilarious with their over-exaggeration of stereotypes. If I wanted to play devil's advocate, there's some gaijin hate going on too (even though many of the people on the board live abroad) so it'd be interesting to see some conflict :)
But then bandwidth may become an issue?
>> 2ch is made popular for news4vip, 4chan by /b/
>> If 4-ch wants to be popular, dqn has to be popular first.
DQN and /b/ are very different boards. The atmosphere of both contrasts greatly, much past the fact that one is an fast-moving imageboard the other is a slower-moving textboard.
Racism, sexism, and blatant flaming may not get you banned on DQN, but it is looked down upon (most of the time) by the userbase. If 4-ch were to use a /b/-like board to gain popularity, do not expect DQN to be that board.
>>129 you're kidding right? Okay, blatant flaming is looked down upon maybe, but Racism/Sexism...I see it all the time and it seems a little encouraged, maybe not to the extent of /b/, but still...
>>125 I heard the ISP that hosts 2ch is being shut down. If you visit the 2ch website, the vase is covered up with something about seized by the court or something. The owner is a little humorous. I'm not sure what will happen to the site itself though - I heard it might be moved to a US host or something.
>>129
>>130
I think that whether or not it's looked down upon, there simply is less racism, sexism, etc. on DQN. This is probably because there are fewer posters who actually are racist/sexist.
4chan's /b/ has gotten worse, at least for me, because it's now populated mostly by unimaginative teenagers. /b/ used to be filled with a lot of sardonic comments and irony that was at least attempting to be clever, even if it often failed. Now it's nothing but forum raids, genuine bigotry, and people whining about their sex lives (real or imagined.) The people who posted the things I liked are mostly gone, or at least overshadowed by a herd of morons. I wouldn't want that kind of popularity for 4-ch.
It's about quality. I'm interested in a board where people explain themselves instead of just calling another poster a fag. Now, before you say I've misunderstood the purpose of /b/, or anonymous forums, or whatever, let me say this. I understand that anonymity allows people to say things they wouldn't otherwise say, and that includes more offensive or stupid comments. That, I can deal with. What I can't deal with is when those comments dominate boards where they don't belong, and cause the more reasonable posters to contribute less or leave. This has caused a massive dumbing-down of many 4chan boards, not just /b/. And since the kiddies assume all imageboards are the same, it's starting to spill over to other sites.
4-ch doesn't currently have a board with the culture of 4chan's /b/, and I like that. If it ever got one, or if DQN turned into one, I would at least hope that DQN behavior stayed on DQN. If it didn't, I'd be tempted to move in with my Auntie and Uncle in Bel-Air.
Congratulations, it is hosted in the US, and has done so for many, many years.
>>132 I heard it might be moved to a US host or something.
it IS hosted in the US.
>>131
As someone who only knew of 4chan for some time before happening upon links to 4-ch and 2chan, a LOT of 4chan's boards are going downhill. The world4ch board culture was better, but it is being eroded by the combination of a complete lack moderation, and worthless posters from /b/ coming to make lame gross-out threads, or endless flamewars about dividing by zero or proving that .9 (repeating) is not equal to 1. Something in 4chan died that day last August, and what remains, though larger and more popular, is not something I want brought here. 4-ch means quality over quantity, and I think that's something a lot of the posters here are more than willing to accept.
Judging by this thread, 4-ch's problem seems to be that there's nothing much to discuss.
>>136
probably has something to do with the fact that the average 4-cher rarely goes outside.
>>139
DQN has already lost it's qulity, and two thirds of it's posters as well. There's nobody left but one demented ex-VIPPER and my cousin winter-kun.
>>140
Oh come on, it still makes me laugh sometimes, admittedly less and less.
Unless they use a proxy. And assuming that the person doesn't convince the incredibly, amazingly, secure PHPBB to spit out the database's login data on the other users. Data which is probably also used elsewhere, knowing people.
Godz I've seen phpbb boards get hijacked hardcore.
Troll are everywhere, so are flamers. Learn to make it not worth their while.
>>dividing by zero
OH SHI--
>>140
I used to post trice a day at DQN, but then I stopped. I don't remember why. Might have to do with the apparent sudden zero-tolerance for new characters, even though I also did post plenty of posts with the established characters.
>>1
it's because http://elitistsuperstructure.net is taking over.
4chan, anyone?
iichan, anyone?
12chan, anyone?
fchan, anyone?
Jackie Chan, anyone?
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What are DQN and /b/?
Tea without biscuits? I think not.
I like this http://elitistsuperstructure.net/ site. If it would sort the board list showing the most active boards first, that would be cool, to just let people make whatever boards they want and see how it turns out. I could see such a thing growing popular.
I think the Japan geeks are scaring away normal people.
>>163
Hey, I keep my shit in Personal Issues, where it belongs.
Because it's become 4chan without the images.
You guys would be happy to know that you've got yourself a new member.
I've been lurking here for a long time (I was looking around here a couple of years ago).
I like it here, people are pretty nice and it's free of the trolls and morons of 4chan.
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Yea, see, things like that.
Really, there are two types of people ruining this site. Trolls from 4chan like >>167, and trolls from 2channel posting shit about Koreans.
No kidding. I don't understand all the hostility towards Koreans. As far as I know, they aren't crazy towards Americans or Japanese. Those pictures were all from a few crazy protests against the Iraqi war, a whole mess of other countries have had those, even America.
There are a lot of crazy anti-Japanese and anti-Koreans on 2ch. We don't need them here.
>>170
lol north korea hates everyone what are you saying
IM SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN NORTH AND SOUTH KOREA, THEY ARE THE SAME DAMN THING, JUST LOOK AT THEIR FACES
i heard koreans were good a GO! from hikaru no go
>>170
The Japanese are hostile towards Koreans because it's the country next to them. Like Britain and France, or America and Canada. And because half the people here want to be Japanese, they copy the 2ch'ers and are hostile to Koreans as well.
So, I think what I'm saying is there should be more Canada/France bashing.