Hi 4-ch, I'm new to these boards. I've been looking for an anonymous text forum like this... I recently read all of Densha Otoko and it gave me hope in finding the right person - as I'm sure it did for many of you! (Yes, I feel like a DORK admitting this, but that story really touched me.)

Ah, I am really hopeless.

My specs?
I am female, Asian, 22, and a V I R G I N. I could stand to lose some weight, but I'm proportionate, and I have...ahem, "assets." Height: 5'2"
Weight: 130lb
Measurements last time I measured: 40-29-30 (i think...)
Style: alternative (like Hong Kong street fashion nerd)

My last boyfriend was in highschool, for a total of two months. The most we ever did was kiss.

Since him I have been primarily interested in girls. But I have never had sex with them, either. I'm too ashamed of my body to get naked in front of another person...and the last girl I liked and who liked me back was two years ago...The most we ever did was kiss and a little groping.

Um. I'm really weird, too. I have had sexual experiences but they're not the normal kind.

I was molested when I was 12, so I'm really afraid of sex with men. No rape, just touching and forced kissing. This isn't a troll post, even though what I say will sound really strange and fetishy, like out of a hentai or something.

I also kind of like domination as a result, because it fucked me up. I hate loli (it makes me want to cry when it's with a guy), but I LOVE shota, because it allows me to fantasize without being too personal to me. (And I like fem/loli)

OTL Sorry, sorry. This is the Romance board, I know.

I guess my point is that I'm a strange-type girl who has a lot of fetishes and a fear of men. I have straight guy friends, but I'm always the one that they think is weird but fun and would never date me. My problem with women is that I like a certain type, and somehow they are never attracted to me. (At least, I don't think...??) I tend to go for girls who are out of my league.

Really, I don't know where to meet people. I have accounts on dating sites but they never go anywhere. Even that isn't good enough for me, though, because I dream of the kind of old school romance where you meet somebody and fall for them...

As a fluke, I met a boy recently, and I like him so much I don't know what to do with myself. I usually never go for boys because the thought of sex with them terrifies/even disgusts me, but he's so my Ideal Type that it's stupid for me not to want him.

He's really out of my league, though. He's really GORGEOUS (blonde, grey eyes, perfect body), he's SMART, and he's funny. I feel like I'm so infatuated with him...ahhh....I'm hopeless. He looks like the kind of boy who could have anybody he wants.

I told him, "I'm weird..."
And he says, "but that makes it interesting..."

Examples of weirdness: I'm really into horror, eroguro, shota, yaoi, hardcore gay porn, strange fetish porn (for lulz), tentacles, and dickgirls, etc.... basically, almost anything except watersports and scat. And I'm into psychology, so I love discussing porn as discourse.

/nerd

I'm so afraid when I tell him how really weird I am he won't like me at all! I made him laugh a couple of times, so he'll want to be my friend, but considering how much I like him that would be M O A R P A I N F U L

(I once confessed love to my male best friend and he said, "I'm sorry, I can't think of you that way." Because we are best friends. But then he got into a relationship with my OTHER best friend, because she asked him to fuck her. They started fucking and he developed feelings for her, and they are still together now, 3 years later.)

aahhh I lost track of where I was going with this post. I'm really sorry.

tl;dr I'm a fetishy Asian girl with a hardcore crush on a really beautiful boy who is TOTALLY out of my league. I'm scared of sex with him and I don't know how to make boys like me. I'm an old-school romantic and I know this is hopeless.

thoughts?

You're not much worse off than most of the people on 4-ch, really. You mentioned that you're on a few dating sites, but here's a few more to try:

OkCupid, JustSayHi, PlentyofFish, Mogenic (to find women), and Anonidate. Anonidate would probably be your best bet.

You're basically the dream girl for most guys/girls on this board, and I personally am sighing and shaking my head at your lack of self-confidence. Your fetishes and interests aren't anything weird to us, and even I share most of them.

I can say from experience that it is much more difficult for a her. It's a hundred times easier to find a man who accepts you. I'm not saying that it's impossible, but just that it's unlikely.

It's an odd question, but have you watched Maria-sama ga Miteru? The show has a "soeur" system, in which an older girl takes a younger girl under her wing and treats her as a sister, usually resulting in a bond on the edge of romance. That kind of bond might be what you're looking for, as you have the dedication to another person without worrying about sex. There's various Livejournals / forums dedicated to helping women find their soeurs, although this person will likely be on the other side of the planet. If it's something you're interested in, I suggest watching the show and then signing up for an LJ group/forum.

Also, welcome to 4-ch. Will you marry me?

>>2 here. I just noticed that you were asking for advice specifically on that boy.

"Pretty Boys" are almost always a waste of time. They spend so much time making themselves look good that they simply hop from the cutest girl to the cutest girl. I'd suggest straying from such a boy.

>>2

haha, I'm on OKCupid. Not to say who as, but I get Quickmatch selected quite a bit and....several views per week. I mean, I don't think I'm ugly, but I know I'm "weird."

I'm so addicted to 4-ch romance board now! The culture is entirely different from *chans and I love reading about romance...I'm a hopeless romantic at heart.

Sorry, I know I rambled in that post. I guess I'm too excited to be here.

And that's what I'm afraid of, with him. I'm rarely ever attracted to men but he's my Ideal Type so much that it's terrifying. Ahh...I like him so much...

CALM DOWN, SELF.

I've heard of Maria-sama! I think one of my problems is that in lesbian relationships girls always expect me to be UBERSEME, because I like to talk in a guyish way, and I enjoy it, but sometimes I want to be taken care of...my true fantasy is to be dominated by a girl (is this too explicit for Romance board? XD) Also, I'm older.

And no one ever believes I'm the big V.

I'm a really devoted person. My last gf was really beautiful, TOTALLY out of my league (even though we never got anywhere beyond kissing). It was a long-distance relationship and there was a lot of drama involved. Since her I have tried dating but I have been unable to be attracted to anyone else...(she also dicked me around and said things like "I'm still in love with you" when she dated guys after me...)

I think I sound like a really shallow person, but it's more like I have an unrealistic ideal of romance...like, I want to find someone I'm really attracted to and devote myself to them 100%. Since I'm a virgin, it's very very important who that person is.

Is he a nice guy?
How well do you know him?

He seems nice! I don't know, I just met him; I haven't even known him a week.

if I say where, it may give too much information away, because it was a pretty specific event.

I know we have similar interests, but I also know he's an asshole. Let's just say he's familiar with /b/...

I want to be dramatic and say I feel like it's a lightning-strike kind of infatuation. It's not that he's just attractive, it's that he's so SMART, and just listening to him speak intellectually made my heart pound.

OP go kill yourself in fire

>>7 lol, you're so original.

If I want your opinion I'll take my dick out of your mouth.

You shouldn't get too excited if you haven't known him very long.
He might be gay, y'know.

>>8

it's a tarp

>>9

THIS.

Not gay, though. First thing I checked was Facebook when we facebook friended (lulz, I know). Single, into girls.

That's why I came here, to see how straight guys might feel about this. (I feel my own friends are biased, and they do not all know my history so well...)

Updates as they happen.

>>1 I don't want to offend you, but when i read your story i picture one of the MALE 4-chan'ers in his underwear typing his ideal woman. Seriously, you are a girl?:-o

Whatever, just ask the damn guy out. YES, ask him out. Be open, try it...show him who you really are, and if that doesn't work..well life sucks. Get up and try it again on the next one. Densha otoko romance is bullshit. The fucking nerd was lucky beyond god lucky, you are not(neither are the rest of humanity).

>>12 here. Disregard that, I suck cocks.

>>4,

I have the same problem in relationships with women. I'm big-boned and muscular, and act kind of masculine, but I'm the submissive one in my personality. The only women who become attracted to me are the shy little submissive types. ._.; It's a pretty hopeless situation. I hope you have better luck.

Also, I don't think you have an unrealistic idea of romance. It's simply that you probably won't be content in a relationship for quite a while, until you find "The One". Keep searching, though! The worst thing you can do is settle for less than your ideal.

>>12

-laughs- yes, I'm a girl. I know, tits or GTFO, but I can provide evidence. I guess I just don't think I'm that attractive. I'm not the stereotypical Asian girl that most *channers fantasize about, I'm sure. I don't look like Ayumi Hamasaki or a Momusu member, (or kipi if you like cosplay), I have no ass, currently thunderthighs, I'm squishy, (but I do have b00berZ).

Yes, weight is my issue, and yes, I plan to do something about it.

Anyway, solid advice! I'll update the thread if it goes anywhere.

>>13 fuck, now I'm confused.

Actually, here's a serious question for guys: does it turn you off when girls confess their feelings? I know I saw another thread on this, but here's my personal experience: I've only done it once, to my best friend whom I thought liked me back, and it ended in epic phail. My friend has done it THREE times (although I was sure none of the guys were into her) and failed even more epically.

The theory seems to be, if the guy is into you, then he will pursue you, as society dictates, right? Or he will go out with you if you tell him you like him, because if he's your friend he's at least attracted on some level?

tl;dr who believes in ladder theory?

>>16

Confessions are bad for either sex. You should try to let relationships develop naturally. There's no need to confess your feelings if you show them through your actions. If you confess, you'll look foolish at best, romantically inept at worst.

Rather than confess, I would recommend being flirtatious, keeping your attention on the person whenever possible, going out of your way to help them without being too obvious or generous, and, if you just want to go in for the kill, ask to spend some time one-on-one with them.

>>16

>>13
is probably a troll, look at the codes.

As for your post, I wouldn't recommend confessing since just like you, when I tried it I got splattered all over the landscape. If anything, ask him out on a date or something like that. Personally, I would be thrilled if a nice girl asked me out. It's not likely to happen due to society's silly 'rules', but I can dream, right?

>>13 Eeuhm that is not me:s.>>18 is right, he's a troll. Btw i never said confess..i said take ask him out, show your true self in the process,etc etc. Goodluck!

Don't worry OP, I wouldn't fuck you either.

LOL THUNDERTHIGHS

The Internet is a series of tubes and there are NO GIRLS in it. none. OP is a LIER!!!!!!1

>>18 >>13

I know, I was joking.

>>20

cool, so I can fuck you?

>>21

LOL yeah. like a dinosaur, man.

Thanks for all your kind-and-helpful advice, everyone! And for the not so helpful advice, I know you're all just lining up to eat my asspussy.

UPDATE:

Me: "...Can I be sketchay and ask you to dinner?"
HIM: "haha, sketchay?"
Me: "Yes."
Him: "Of course! :D"
Me: (internally) SCORE
HIM: "I'm new to the area, so I'll say yes to anything!"
Me: "Oh, of course, haha!"
(internally) -shot and bleeding on the floor-

Dunno about confession really, but if you're going to try it do it alone with him and don't make him uncomfortable.

I have turned down a girl (quite abruptly, I may add) who asked me out in front of some friends (and my own sister, duh); after reflexion, in another situation I might have given her a chance. Or at least I would've been more gentle.

Also, everyone, please remember this in not your fourchonz. Let's try to stay civil.

By the way, OP, care if I ask where country you're from?

>>25

Thanks! I can take fourchonz speak, though. (clearly, haha) But I'd hate to shit all over my own thread :[

I'm Chinese, not the much prized ~Nipponese~, but I speak fluent Cantonese. My mother is from HK and my dad is from the Mainland.

People mistake me for Korean a lot, though. And any weeaboo who doesn't know thinks I'm JPN due to clothing style.

Who's this guy?

>>26
Oh, okay. Close call then :p

>>24
Ouch ;o; Well, he did say yes at least. Hopefully the night goes well, try to see if he went just to see new places or if he's genuinely interested. Hopefully the latter!

Also to all the sagers, Chinese girls are cute, too. I've known quite a few...they all had boyfriends though, feh. The ones I knew were incredibly loyal though, that's for sure.

>>28

why, do you know a girl of my description? XD

....are you HIM?

>>27
Hopefully, this guy is not >>28, and does not know I am asking for advice about him on an anonymous text forum.

>>30
Yes, and no!

Don't start being paranoid around him because of me ^^:

Haha. Damn, OP, you're exactly the sort of girl I wish I knew more of.

(BTW, I'm a girl with a severe lack of female friends. D:)

Best plot twist would be is that we're both reading this board, and he REVEALS at the end, haha.

Will update on dinner after it happens.

>>32 I'd love to be friends! Um. Only we cannot reveal the identity...haha. And I don't particularly want to be found out... >_<

UPDATE ON ROMANCE FRONT:

have not gone to dinner yet (set for tomorrow night omg omg) but I essentially had to break up with my ex-gf all over again, because we've been kind of on and off these past two years, even though we only dated for two months.

I dated her six months after she broke up with my friend. I cleared this with my friend first, and she said it was okay. (Protip: never listen to a woman when she says, "everything is fine") I C H A S E her and she confesses that she likes me. We get together, my friend (her ex) gets jealous, starts to C H A S E again, eventually, the girl leaves me for her ex (my friend).

They have a horrible breakup four months later? Maybe six? Either way, my ex - I'm gonna call her Loli cause she was 16 at the time - comes crying to me. I comfort. And from there we have a tumultuous two years of confused feelings and territorialness.

She would get jealous and possessive of people I saw (even casually), even though she actually had a boyfriend since me. She would tell my friends things like, "I'm still in love with Crusher" and tell me "you're my most important person" and "you're the best thing that's ever happened to me" even though she also "loved" these two other boys.

It killed me.

(The reason we never got back together is that it was a long-distance relationship and I never want to do that ever again.)

One of the reasons I'm so excited about this new boy is that I haven't been able to be this attracted to anyone since her (guys AND girls). But when she found out, it really tore her up, and my timing was shitty, she just lost a family member.

I finally broke it off with her of course, for good, but ahhh I feel like shit. OTL

It was even worse than the first breakup. It hurts...but it feels good to move on...

tl;dr lol lesbian drama

for some reason i find it very disturbing how this thread is always bumped to the top in romance board

also OP needs to stop whining and baawwing (especially if you are not attractive looking with thunderthighs), no wonder people are not attracted to you

I felt bad for OP at first, but at this point she's just bitching. This thread should be titled "The life you wish you had, as told by an overenthusiastic Asian woman".

Your life is a hundred times better than most of the people on here, OP. Stop complaining about it.

>>36
hmm. Perhaps you are right. I am doubting myself too much. From now on, no updating this thread unless I really don't know what to do/something truly terrible happens.

I still like this board, but I'll restrain myself to anon-posting to see if I can help out others with some advice of my own.

Thank you, Anon.

>>37
You can update if things go well too, let us at least know how the date goes!
Remember you can always sage your own post if you don't want to bump the thread to the top.

screw all those haters. I wanna know how the date went. grabs bag of popcorn

screw all those haters. I wanna know how the date went. grabs bag of popcorn

I just know that there's something really messed up with this world... No offense, but the last thing I would want (as a guy) is a girl who just dumped another girl...

Please stop making threads relating to Densha Otoko.

There it is, written at the top of the page, very official.

hi...haven't posted in this section in a long time (Romance section)...

>>41, you're right. Not only is it messed up to date someone who broke up with her ex, but also break up with an ex that's a girl!! I'm ok with the bi/homosexual environments that exist in this world...but i don't want that to go around in my own life.

Anyways, you sound like a really nice woman, Crusher (can we give you a better name too?). I admire how you like to take certain things positive and at least try to make it happen. To me, you're the female Chinese version of Densha Otoko...and apparently you are giving hope to some of these people who read this thread. Unfortunately, I'm like >>39-40 here...WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE DATE?!!!

One thing is certain: you can either be a Densha and try acting "fake" for a while (Guy [amazed]: Wow! I didn't know you were this kind of woman) or just be yourself...but slowly show your true feelings. If you're aiming for the latter, just try to have one-on-one activities and share some personal stuff about yourself (NOT TOO MUCH HOWEVER). Eventually, he'll start listening to you more deeper and probably become very interested in you.

I spent too much time thinking and typing. Just do your best!! At least here...you got friends by your side (even if you can't see us).

>>37
No anons around here. Only a bunch of Secret Admirers ;)

>>41, >>43
I can understand teh feeling...years of being only interested in girls and then a guy comes along makes all the girls angry at you, too, like you "betrayed" their community. I admit, I used to hate those girls most, too. And now I'm one of them...

No matter what, I think if you're "bi," people don't like you either way lol.

I only believe in being devoted to one person, though.

>>42
Not REALLY related? Yeah, sorry for the reference. If I ever start a thread again, I'll leave it out.

>>43 I wouldn't mind a better name! I think Secret Admirer is right, I have been too lacking in confidence when I'm already better off than many people. It's just every time I have really liked a person, it has ended in disaster. -laughs- (Two times, people: one boy and one girl. The boy rejected my confession, and the girl, well...no more talking about her.)

I'll try and stop being so enthusiastic.

Everybody says be yourself, I agree this is most important...I guess it's just trouble when you think a person might be The One.

...trying to sage my own thread, hope it works...

/lol nub

To all others beside Crusher: WE NEED TO GIVE THIS GIRL A SOMEWHAT CUTE NAME. Any ideas? I have one: Hidden Mandarin (idk...just thought "Chinese" and "Anonymous"

@Crusher (temp name): have you ever heard of the term "trial and error?" Each new date or confession is a new trial. If it doesn't work, you try looking at yourself what is the problem and improve on it. Sure, people are different, but only YOU can sustain or improve the image of yourself. Eventually, you'll find someone you'll be able to go out with, and if possible, someone you'll spend the rest of your life with.

No offense, but I really think "Thundertights" made lol more than one of us. What about that?

You guys, I was lolling and about to suggest that myself...just as a joking on myself, of course.

!! I am getting dressed for the "date." Argh. What to wear what to wear.

Question: Do nerdish guys think lolita clothes are cute, or just too frilly/only worn by bitches? ??

p.s. Am also considering "Thunderlizard"

ITT Complete Fabrication.

lol, I can post pics if you don't believe me.

>>48
I personally think lolita outfits are hotness, but I don't know what this guy likes. Your best bet is to probably dress casual and just gauge his interest for now. Of course if you WANT to dress up lolita style, go for it! If he doesn't like it, his loss. If he likes you, I don't think it'll matter what you wear, honestly.

>>51
Yeah, that's about it. Lolita = hotness, but he might be scared by high displays of sexiness so soon, I don't know.

I'd vote for casual for this one. Get to know him more.

1st date. Go with casual. Maybe he aint into it.

@Thunder-chan...if you're thinking Lolita...THINK AGAIN!! Just be casual...try not to stand out and just try to dress casual. Like what >>51 said, that the best bet...but also, to make a first impression, just don't try the Lolita style. Maybe...during the date...ask him if he minds you wearing something like that...

Hi guys, I just got home. Hm, not too sure to say if this went well or not...I dressed casually (well, my style, but casually) as per everyone's advice. I think it was good advice, thanks guys! :D

I also took some pics while I was in my loli outfit (that I wore today) so that you'll all know that I exist and I'm not just some 4-channer's fantasy. I suppose I'll update the thread with those later. (They don't show my face, of course, haha.)

I seem to make really long posts, sorry. OTL

So...I took him to a sushi restaurant, because I love sushi - I mean, really. It's a surprise I don't have mercury poisoning. He's from down South and so he admitted to not having had much sushi, but it was right near his apartment, and he said he was really into trying new things. He let me order whatever I liked, and he said, "I'm sure I'll like it."

Oh! When we were walking to dinner, he brought up that he was once seeing a girl in the area - once implying not anymore, and facebook says he's single, but I was so jealous! You don't bring up other girls to someone you might like, do you? At this point I thought maybe I was the fun weird girl again. I made him laugh, some...so at least he would like me as a friend...but, seeing as how horribly attracted I am to him, I feel like that would be pretty painful. (Like all you friendzoned guys out there)

We talked, a lot. Conversation was surprisingly easy, but he also is the type to talk to complete strangers (so am I). This is a bad gauge for liking people.

Also, like someone here pointed out, I'm overenthusiastic.

Him: I love spicy food.
Me: Oh my god, I love spicy food, too!!!
Him: (clearly making fun of me) we have everything in common. -smirk-
Me: ...hahaha... ._.

I also mentioned how I used to be really shy in high school, and I had no friends, and one day I just decided that I was sick of it and I made myself become outgoing.
Him: ...that's funny, me too.

(Which gives me HOPE.)

And then later, he repeated, "That's so funny, that you were like that, too..."

Um, so he's really cool. And really good-looking. And really, really smart. All of these factors combined = 2 1337 4 m3.

but...I think, with you guys' support, I'm going to try and go for it anyway. I mean, worst case scenario I get rejected, right? Like >>46 said.

Also, he really really wanted to get drunk with me, but I have school tomorrow so I turned him down. Hopefully, this means I have an excuse to see him again...

Oh! One part of conversation bothered me, though. He jokingly called someone my girlfriend:
Me: Oh! Don't worry, I don't have a girlfriend! In fact, I'm very, very single. (hint, hint. I mentioned seeing a boy before, once, so that he knows I like boys, too)
HIM: I think everyone in college is very, very single.
Me: Oh?
Him: Yeah, I don't think you can date in college...
Me: Oh...
(internally: Crusher is CRUSHED.) <---sorry, had to use that nickname one last time.

But maybe I can convince him? I really want to WIN him, you guys. I'm really infatuated with him, even though my chance is slim.

That's it for tonight.

--THUNDER OUT

>>55
From his comments sounds like he's not too interested, or he hasn't realized your intentions. It sounds like he had a good time though, at least, which is good. I would avoid getting drunk, that could cause problems...a drink or two would probably be OK if you need courage, but I wouldn't get drunk so you lose control, ESPECIALLY around a guy you're interested in!
Possible suggestion - When you see him tomorrow, try bringing up that you really enjoyed his company and would love to go out on a date again sometime, maybe even suggest a time/place. If you mention the word 'date' it pretty much confesses your interest/intentions without being 'OMG I R LOVES J00!!'. If he doesn't react positively to that you can at least save face by changing it to 'go out as friends'.
The situation sounds like borderline friendzone though, so probably best to make your intentions known before it's too late. I could be wrong though, I've never had a relationship myself [lol friendzone'd MANY times] so take my advice with a grain of salt.
Good luck, and keep us updated!!

I think this guy has something for you. If he's 'shy' like you, maybe he didnt know how to show interest. Thats why he really wanted to drink with you, because alcohol makes you lose your inhibitions. Or he wanted to get u wasted and get in your drunken pants.

Either way dont give up!

OP get a trip code. Fake or not, this thread is quite good for killing time. I think we need a resident ASCII artist here.

Seems like a good date eh?

>>55
He seems like opening up to you which normally indicates that he is interested. Good job at keeping him talking and not having those weird pauses(if you didn't have em). One question: How was he responding to your questions? I mean what did he sounded like. Did he spoke softly like when he said "Yeah, i don't think you can date in college..."?(or for the other answers that he gave for that matter)

How dare you say your chances are slim! Going out with him is the first of many milestones. Don't give up! Chui koi!("chase him" in cantonese)

Okay, so. Here are PICS to prove I exist.

http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bigpiccy010copyca4.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bigpiccy011rq2.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bigpiccy012copyhh6.jpg

so, you see, a girl like me (who likes internet, and is into weird things) exists. And thanks to this BBS, I now know that there are many guys out there who would like a weird girl like me! I hope we've all given each other hope and, if this guy doesn't work out, maybe I'll be giving you guys a call. LOL. (´-`)

I got a tripcode. I have different ID's all over this thread because I post from school's wireless, which has different IP's all over campus.

>>56 I found wanting to get drunk encouraging, kind of. Like, do guys get drunk so that they can make a move? I know when I'm drunk, I'm super-affectionate. When I was chasing my best friend I really wanted to get drunk with him so I could be lovey and have an excuse the next day. (It worked, like, I did lovey things, but in the end, he still said, 'I'm sorry, I don't see you that way.' -_-")

>>57 I'm also kind of afraid that he just wants to use me for sex. As you can see from the pics, I'm on the chubby side but not too overweight, and the kind that a guy probably could just sexxx0r without thinking about. I'm a virgin, though, so LOL, not gonna happen.

@Superman - lol, now I'm imagining Superman going "gah yau, gah yau!" (add gas) while pumping his fist in the air for me. That is really encouraging! (￣ｰ￣)

No weird pauses. I got nervous, though, like, trying to eat and talk at the same time. I was so nervous I wasn't even very hungry and we had a lot of sushi left over. I asked him if he wanted any more, and he said, "No, it's all yours!"
Me: Oh, hahaha...maybe I will have a little more.
Him: (fake serious look) Of course I'm judging you by how much you eat.
Me:......... -eats one more piece, puts chopsticks down-

Most of the time he said things in a very matter-of-fact tone. (Like, this is my opinion, but it might as well be fact.) Usually I can kind of tell when guys are flirting (?? maybe?) but I could not read him at all. I think I'm probably blinded by how much I like him.

Mostly I think his tone was cynical...

Oh! I don't go to school with him, but we discussed maybe doing something this weekend. I'll probably call him or text him in a day or two.

This is getting long, huh. Sorry, guys.

Oh, >>56, I'm too afraid that using the word "date" straightaway will scare him off (Worst case scenario: This weird girl likes me, she might be a creepy stalker! -runs away-) We don't go to school together, but it's not much hassle for me to go out to his area. In fact, we kept on saying how easy it would be for us to hang out and he emphasised that he would be in the area for summer.

ok, question time: What makes a date a date? One of my guy friends says that any time a guy goes out to spent time with a girl one-on-one, without a previously established friendship, it's a date. I always thought that if the boy paid for you, it's a date, or if he at least offered to pay.

He didn't offer. We split the bill. But I don't like guys paying for me, anyway, it makes me uncomfortable...

Also, is friendzone possible for girls? (I know I have experienced it, but) I've been reading on this board that a guy wouldn't be friends with a girl he wasn't at least somewhat attracted to...is this true?

I would say that using the word date won't scare him off, as while it does show your intent some, there's still the fact that going on a date doesn't actually mean anything binding, really. I'd say that you're fairly safe on being not considered a creepy stalker.

That said, I personally think that the friendzone is possible, but not really all that likely, for girls. There are a few girls I know who I would never consider dating that I hang out with, but for the most part, I do tend to meet my female friends because I was attracted to them in the first place.

P.S.- You're totally awesome for what thread you were reading during those pictures :P

well, we are all rooting for you, Yoshiya. -smiles- just remember to come back and tell us how it went, eh?

>Okay, so. Here are PICS to prove I exist.

（　°∀°）

>do guys get drunk so that they can make a move?

YES. Definately yes.

Which is a terrible thing because if anything happens, you'll wonder if it was alcohol speaking or not. But this can also be used as a lame excuse if anything went wrong. Oh double-edged sword.

>I think I'm probably blinded by how much I like him.

That's probable. He might also be the kind of guy that's hard to read. Some people are like that. I know I am. And that I'm inexorably attracted to girls that are the same. Of course this leads to many awkward situations. Like dropping hints like madness (a thing I usually don't do) and being persuaded that everyone around me got where I was going, but in the end NO ONE suspected anything. "You hide your game well", told me one friend. Which really was the one who should have realized it first. Of course even the girlie didn't get it. Duh.

>Also, is friendzone possible for girls?

Yes it's possible. But not for the majority.

>What makes a date a date?

Depends on people and culture, I guess. For me, it's when a girl and a boy spend time together one-on-one, and that at the end of it things between them go "level up!" (that doesn't imply anything sexual or even a kiss - just that the relation between them both closes up a bit).

----

That's it for the answers. Now, as I see it: he likes you. He likes hanging around you, and if you're really "weird" like you say, you might be some kind of "rare species". Rare + liked = prizable, if you see what I mean. Now just you try and grow on him!

The idea is not suffocating him by being always around (this is one of the things that makes guys run away), but still somehow pressuring him. Think fishing, it's the same process. Pull too hard and you break the line; leave too much room and it slips away.

Find a way, however you propose it, to get another date. You have to get it soon, but not too close to the first (ie, as soon as possible decide on a "date" next week or so). And each time you have this kind of one-on-one situation, your objective is that at the end he likes you "a bit more", to the point (let's hope it happens) things get flirtarious and such.

He seems a cool guy. Best luck to you Thunder-chan!

>>60
Hihi, #56 here.
First off, love the pics. Lolita still = hotness, and it fits you well. Also,

>I'm a virgin, though, so LOL, not gonna happen.

You win so much for this. I'd totally give you my # if it doesn't work out.
Anyway!~
I only recommend against getting drunk because as you mentioned you were worried he might just want to use you for sex (which also makes me a bit concerned that he might not be a good guy to pursue if he makes you feel that way). #64 also mentioned another reason why alcohol isn't so good for confessions. If you have a good amount of self control tho like it sounds you do, then go for it if you think it'd help--just be careful!! ;o;

As for mentioning the term 'date', I've heard from friends that unless you specifically say the word date, it's not. That seems to be my experience as well, as I've gone out with female friends in completely platonic situations many times. This also answers your friendzone question...a lot of my friends back home (I'm in college, master's degree in game design, etc.) are girls, they have boyfriends but we're still really good friends. One of my female coworkers I used to frequently go to lunch with, and it was all friends-only. Same with my former roommate who was a girl, she was taken and I never thought of her as more than anything but a close friend.
Overall, if he likes you, mentioning the word 'date' will not scare him off, but he'll be totally in to the idea. If he's not in to you, then it might scare him off, but if he wasn't in to you to begin with, then.. D: [Not offering to pay isn't a good sign, IMHO. ]
Bottom line: It's really a judgment call on your part. We don't really know what he's thinking [If only it were that easy, right?], so I imagine you have two choices- either go for the straight out asking for a date/getting drunk and confessing, or just stay friends and slowly try to win him over (well, or doing nothing, but that's no good!) As a guy, the latter seems to typically fail, but if you get a good feeling about making progress, feel free to give it a try. Either way, we're all rooting for your success!

Thunder, I hate you because I want you.

In a fire with you.

Burn.

off topic; this topic breathes some nice life in 4-ch. Continue!

>[Not offering to pay isn't a good sign, IMHO. ]

Don't know. I know for some first "dates" which I wanted to come as casual and not "too strong", I didn't propose to pay (or just acted like it was a mutual agreement to share without even lifting the case) - either because I shyed out or because I, well, wanted to take my time.

-laughs- you guys are all confusing me now. I've been trying to think about ways to ask "do you want to go out on a date with me" but I can bet you all right now, it's going to sound like, "wannagodawime" aufjfjlfdfkk;

Hmm...we're supposed to hang out this weekend (no specifics set), and maybe I'll muster up the courage to say that word, "date," but. erm. don't want him to be scared away. (Some guys are afraid of commitment!)

Our hangout this weekend supposedly includes one of my best best friends. (He's a guy, but he's obviously gay.) I feel like Hermes...bringing a friend along to see how he measures up. (Okay, no more densha ref, but my friends are very important to me!) He didn't suggest that I bring the friend, I did...am I shooting myself in the foot?

I have more to say on date vs. not but I write too much, already. Thank you everybody for your input, trust me, I am listening!

>>66, one word for you: HAWT.

@Thunder-chan: Do you have a closet-full of Lolita clothes?

In a way, I think that is cool because it shows your interest in whatever style you're in...but I also think it is creepy because it tells me THAT'S what you only wear (but I guess that's just a common opinion to most people).

Anyways, back to the thread. I can tell you first hand that when I was "dating" (and I mention this because we weren't really close at the time), we kept splitting the bill every time we went out. Before I continue, I can tell you that I'm from the upper-middle class (I'm not ashamed because that's where I come from) and my girlfriend is from the rural class (basically...poor). Even after we began going out, she still demanded me to split the bill. She tells me later that it's not because we're not lovers, but more likely she puts it as "WE'RE NOT MARRIED, STUPID!!" Eventually, she let me pay for most of our dates because I showed my dedication to her.

I'll clarify more...but I have to let my roommate in the dorm...brb.

sorry about that folks.

What I was trying to say is that "splitting the bill" might not always be a sign of unaffectionate attention. Sometimes, the guy might not have enough cash, so therefore he requests you pitch in...other times...he can just be a dick and not realize that he should treat the girl.

Regardless of the reason, the main focus should of been whether his tone of voice was calm and social, or you think he's putting a face. As I read your post, I basically remembered the times when I told my girlfriend "you can have the rest" (even though I was still hungry and she was weight-conscious) and I got a slap in the face. I'm not surprised though that you didn't do it this time...but if it repeats again...you think you'll retaliate?

Quite honestly though, I think it should be fine that you are worried to say the word "date." In most cases, it's the guy who should say it because us guys are supposed to take the lead. However, since you initially stated that you like to take an aggressive approach, this could be an exception (just don't force it on his face!). I believe you like to hang out with him, and that's good. My question is: do you like to hang out with him some much that sometimes you feel you only want to hang out with him, and block your friends out for that moment?

Good luck on the hangout though. Remember, you and that guy are just friends still at this point. Until either you or that guy musters the courage to say "can we go out," just imagine that you like to hang out with this guy more than anyone else.

As for >>65, STFU! We're supposed to help Thunder-chan out, not reassuring her of losing her virginity if this doesn't succeed.

Yo Thunder-chan...you're a great girl; don't forget that.

@soccerfuu9

Haha, I think a closet of only lolita is pretty creepy, too, because sometimes it's inappropriate wear, and those dresses are expensive, y0! I used to be REALLY goth, so my closet has a lot of black...I also used to wear a lot of really punk clothing (zippers, chains)...but I've mellowed out since then. Nowadays I'm still "stylish" but I like fashions that are more mainstream-appropriate. I like a lot of skirts, though...and tights/stockings...I kind of hate pants...

I didn't retaliate meanly, I just sort of laughed it off. I'm self-conscious because I'm a little on the chubby side, (NOT fat, don't worry, I'm not crazy) and he seems to have a really perfect body. Maybe next time I'll joke and try to feed him...(but that is a BIG forward move!)

I would like it if he asked me out, that would make things a lot easier! (´~`) If he doesn't, well...we'll see where this goes, I'll try to be myself and gauge his interest.

...of course I want to hang out with only him...I think I sort of panicked when I invited my friend along...(plus, he really wants to meet him...)

ah, time for this face: ＿|￣|○

@Thunder-chan: "plus, he really wants to meet him..."

I hope he ain't gay...

Anyways, for now, I guess hanging out with him like normal people is a fresh start, Thunder-chan. You have to let him know that you are a friendly person to hang out with and that you are free to let him talk about whatever and vice versa. Joking around and trying to feed him isn't a "dating" move in my book...it's just for fun. It's only a "dating" move if you start calling him "honey" or some random shit.

Where do you buy your clothes in HK? High-end department stores?

Oh...and for future posts, maybe you should post pics of yourself in other clothing (though I'm pretty sure some of the Lolita fans here will bang their heads).

Have fun with it Thunder-chan...you're doing fine. And don't make that face!! Be :)

what's wrong with this thread? How come I can't see all the postings?

>>137
Some idiot found an exploit late last night that made threads show no content, and spammed it pretty much everywhere. Some thread pruning probably had to occur as a result, I imagine. I notice some threads that were here last night no longer exist, as well.

>>138

That's pretty depressing!

This is why we can't have nice things ;[

Ah, well, at least this entire thread didn't disappear...unlike a lot of other people's threads...

YAY!!! At least Thunder-chan is still here to keep me company

Hey guys. I'm feeling kinda down. It's Friday and it's almost 9 o'clock.

Boy said his finals ended today, and for me to call him. He made me promise to call him (it's kinda weird, isn't it? Isn't the boy supposed to make the calls? Oh, well...) and he said we'd do something. I called a couple of hours ago, and he didn't pick up. I left a message: "Hey, just wanted to see if you were free tonight and maybe wanted to do something. If you've already got plans, that's cool."

He hasn't called me back, and I'm probably worrying for no reason. We didn't say that we'd do something on Friday, but he's leaving for a trip on Sunday, and it'd be nice if he called to make plans for tomorrow...I don't even care if he has plans, it'd just be nice to know what's going on.

I don't want to call again, because I don't want to be too clingy/scare him away.

Even though I have work to do, I was looking forward to going out tonight. I dressed up for him and everything...

Oh, well. Time to do my work, I guess.

if you're thinking of pulling out the "stood-up" button...don't fret yet. I suppose he has a particular reason why he hasn't called you back. However, when he does...just ask him simply "how was your day?" going into inquisition mode just will make things worse

I'm just a 15 year old boy, but I know that Thunder-chan is a good person and that's what matters most!

WE LOVE YOU THUNDER-CHAN!!

Hey guys. I love you too, heh.

He texted me last night and said he was sleeping and so he missed my call, but when I texted him back asking if he wanted to do something, I didn't get a reply. I texted him once more and called him with no response, so I figured he went back to sleep and so I left a message that just said, "Call me, okay?"

He didn't call me as of yet today, it's 4 in the afternoon, he's going away tomorrow. Even though I know the ball's in his court, I really wanna see him, so I just called him. He didn't pick up. I didn't leave a message this time.

I am trying very very hard not to call him again, because I remember he said he hates clingy girls. I might have to delete his number from my phone or something to remove the temptation :[

...I guess it's back to the old drawing board, huh...

>>145
Aww, feh...sorry to hear it's not going so well ;_; He doesn't know what he's missing out on. Hopefully you'll hear from him before the day ends, at least, but still, bleh. What a meanie, leaving a nice girl like you waiting. Well, we know how awesome you are, even if he doesn't [yet!]
For now just try to distract yourself with other stuff, post here, play some games, anything to keep your mind occupied. It's hard, I know, I've been there before when I had huge crushes on girls.

To offer a different opinion than the majority: You sound like an annoying bitch who tries to dress interesting and act bubbly and "unique" to make up for the hideous black whole of nothing that is your personality.

js

>>147 and you like skinny-ass bitches who starve themselves to death and say "I look pretty like a celebrity"...screw u

anyways...Thunder-chan...it's about timing at this point of the game. I'm not quite sure myself what the deal is why he isn't responding...but "clinging" is a very possible issue. Still, you can't blame him for being busy and such. Don't delete his number though...you might hear from him again soon.

However...

This might be a good move for you...the next time you go on a date with him. How I put it...if you talk with him and tell him "you know I've been trying to get a hold of you"...I bet he will get annoyed at first. However, if you also tell him "i'm not trying to annoy you...you are my closest friend, and I really care (or "like" if you REALLY want to make a move) for you," then he might see some reasoning into why you want to hang out with him so much. Regardless...it's up to you whether to push the "clinging" button or not.

Hope he will go back to you soon...

>>147

hahaha, I know I have a personality. I can see why it might be tempting to stereotype me, though. Thanks for your thoughts, venomous anonymous!

Soccerfuu, I'm trying to keep my cool. I'm sure it's nothing and I'm overly worrying.

Still, it would be nice to send him a card that says, "Do you like me? Circle one...Yes/No/maybe."

^^^oops, that was me.^^^^

I think I'm also paranoid because I've never liked someone so much before. And because I feel like I've had experience with things that look like they'll go somewhere and then fail spectacularly.

while Thunder-chan's love adventure is on hold...anyone else trying out love via Thunder-chan's experience?

well i think it's getting more exiciting with this love story
@thunder-chan
i think deleting his no. is not the right idea who knows maybe he will contact you again. have more patience peace ^ ^\/

Sorry Thunder, but I think you did get a bit clingy. Play it cool and get your mind on something else like anime, or extreme water polo.

Theres nothing worse then being completely infatuated and then getting a bullet to the heart. I know I've felt it; and I bet there are others who have too.

So just play it cool madam.

do you draw or read frequently Thunder-chan?

I do, Soccerfuu! In fact, I just finished my portfolio today.

>>153, yeah, that was what I was afraid of. TRYING VERY HARD TO PLAY IT COOL. ( ˃ - ˂) I'll wait for him to call/text when he feels like it.

I don't really watch anime, though...tell me more about this extreme water polo of which you speak.

Sorry, that was me again.

let's see some of your artwork, Thunder-chan...it must look really sweet.

as 4 just playing it cool...just keep drawing or do something else. Maybe make something for him when he gets back...

Interesting thread ^^
Anyways goodlucks to all Thunder, Soccerfuu9, and all the 4-ch people in romance.
I am rooting for you all. -Kira

haha, maybe I'll post some artwork later.

Wouldn't making something for him be too much...? If I don't want to come off as crazy and clingy...

NEwayZ I have an update. So...I didn't touch the phone for days after the last call, and you know what? It worked, guys. He texted me this morning asking me what I was doing...I asked him, aren't you away already? And he responded, "Nah, I decided to stay one more day."

Me: (internally) GREAT SUCCESS!!

We made plans to do lunch. It was kinda awkward when we met up, like every time I thought it was a moment to take his hand we'd separate or something or he'd walk faster and I'd miss it, haha. ( ._.;;)

He's also poor this time around, so he didn't offer to pay. I knew this, but I wanted to offer to pay for him to show him I could do something nice for him, too (is this a dating faux pas?) but when we ordered at the sandwich shop and I tried to order together he told the girl, "separate..." and looked at me. I hope he wasn't offended that it looked like I expected him to pay for me. I smiled and said, "I can take care of you too, you know..." And he very adamantly refused -haha, I hope this didn't insult him as well.

Well, we walked to the movies again and we were in the city, so I kept on getting shuffled about by the crowd, so he finally said, "here," and offered me his arm.

（ ´ー｀）

Anyway, we ended up going to see Speed Racer. (We really loved it!) I put my hand on top of his during the movie, and again he readjusted it so that it was more comfortable. At the end of the movie, I said, "did you know, that 'go' in Japanese means five, so it would be Go Mach Go Go?"

He laughed about it and then said he didn't.

So then I said, "and there's another word in Japanese that I like...my Japanese best friend taught it to me."

HIM: ??
Me: ...deeto. (デート...forgive the romanization if it's wrong...de-to?)
Him: which is...?
Me: Date.
Him: Ah. -laughs- I see.
Me: So...when you get back...you'll take me on a デート, right?
Him: -smiling- Yes.

!!!!

GREAT SUCCESS.

(And to those of you who are wondering, yes, that was sickeningly rehearsed in my head for a long time ahead of time...)

He had to catch his bus right after the movie, but he took the time to walk me back to where I needed to be. He gave me a hug when he left, and I think he wanted to kiss me on the cheek, but we were in a public place.

He said, "Mark your calendar, I'll be back on the 20th!"

I'm happy. THANKS GUYS! YOU ARE ALL AWESOME.

（ ´ー｀）

congrats Thunder-chan with the huge upgrade!! Yet...this story is still going on. Like I said...this isn't a big bang...it's just a slow progression into a girl's love life story. I'm just happy to be a part of this...

awwww that's soo sweet!

>I'm happy. THANKS GUYS! YOU ARE ALL AWESOME.

NO U!

thats great now the story continues ^ ^
its nice to see this thread with good updates hope they could become real couples

Well what you're currently doing is called dating... You'll start feeding him any minute. Now the thing with him not paying is weird. I am a guy and I pay even if a girl is rich (I am far from rich unfortunately). I know that sometimes that may make girls uncomfortable, but seriously most of the time guys should pay, unless we date money-sucking bitches whom I wouldn't in the first place.

Now the other thing... Too many calls, messages, voice-mails on Saturday. And he comes out of the blue and texts you like nothing happened. Some sort of play if you ask me. For some reason he seems to like keeping you desperate... It's really irresponsible of him to act that way, but hey it works with most girls...

Good luck and keep us updated.

>>164

Actually, my friend expressed this concern as well, since he classifies himself as the "Alpha Male" type, yet every single move has been on my part. (There was a deleted post where I was the first one to take his hand). The first two times we went out, he asked me to call him, and the second time, he said, "Call me. You'll call me right? You promise?"

...he's never the one calling me first.

My friend said to watch out that I don't become his "backup," where he knows that I like him a lot, but he only sees me when he feels like it, and he might be seeing other girls too...

But I tell myself she's overthinking it.

>>165

Well there are guys like that. Intelligent guys, smooth-talkers who make you believe every possible compliment they make... The last thing I want is brag about it, but I am one of them so I know my type I guess. We are capable of seducing any girl we feel like (and I am just average when it comes to attractiveness, plain face)... We use our intelligence, extensive knowledge of social trivia and many other "tricks" to make girls we like believe that we're like that only with them. In reality, guys like us are usually in that open-dating scheme with at least three girls at a time. We're virtually incapable of pure love or at least we don't believe in it until it happens...

I am saying all this not to bring your hopes down but to take care because you might end up hurt. Despite your quirks (we all have them anyway) you seem nice and a bit naive, just the kinda girl he grabs for dinner... Of course, I might be wrong, but it doesn't hurt to be a bit cautious... One positive thing is that other girls who he is potentially seeing now are in pretty much the same situation...

I read all your posts and you said somewhere that he's authoritative and when he tells you something he makes you feel like every thing he says is a fact. Next thing he will start saying something about you and start controlling you in a way. He already does that... But, if you are submissive by nature and you don't care as long as you're by his side then there are good news -> he likes you, even as a backup... Although, I am pretty sure that you have some dignity and you want get to the point of literally begging him to stay with you...

I think that for now it's best to play along and take a rational look at his behavior. That will give you more answers than all of us 4channers together.

I am rooting for you!

>>166 as much as I want to say you gave good advice on the last sentence...i love how you advertise yourself as a "player." Let's try not to brag...ok?

anyways, thunder-chan...i understand the feeling of being "a shoulder to lean on." However, if what you say is true about yourself...then he's not getting all that you are. being cautious like wat >>166 said is only IF you feel that either a) you feel he's not into you or b) you're desperate. despite that, i'm thinking you are fine with the situation; it's just a phase where you think "is he really thinking about me...should i even care still?"

i can tell you this...when my girl and I were first starting to aim towards the dating tree, I ALWAYS had to call her (she didn't have a care in the world why I kept calling her). It took a couple of months before she decided to call me and say "I just want to say hi." That's the first part. Don't fret; it's still early...it's only the end when you hear "I can't see you in my life"

Hey, I haven't checked this thread for a while.
What's going on?

quick re-cap of the Thunder-chan story:

1) Thunder-chan feels insecure about sexuality and about present crush
2) Comes to 4ch for help, and gets "resourceful" advice
3) Posts images of herself that made guys want to have her
4) Went out with guy for the first time
5) Hung out a couple of times with the guy, occasionally holding hands
6) Boy leaves for wherever place that was, making Thunder-chna sad
7) She questions boy's intention with the dating situation...
8) Posters congrats her like New Year's Day
9) Hears good and bad advice from friends and 4ch posters
10) Thunder-chan get to go to lunch with boy
11) To be continued...

She was obviously raped and killed.

If anyone finds the body, just... Just take some pictures of it, okay?

Bye Thundey

>>173

That site is full of spyware.

>>174

not in my experience of it...

>>175

That's because you don't have proper spyware detection. I'm sorry, but, your computer is infected.

>>176
Maybe they have a proper web browser instead.

Oh wow, I'm really reminded of Densha Otoko for some reason. Haha...anyway, great job, Thunder-chan. Just be careful 'cause >>166 could be right.

Read op and >>166 and >>169

If he is like >>166 then 4ch should beat the crap outta him and leave him to /b/

sorry, but i'm bumping this thread because right now...i'm like Thunder-chan when she had to wait for her crush until the 20th (which just passed). I'm in another county from my gf...and I'm sad that I'm not with her because it the first time in a while we're REALLY apart (we graduated from college Saturday). However, unlike my past experiences where I thought "is she going to cheat on me; will she even call me; does she even care that we're still going out" were the reasons for feeling anxious...I realized that I love this girl too much to just think she'll do something stupid. In other words...I trust her a lot more and I'm waiting to come home for her.

Sorry to rain on your thread, Thunder-chan. However, take this advice whenever you don't see your "boy" for a few moments or days: if you continue to love him more than yesterday, then it means you are involving your trust more towards him. You can take our advice one way or another, but all I can say is if you continue to love him...then the dream you are trying to achieve is just within your grasp.

Hey guys.

It's past the 20th, as mentioned, and still no word from him. I gave in and texted him - just once, mind you - on the evening of the 20th, just to let him know I was in town in case he was back. (I was, for reasons completely unrelated to him, I was seeing my friends).

No response, and no word since he left.

I'm a little depressed I guess, but I'm sure it's nothing...

If he doesn't contact me in a week I guess I'll worry. But until then, I'll keep my chin up and I encourage you all to do the same in your own affairs!

Thanks for your kind words and encouragement, everybody. And thanks for your support, soccerfuu...I guess we all think crazy things sometimes, huh.

That sucks, Thunder-chan. I have to admit that I'm getting a bit worried right now...Anyway, keep your chin up and wait it out! We'll provide support for ya!

apparently...we're all crazy in love with this thread Thunder-chan!! right guys?

lets hope this would turn into a happy ending

I wonder if he's called yet!?!?!

lol Thunder, since you have shown your thighs on those pics, you've got a lot of interest in this thread suddenly :) btw, I didn't see anything wrong with your weight. I know you mentioned that you have to lose weight. Maybe it's me, I don't like too skinny girls :)

Anywayz, I hope everything works out for you

New here. Just wanted to drop that:

1. Geek girls into weird stuff (esp. weird fetishes) win.
2. If you have trouble meeting people and all, it means you're a worthy person in my list. I ignore social monkeys, and go for the interesting people instead.
3. You have the perfect weight to me, a healthy one. Don't think every guy like the sickly, anorexic standard of beauty fashion designers impose over us. Personally, I want you girls more fleshy, and big thighs and a round ass are two of my big turn-ons.

Hey guys. I'm so happy you're all reading my thread! I really appreciate every single comment and everybody who reads and doesn't comment, even. But I wonder if we are coming to an end...and not the happy one that I first posted about after I wrote about our successful "date," either. (That post is now deleted, but I took his hand and he continued to hold it for the rest of the time we were together. It filled me with a huge amount of hope and optimism.)

Anyway, this is probably going to go over the character limit. But basically, I'm kind of depressed now.

I knew I said I would give it a few days, but today I gave in and texted him - just once- I know enough not to send too many texts or be overly affectionate in them, but I just wanted to invite him to the aquarium with my friend and me, since my friend is leaving for Japan soon. (The boy and I had talked about going to the aquarium before, and possibly going with my friend.)

No response.

So basically, it's been almost two weeks since we've spoken in any way. It's the longest I've gone without communicating with him since I've met him. (Even when he was sick and couldn't see me, I called him and we chatted on the phone.)

I'm really wondering what's going on...Like, if you like a girl, you would want her to know, right? Especially if he claims to be the "Alpha Male" type. He said he'd call. He practically promised.

And we've text-flirted before, so it's not like he doesn't text at all...

Although, he has said that he's "sketchy" with the phone, and that he sometimes doesn't pick up/respond within a reasonable amount of time...

Part of me knows I am being particularly paranoid because this is a case of I like him > he likes me.

In my more paranoid, crazy moments, I think he has been playing me all along, and he's possibly seeing another girl.

In my overly forgiving moments, I think something's happened to his phone.

In my cynical and bitter moments, I think maybe he just doesn't care, period.

I'm especially bitter right now because this shit always, always happens to me. Every time I think I might have a romantic prospect with potential, something that could possibly lead to a loving, long-term relationship (the ultimate goal, of course), something happens to ruin it. Life's not a fairytale.

And I think I should give up on this childish concept of "love" altogether.

Don't mind me, I'm just being a bitter, poisonous single.

＿|￣|..............○

＿|￣|

I know I may be getting ahead of myself here, but I need to prepare for the worst, right?

Anyway, thanks everybody for reading and caring. It really heartens me to know that some guys like my type since I'm feeling particularly inadequate in some way. Not ______ enough, or something.

I hope everybody else is having better luck than this Thunder-girl!

Hope you'll feel better soon. Being single is not that bad...

Sorry to hear that, but this leads me to my suggestion:

Don't text or email. Call. The problem with text messages, emails, and, to a lesser extent, IM, is that they can be ignored, and the receiver can pretend to be away, not listen/notice it, or whatever. However, with a call, he needs to give you a reply immediately, and explicitly acknowledge what you've told him. It's the same for business. With elusive people, you have to be a bit more pushy and inquisitive.

eh why giving it up when its getting good already dont you think something happened to him?

I agree with >>190. Give him a call instead of a text, since texts aren't really as direct. Don't give up yet, Thunder.

Been reading this thread for a while but don't give up on him if you truly dig him a lot. Like previous replies suggest, call him to see what's up.

Hope everything's cool, Thunder. fingers crossing

>>OP

This is >>165 again.

I kind of expected this behavior on his side. But Thunder, don't for a moment look down on yourself. Although I don't want to speak in everybody's name, I honestly believe you're the type of girl most 4-ch guys would like to date, and probably more than that = have a serious relationship with you. The way one speaks/writes gives them away, and you're somebody with very pure personality, which is virtually non-existent today. Don't create an image of yourself based on one careless and irresponsible guy's behavior. And let's not be too negative... Maybe he had something important and who knows if he's in the town even, so it's not like he avoids you necessarily. If you overthink it like this, you'll just hurt yourself.

I agree with the rest of guys here, don't just give up and walk away like that. Give him a call. Be true to yourself and him. You know yourself better than us. If you think you are a strong person who is able to accept a defeat and overcome it, then you are ready to deal with this situation. There's nothing wrong with opening up about your feelings once in a while. You might tell him that you see him as more than just a friend. If he rejects that, then big deal.. didn't work out... Happens to everybody... If he makes fun of you (for some reason I have such an impression of him) then you were losing your time with him, in the first place... I know it's hard to deal with love or profound liking but there is something you have to learn for your own good. You MUST save your emotional energy for somebody that deserves it. Otherwise you will meet the right person for you (sooner or later) empty-hearted. Sorry for tl;dr. I definitely didn't want to sound preachy...

CALL HIM!

Rooting for you.

We're all rooting for ya!!!

if we had the opportunity, we would steal this crush's #, dial him up, and vocally interrogate him about his feelings for Thunder-chan...or we could also steal his info about where he is and become the Spanish Inquisition.

I agree with soccerfuu9!
Has anybody got a REALLY bright light bulb and a chair I could strap him down to?
Perhaps a pair of pliers or something?

>>196
Fetch me... The comfy chair!

Oh no, not the comfy chair!

Hey guys. You are all really wonderful...I know I keep saying that, but damn, you all know how to make a girl smile, even when I was feeling so ＿|￣|○

Anyway, I know everybody was pressing for a phone call, but I was wondering if his phone was messed up, and so I sent him a facebook message about the aquarium. He responded a couple of hours later, saying that his phone was being 'sketchy.' I was like, "What does that mean? Like it's broken? XD" I'm going to go ahead and believe him, of course, (even though the paranoid part of me wonders if it's an excuse) and he said that his research project has started, and he's working 50hrs/week, but he'll see if he can try and get some free time this weekend. I messaged him back about what his schedule is like this summer (and about the phone) and he hasn't responded yet. That was...a couple of days ago?

Anyway, I've been thinking, and I can see now that this is a case of I like him> he likes me. Which isn't a bad thing, but like -- clearly I'm not a priority in his life, even though I have such a huge crush on him in mine. So really...I need to just chill the fuck out. He doesn't care about me, so I shouldn't care so much, right? It's just hard, haha...＿|￣|

All my girl friends are saying I should give up on him, but I thought that over too, since it's a case of my pride vs. my heart, FIGHT. They say things like, "you're too good for him," "no guy should ever treat you that way" - but if I go that route, I just end up self-righteous and alone. I appreciate this support, but it's not like I will settle down with just anybody. I really thought that he was everything I was looking for (looks, smarts, sense of humour) and even though I see that he's flawed, he's still worth pursuing, in my eyes.

The way I see it, (dorky talk ahead) relationships are kind of like playing a game, right? And now I've just entered hard mode. I know I have a chance, and the right stats, i just have to beat down his HP until he likes me the same...XD; If I throw down my controller, it's not even GAME OVER. It's just quitting. You can't beat a game that way.

Did that make sense?

I know you guys hate it when girls "play games," so I don't want to do anything manipulative, and I really do like him...But I really wonder how he sees me, from his guy's POV.

Thunder OUT, keep on rawking, you guyz!

oh yeah, 200 GET

you know what though...if it really gets to your nerves, you can always approach him...up-front-and-personal...and demand what is going on between you two. It sounds awful and disgraceful, but I can say from experience that as a worse-case scenario, I feel it relieves you of the pressure of "does he/he not like me" feeling and just letting you move on. It happened to me once...and if i did not say it to a past crush and she denied me, I wouldn't be dating the wonderful girlfriend I have today.

otherwise...patience is a virtue; just let it flow. I feel even if this fails...we'll still be here for you.

Agreed. Just go with the flow.

Hang in there! :)

Poor Thunder Ch-
AAAAAAH THE FIRE TRUCK HAS STOPPED OUTSIDE AND THE LIGHTS ARE FLASHING! AAAH FIRE!
I hope it doesn't spread to my house!
This is your fault!!!

Oh it's gone now.
As I was saying:
Poor Thunder Chan.

>>200
Considering your looks and tastes, and how you're calling him for a date, I'm starting to think he must be gay.

> relationships are kind of like playing a game, right?

Actually, that's why they often fail. The average girl likes to play with guys' feelings. I hate those stupid run-and-catch games, all they do is fuck guys up and often make these girls miss a potentially good guy who gets confused, depressed or pissed off and forgets her.

You, on the other hand, seem more direct, which is good and honest; in other words, the right thing to do. If you think you don't have much of a chance by now, then perhaps you could give it one last, definite try, as >>202 said, to ask him up front what he thinks about you and if he's interested on a relationship. Maybe he is, and in the worst case that he says he's not, you'll have an easier time forgetting about him.

Would you like us to kidnap some pretty boys for you? You can pick and choose which one's you wanna keep. :)

>>207...that actually makes you feel bad. That's like saying "I look stupid...so here are better guys you should go out with." I'm not saying that's not her resolve...but she's still hooked to this guy...

are you feeling better Thunder-chan?

>>207 why do you need them when there is.... me!
Flexes muscles choooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

>>206
Yeah...I kind of fail at playing games, anyway...I have more of a guy mind, I guess. You're either attracted or you're not, you're either interested or you're not. You're right, I am a direct person.

I've been giving this a lot of thought, and I guess I wouldn't want to be with someone who wants to toy with me anyway. He's clearly not OMG PERFECT or any kind of "prince", and once I look at him realistically, it's easier to start picking myself up and prepare for moving on.

>>207

Screw the boys, let's go chase girls together.

>>Soccerfuu - I actually was feeling pretty bad, and I swore to myself I would not come back and update this thread again, but reading these replies made me smile. To answer your question, yes, I am feeling better, and it's thanks to you guys.

>>209

Well, at least AmazingHappyBoy is amazingly happy...

Also, I'm curious at who is tripcoding Lightning? （*ﾟーﾟ）

You not what you need, Thunder?
I big, fat joint to smoke.
A huge one, the size of a very large... mobile phone!
It will clear your head!

Oops I said "not" when i meant "know"

>>213
Maybe you need to smoke less. ( ﾟヮﾟ)

Oh! and an update for you guys, we will see if it is the last real update on this thread or not.

I did get tired of waiting around for a response, so I sent him a message that put the ball fully into his court.

Basically, it said, "Sorry I'm sending you all these messages...I guess I'm used to pursuing, because I'm used to dating girls.

Anyway, you seem pretty busy right now, so why don't you contact me when you wanna see me?

再見~"

再見 is especially useful, since it's used to mean "goodbye," but literally it means "until we meet again" or "hope to see you again." If he doesn't like me at all, then I'll have my answer, whatever it may be.

>>214

>Anyway, you seem pretty busy right now, so why don't you contact me when you wanna see me?

This is pretty much the best you can do. I went on a date with a girl once [my only date evar, and it even went well, or so I thought] who then pretty much turned flaky afterwards, so I just told her exactly that and, as I suspected, never heard from her again. Hopefully that won't be the case with you though.
Also,
>>210

>Screw the boys, let's go chase girls together.

Don't give up on guys just because of how one behaves. D: I'm sure I don't need to tell you that most of the guys in this thread would love to get to know you.

But that's not saying much (;_;)

>>215

Are we not desperate?

if you know where this guy lives, why do you go to him Thunder-chan?

New story: i came back from a school trip, and I was waiting for my girlfriend in front of the school. Unfortunately, she arrived with urgent business with someone's friend, and that friend's grandfather was in the car (I'll explain why that was important later). When I tried to just talk to her...she was running off quickly...and just when she was about to leave, she told me "sorry, I got to go...goodbye." I was in shambles. I cried for a while...thinking I got dumped. Eventually I went home...and I was very depressed.

A few hours later, I was lying down when my mother answered the door. Apparently, it was my girlfriend...out of breath. She pulled me out to my backyard, but I was silent. She then told me why she brushed me off. Apparently, the grandfather was FUCKING STUPID about any girls (this is Mexican culture) dating other guys, and that he saw us hugging or kissing, he would blab it to the entire neighborhood in her city (we were hiding the relationship at the time). When she got home from school, she thought it wasn't a big deal at first. But as time passed, she said that she had a huge throbbing in her heart, and basically told her sister (even though she was against it) she was taking a bus and heading to my town. My girlfriend got lost, but eventually RAN to my house...and that's where we stand. She cried after explaining...and after realizing how stupid I was for doubting her...I just hugged her for the rest of the night. It was one of those moments where I just felt like "this girl might be all mine one day..."

So Thunder-chan, all I'm saying is to keep your head up still. Sure, the chances may look slim...but like I said before...texting/calling isn't going to help you out. If you really want to get this off your chest (and I don't think saying you dated girls was a good idea to start off), YOU HAVE TO SEE HIM FACE TO FACE!! If he turns away, then you'll know. However, only time will tell how emotions will sway. One day, you'll might think this was just "a hardcore crush" that just came and gone...OR...this guy would finally realize how lucky he is to have you as a great friend. In any case, if it ends out on the downside, don't ignore him; continue the friendship. Ending a friendship would only hurt your self-esteem more.

I love you all guys...but we have to give it up to Thunder-chan...she deserves all the help and praise she needs.

>if you know where this guy lives, why do you go to him Thunder-chan?

because that's called stalking...? XD

Your story is very sweet, soccerfuu, but it sounds like you guys had a relationship before that event. I can't even get that far... ( -_-;)

I know I do have to see him face to face, since every time face to face he's been like a dream, but I don't want to be throwing myself at him, either. I admit, the dating girls part might not have been smart, but I was a little bit upset and I wanted to imply that me chasing him down all the time was treating him like a girl, especially if he's supposed to be a "dominant Alpha male" type.

But you're right, only time will tell from this point on...I also really wonder if it was ever a friendship in the first place, or if we were dating from the start. Blarghh. So many questions, no answers.

>>211

Yeah, although I forgot my previous trip code (very forgetful here). Anyway, lurking through.

日本語でおk

>>219 Thunder-chan...it isn't considered stalking if you just knock on his door (my God girl...you think I was saying "pop up in front of him and demand for his answer). I mean...you did go to house before...rite?

If not...then yea...throw that advice away. Damn...the waiting game is so irritating!!

you're going to hate me for saying this... but, why not move on?

Hey, 2x dude from earlier in the thread. I don't remember the exact twenty it was and as the thread was deleted... well nevermind.

I'm sorry for you Thunder... I hope your last shot gives something, I really do. But if nothing happens, I think you must prepare yourself to move on; and before you start getting all anxious again, I must tell you something; move on with a huge smile on your face. Don't let that get you down. Instead, use all that disappointment and frustration and channel it as a strenght, okay?

Oh, and I hope you'll still hang out around here whatever happens. You're kinda the cheerful type and give out good advice. Well sometimes at least :p

>>221
あたしは 日本語 が できません。（｡；-；）

>>222

Again, soccerfuu...we're not on those terms. I think it'd be creepy if I just went to his place without telling him first, especially since the ball is in his court now.

The feelings are slowly fading...if he wants to be with me, by now he'll have to win me back.

>>223

I don't hate you. I think this is wise advice. （#・-・）

>>224

I think you're absolutely right. Everybody here has been really supportive and really wonderful, and while I was hoping to be able to tell a nice romance story to everyone, it's true - not all of us can be Densha Otoko. But I value everybody who's shown their support here more than this guy who just seems to dick me around.

I have definitely come to love /love/ so I will definitely be here no matter what. （＾ヮ＾*）I just don't always tripcode when I'm not in this thread ;D I don't want people to think I'm just here to attention-whore...

>>225
I sure hope that outside of your thread you're just a Secret Admirer like the rest of us... hehe

I would want Thunder to give me advice on romance in a time of need ;-;

>>219

>　because that's called stalking...? XD

I'd love it if a girl like you stalked me :P

......aaaaaand we're back online.

somewhat.

not really.

I just got a message from him saying that he "understands my aggressiveness" but he really is very genuinely busy. He promises to call me...

I don't want to be waiting around for him, though, and at this point I don't plan to. Self-righteous and alone doesn't look so bad anymore...

I'll message him back, but in a day or two. He says being "sketchy" means being too tired to respond to messages - what does he think I expect from him? A hello would be fine. It doesn't take that much energy to text...I don't always have to see him, if that's what he thinks, but he apparently doesn't get that.

In fact, you don't even need to message him back on this... just let him call. He will... and if he doesn't, I think there's nothing more you can do.

>>231 yeahyeahyeah, this guys got it!!
If he wants you then he'll call!

I'm with >>231

Just for the record, physical beauty =/= good/hot/cool person. I dated a fucking gorgeous female for awhile, who was a total bitch and more than a bit mentally unstable.

As for OP, I think he's feeling overwhelmed by a number of things right now and is avoiding talking to you because he's worried about that adding more pressure and about being in a bad mood and saying or doing something stupid.

I think your best bet for right now is to ask if you can bring him some take-out when he's doing his homework or something. That helps with his financial burden, his time issues, him needing a mental break from what he's doing, and gets you a moment to connect with him. When you talk to him, mention that you understand that he's busy and apologize for being selfish, then mention that you just got a bit upset when he didn't call you on the 20th like he said he would. Leave it at that.

Have you tried asking him to xxx in your eyesocket? Thats always a turn on for a guy...

I feel this thread has run its couse. sigh But it just doesnt seem right to leave the last post as a 'xxx eyesocket' comment. Anyone have words of wisdom to kindof end a thread like this?

Life is short. If you want something, don't wait. Go for it with all your being. If you cant get it, then you won't regret failing.

Whatever you do, Thunder, I hope you will find your happiness.

Hey guys. Thunder here.

I'm surprised to see that this thread still generates interest...Looking at it makes me kind of depressed. I'm still here and posting in /love/, but I'm simultaneously obsessed with romance and also wanting to take a break from it at the same time.

I haven't messaged him back. I don't want to >>234 because it feels like I am throwing myself at him. Like we've said...if he is really interested, he will contact me, right?

Argh. I don't even want to be thinking about him anymore.
I did a good job putting him out of my head these last two weeks. But today I saw this thread and I stalked his facebook. Every time I saw a girl post on his wall I wanted to punch them. ＿|￣|○

There is a weird compression feeling in my chest...

I am trying to put it out of my head. Thank you for your support, guys. You are, as always, wonderful. And I think you always will be.

Thunder, he doesn't like you and never did. I'm sorry that I have to be so blunt but we all need it at times, my advice is to move on and get back in the game, next time you're in this situation I'll guarantee that you can handle it much better.

Also, as a rule of thumb, if someone says they'll call you, if they haven't called within 2/3 days get in touch, if not then just leave it, nothing is less attractive than clingy people. For example, to win my girlfriend over I ignored her at times and was intentionally vague other times, this let me know if she really wanted me, she showered me with affection but played a similar game. We've been together 8 months on and off.

Good luck hun.

nooooooo thuuuunder-chaaaaaaaan
you have lost the fighting spirit!
MY FLAMES OF PASSION HAVE BEEN PUT OUT!
it...is...oover...
dead

ps: good luck in the future

Sadly, I think >>240 is right. If he shared even of a sliver of your feelings for him, he would have at least said something. Optimistically (Also Improbably) he could just not be saying anything out of fear that a beautiful, intelligent girl such as yourself, would reject a /b/-tard like him.

God, now that was a struggle.

>>243
At the risk of sounding desperate, do you want to talk off-site Thunder-san?

Also, for anyone wondering, the girl I mentioned in >>240 lives thousands of miles away :(

Yes, I do, Lonely-chan. I can't leave my info, though (too easily identifiable) but if you want to leave yours I will certainly contact you!

>>247
I hope I don't receive too much spam.

ivory.keys@live.com

I look forward to hearing from you.

aw yay!
ONE HAPPY PERSON FROM THIS THREAD
not all sadness!

i wanna talk wit Thunder-chan too!

striker_20002003@yahoo.com

plz write soon!

Added you on Y!IM, soccerfuu.

mind if you write a quick letter to the address? y!mail is being funny today with IM

>>251...Thunder-chan...i found out i can use Y!IM online...i should be on now...(write an e-mail if i don't respond)

Would you mind giving a back story quickly as 4/5 of the thread is missing and I'm a new lurker? If you don't want to then that's fine too.

post thunderchan!!!

Intriguing. Please continue in your exposition!

awww continue to post!!!

Well, something that I never told the first time around is that we actually kissed. Why didn't I tell it? I was nervous and wondering if it actually meant something, or was it the result of being drunk.

--OLD POST--

[at his place] he introduces me to his roommates, joking that he's bringing a girl home to freak out his conservative Christian roommate. (I am hoping beyond hope that he likes me that way) His roommates are kinda frat-boy looking and very attractive. Not as attractive as him, though...

We end up doing shots of whiskey. They have a butler closet, apparently, a small, dark space for drinking in. He says, "Come in closer," and I can't help but think how this could be really romantic, since it's dark and they have fun lighting....

We do three shots and then he mixes a drink that he insists that we share. Surrogate kiss! 8D ...okay, lame.

I'm pretty tipsy by the time we start walking towards the train. He slows down to wait for me because I'm wearing heels, and he laughs when I point out that my legs aren't as long as his. We sit on the train together and he has his arm on the back of my seat - the alcohol emboldens me and I lean into him, a little.

(´･ω･`)

He's way too 1337 for me...-,- I mean, gorgeous, smart, funny, AND interesting?? He could have any girl...I'm not...not the kind that boys like this go for...

When we get to the bar, he says, "beer? dancing? Both?"

I say I don't need a beer, and he asks, "are you sure?" and then he suggests we split a beer. He asks me what kind, I say, "Heineken." He makes a pleased noise - "I was just about to suggest that very same brand."

I am reading too much into this, i know...

And then he asks me to dance.

Welcome back Thunder! :D
Didn't know about the kiss thing... this guy sure is weird. I'm too baked to make up any more insightful comment as of now.

Off to bed.

so was this... before he got "busy"??

>>263 Hi Thunderchan!! I blushed when i read this story, because i liked it so much!! :))))

>>265 yep, exactly.

In the timeline, we are now caught up to my post >>141

For people who don't want to go back and read it, basically he wasn't picking up his phone and I thought, ignoring me, but somehow we end up arranging a date, as described in >>159

so did something happen? is this why you're updating again?

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