manga in america lol (37)

1 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2007-09-06 21:32 ID:3mJQvlcv

will never be like manga in japan

discuss.

2 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2007-09-07 02:34 ID:Heaven

As it stands, I would agree, but I'm not in the habit of predicting the future.

3 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2007-09-07 16:41 ID:/XmPYaib

but then again, i dont give a shit

4 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2007-09-13 00:36 ID:P3z1LrsA

the "manga revolution" volumes Tokyopop puts out bother me. I borrowed one, and could stand to have it in my house, returned it the next day. Seems exaggerated, but really, I was really bothered by it.

5 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2007-09-18 04:42 ID:KICMKIQh

American "manga-ka" just suck. Same with Korean ones.

They're boring.
They suck.
Manga is Japan-exclusive. The end.

6 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2007-09-18 07:11 ID:Heaven

Korean mangaka eat dog too.

7 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2007-09-19 02:57 ID:3sBA7mfs

Yes, they will, because for the most part they're just trying to imitate, instead of actually working a style and trying to go into new relms. (Notice how much more art variety there is in the Japanese manga than in the American faux-manga).

If you want good comics in America, look for that, good comics from America, not comics in the manga style that were drawn in America, since they're saying right off the bat that they're mainly trying to sell on their copied style, rather than on their actual goodness.

8 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2007-09-19 13:59 ID:EITr2Yqm

Just one word. SUCKS!!!!

9 Name: Random Otaku : 2007-09-19 14:48 ID:QMSFfRQj

Yeah, I've tried a lot of American faux-manga, and it absolutely SUCKS! Whatever you do, DO NOT even think about looking at Ben Dunn's "Ninja High School". If you do, you will regret it. The art is shit, there's a whole bunch of furry stuff, and the story's kinda stale.

The only good one I've seen is Aoi House. The art is good, and the story's okay.

10 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2007-09-21 13:50 ID:EITr2Yqm

>>9 It's not oo bad, but hate the american refrences or all the weeaboo stuff like FF7 and some other stuff they did.

11 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2007-09-21 13:51 ID:EITr2Yqm

too*

12 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2007-09-22 03:53 ID:64Go6qbA

There's always something about the art that stands out as "not japanese" even if the style is reasonably close. I think it has something to do with the poses or facial expressions but I can't be sure.

13 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2007-09-28 20:29 ID:XgJg/fzC

Japanese artists often work within subtleties between Japanese face shapes. This is also particularly noticeable with manhua and manhwa, where Chinese and Korean artists tend to make their characters -- even those from completely different ethnicities -- look more like the people from their own countries. Equally skilled artists:

  • From Japan would make the manga-animu style weeaboos already know and love.
  • From Korea would tend to have more pronounced cheekbones and chins, smaller eyes, and longer necks.
  • From China (particularly Hong Kong or Taiwan; the mainland stuff isn't so good) would tend to have rounder faces, and very different interpretations of eye shapes. Also, they tend to focus on more traditional Chinese settings, just because the good Chinese stuff comes from Hong Kong and Taiwan, where people are into that.

There are manga-style comics from other countries, too (like Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia, the Philippines), but there isn't as much of a volume of it readily available for me to make a comparison. However, the last differences generally boil down to:

  • Slightly different cultures; not all countries and not even all Asian countries have the same customs. Some proverbs and taboos do get around Asia, sure, but not always the same way. For example, the fox (kitsune) in Japan is a mischief-maker, whereas in Korea the fox (kumiho) is pretty damn scary at times.
  • Korean preference for earthier textures (just my personal opinion; Japan in real life looks kind of like flashy pastels, brightly colorful seafood... Korea in real life looks like wood and beef, and I've never been to any other Asian country)
  • Different styles of Engrish can often be a dead giveaway as to where your comic is from if you know the linguistic pattern... (e.g. K: Aprican, J: Afurican, C:Afri). Of course, there are those very few artists that take pains to make it correct....

All in all, I'd say most artists are just using their own style when it comes to most of the Asian manga-imitators. Most of them probably aren't even aware of what differentiates them from the Japanese style. A lot of them grew up with translated Japanese manga and anime, as well as (usually older and inferior) products from their own country, and that's ultimately what they aim for, I guess. In this era of globalization, it would seem that different places are getting harder and harder to tell apart. But the American manga wannabes mostly... just end up looking like yuck.

tl;dr: Go fly a kite, weeaboo racists. Made of plastic, not paper and wood.

14 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2007-09-30 21:10 ID:YjCZfhZE

Eh. Who cares where manga comes from, as long as it's good?
American manga can be good, assuming they don't try too hard.
Korean manga (manwa) almost always suck, I'm afraid.

15 Name: Kira : 2007-10-03 09:15 ID:HFLJBm9i

Manga is good in japan -Somethings are hard to understand here like japanese traditions in the story.... I wish I could read japanese XD... Some japanese ones that are not released here in America... I wish they were because some of them are good.

Manhwa is good in Korea -Most of the things that are released here are bad.... -__- But ones in Korea are really good... Mostly comedy ones are good. Sorry, you prob. won't find it too funny due to the fact that there are lots of Korea references in the manhwa. If you know Korean and such then it's really good XD.

Comic is good in America -Sorry but America is kinda only good with comic books with not much stories on it... It just feels right for things here.
If you are going to copy manga style then copy is well! like the tonesm artistic styles and GOOD STORIES! Thank you.

16 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2007-10-04 11:24 ID:d+razR1d

>>1
agree. And it sucks. But things will never change.

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18 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2007-10-06 21:02 ID:RL/PPsZI

>>1

I think manga is better from Japan 'cause they make a lot of them, and they've done so for years. A bad manga would have a harder time surviving the Japanese market long enough to get to the USA.

It's kinda like games -- how many millions of copies does a game have to sell before the company can afford to export?

19 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2007-10-06 22:57 ID:BBzePD1v

Depends. If it's not your first game, you can already afford to.

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21 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2007-11-23 16:34 ID:gb5kQqVr

I hate most American-made weeaboo comics, like Megatokyo and aoi House. I hate them not because of their art style, I mean, yeah, it sucks, but because the story is so weeaboo and racist.

22 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2008-01-02 04:09 ID:KIwFkU+u

I haven't read one that I actually like yet. D8

23 Name: the7k : 2008-01-23 14:44 ID:Heaven

Does Adam Warren's Dirty Pair count? Other than that, most American manga-esque comics tend to be underwhelming at least.

I also loved Udon's Darkstalkers, but that wasn't going for a heavy manga style.

Still, its not like America has a shortage of good comics as a whole. Marvel/DC ain't my cup of tea, but I'll be plenty happy with the lesser known publishers like Top Cow, Dark Horse and Aspen.

24 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2008-02-23 02:45 ID:eOGIAlsg

What about Dan Kim? He's Canadian, but his manga-influenced stuff is fucking genius. Go read some Paper Eleven or Kanami.

25 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2008-02-23 07:52 ID:0KMQ7/Yq

>>24 go back to clone-army u fuckup
we dont need ur disturbing pedo love here

26 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2008-03-02 21:33 ID:FnQ+/eKn

>>25
Hey, Dan Kim isn't just a pedo

In fact he recently said he was tired of moe and was gonna stop doing that sort of stuff

27 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2008-03-09 02:47 ID:2g6/1z00

Looks like a lot of the OEL books aren't panning out. What a surprise.
http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/03/tokyopop-oel-able-to-create-a-satisfying-ending/

28 Name: shenanigans : 2008-05-21 23:00 ID:cu0NewaJ

Yeah, I've been into manga for quite some time now. I'm really big with good stories, character development, and overall enjoyability. American comics just don't do it for me. Lots of them are either too dark, or just variations on a theme with no real outreach.

29 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2008-08-23 19:00 ID:kqv4FvhM

poop

30 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2008-08-24 01:29 ID:Heaven

>>29
thank you for your insightful comment on the state of amerimanga today

31 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2008-09-23 02:23 ID:Heaven

NP.

32 Name: Manga enthusiast : 2009-01-12 14:06 ID:NASEFfPQ

I'm actually trying to be hopeful with all the Ameri-manga here.. if you can call it that. More or less the American version of 'imitation' of manga just lacks the very substance that makes manga enjoyable, addictive, and loveable. The manhwa they have here [Yenpress has published their monthly serialized magazine known as Yen+] is all right... only Jack Frost, and the korean artist and white writer make Maximum Ride fairly alright, bearable to read.

When we get to the point. American manga just utterly fails. Most of them just leech off manga influences and warp it to fit it their own. Instead of adapting to make manga fit. They just takes bits and parts of it to FIT their style.

....

man... manga is so expensive these days.

33 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2009-01-14 14:26 ID:5+7YB1yn

Alot of the good manga that comes from Japan loses alot of it's humor during translation, usally because of "watering" dwn that teh translators make.

A good example is from Naruto, when he makes a deal with Gammbunta[sry if it's spelled wrong] he talks about be too young to sign a contract... WAY OFF, the Orignal speaks of Naruto an Gammabunta having a drink, like a shot of alchol an naruto say's he's too young. Makes alot more sense them being to young to sign a contract. T_T sadly alot of good humor is lost in translation cuz the manga is modifed for young kids

there r other examples to, does any one elese have an example of this

also i agree with post #32, Ameri-Manga is no good. I dun even waste my time looking at more than the first 10 pages! Though If any one knows of a good one let us know

34 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2009-01-14 23:24 ID:OcJYDgm5

>33

Are you talking about shonen jump's translation of that scene? Because they do reference alcohol in some way.

35 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2009-01-18 22:08 ID:v18uFHdB

>>34 He's a weeaboo, ignore him.

36 Name: random person 101 : 2009-11-21 01:04 ID:6tESivHX

it depends on the author and plus did u know that must of manga's u read arent even real peps in japan but people in other coutry's and the usa! Bit u didnt know that! >:O

37 Name: Random Manga Otaku : 2009-11-27 13:59 ID:Heaven

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