http://fret2fret.com/

Do you also think this is just some empty promises?
I don't really get what the software is for, but afais, you only learn to remember where each note on the fretboard is. I don't really get how they can promise to become a 'genius' guitar player in less than 60 minutes, because (in my opinion) that's theoretically and above all theortically impossible.

That whole thing sounds like an infomercial. There's no skill in the world that could be taught in 60 minutes, the human brain just doesn't work that way. Better to spend $30 on some introductory lessons, or find someone who knows how to play and just ask them to show you a few things. Or better yet, just pick it up and try stuff out. Lots of great musicians were self-taught, and no matter how you learn if you can't find a way to have fun on your own you'll never stick with it. Make your aim to enjoy the process of learning rather than trying to get to some particular "level" as fast as you can.

The software isn't designed to teach you technique, rather it tries to help you memorize the fret board.
The guy doesn't maintain his website very well so you can imagine what the software is like... a note on the website:
http://www.fret2fret.com/bass
http://www.fret2fret.com/guitar

.html are webpages, other things may be software.
:)

Thanks- ;)

This man is lying to you... the only way to master the guitar is hours of muscle memmory training and scales.. Ask anyone who plays to debunk this software for you since that dumbass left the links open for public download www.fret2fret.com/bass.zip and www.fret2fret.com/guitar.zip .. you will cry at the time you wasted even considering this software.

That is such a crap piece of software...if you could call it that.

Well, I have to disagree with you. The software is truly amazing. Anything that can teach you the entire fretboard in less than an hour is incredible. What you do with that information is upto you. If you have half a brain you will realise this.

ID:1fhxm3wf is Mike Slaiter.

I tried it. I liked it. I can't say that I memorized it yet but I now know the notes for the entire fretboard. This took a day and a half. I did not know anything before this.

I know that with more time a week or two, I will have the fretboard memorized.

It is a unique memory technique that works.

I have to say it worked for me , Ok I didnt do it in an hour
but I printed it out and took it on holiday with me and learned it at my leasure between beers . and I think im nearly there .
also the technique is usefull for other uses when you need to learn a bunch of bits of info .

:( the zips are down

how do you get it for fee

i tried ur link but theirs a problem with it can i get it free i need to see if it works {fret2fret is wat im on about}

I ordered the system, it didnt work. I asked for a full refund and nothing. I wouldnt urinate on the man if he was on fire. I wouldnt urinate in his mouth if he was dying of thirst! He's a rip off sont give him any money!

"...become very popular with everyone, especially the opposite sex!"
yeah right this is the reason why I want to learn and play a musical instrument "Mr" Mike Slaiter

I would like to get it for free as well just to see if I will attract any chicks with my new skills learnt from the software according to the dumpass mikey lol

I think LYNX works much better let's stick with it f*ck fret2fret

Thanks guys for the solution to my dillema because I was going to buy from the guy now I more ensured what to do LET'S NOT MAKE THE GUY RICH

I went ahead and just paid for it. Figured hey, it's only like $30, and if this guy is smart enough to scam me, good for him. Only one problem. I went ahead and did the Paypal thing, then relized I have no idea where to download the files. I only did it about 40 minutes ago, so should I be expecting an email from the guy with instructions or something? Obviously the zip links don't work anymore......

i got it and it didnt work!!!!i want my f**king money back!!

i didnt want to feel like an ass wen i payed 4 it and it was a scam but i got it off limewire search for: fret2fret under programs, havnt tried it yet tho hope this helps!

i have just sent an e-mail to the guy asking for a 'taster', if it works or if he doesnt send me something ill let you all know

could you explain me what that guy says please?

Can someone who got this thing send the zip files to me please?

was thinking of buying this but need advice of someone who has it incase its a con can anyone help?

thanx guys you really helped me!! that f*ckin guy almost made me buy his programm... EMPTY PROMISSES!!!!
Nervertheless I'd like to test it 4 FREE!!!
...

grand claims for lame software. nothing new, just a rehash of what most people would already know! check out the paypal url for a clue where the downloads area is! hint, return= how lame!

sure, sure, jim, a.k.a. "mike slaiter"

i wanna see how that works ~ send it to me, and when it helped me i'll pay you 50 bucks

>>25 and >>7 have the same ID...

Here's the info.

I am a 44 year old guy who had his left hand crushed to a bloody pulp in 1983.

info on injury..

tendon in top joint little finger stretched
top joint middle finger missing
Thumb crushed off but replaced in surgery, middle joint however is siezed making bending thumb round impossible as is bending joint itself.

Answer ?

Learn the other way !!

I'm sure you can grasp how difficult this is just to "switch everything around", let alone overcoming the difficult holding a plectrum in the left hand.

Perseverence, Perseverence, Perseverence.
Frustration
Perserverence ... and so on.

Actually, FINALLY, getting somewhere.

Fingers mostly doing what they should, strength building up in right wrist (fretboard hand)

left hand mastering a technique in holding pic and building strength in thumb muscles.

NOW....

I see this proggie and....

I WANT !!

But I'm not a complete schmuck... google is your friend etc.

Find this forum.

Appears to be a scam however, he doesn't claim to make anyone a master guitarist. Only teach em how to memorise the fretboard.

Well hell yeah, thats useful.

So

Here's the deal..

I will Limewire it and test it out.
I WILL put maximum effort into it. If it teches me to memorise fretboard in a reasonable time (a month ?)

Then I will gladly send him OVER the cost of his proggie.

Can't be fairer than that !!

Paul, Peterborough.. UK
Ex Kalamunda, Western Australia.

What is the name of the program. I would Limewire it too, but what is it called?

i think the guys a genius for managing to scam so many people u gotta give him credit for that, but what dumbass would want the software there should be no shortcuts in learning to play u shld do it cos u love the instrument not because u wanna get good over nite to score chicks, jimmy page took no short cuts didnt even hav the internet in them days but hey if u can get it for free y not give it a try? and well done to mike woteva for makin some easy cash while it lasted, snoogans!

wots LYNX man?

look..dont do this...there are about 3 other things just like this that shouldnt be hjoined www.guitaralliance.com is almost the exact same...dont do it...mike slator is obviously a made up name.

>>32
Dude... interpunctation...

OMFG! Don't buy this shit! This is a simple memory technique that every one have heard of atleast a couple of times! I was SOOO close to buy it but then I got to see the program....

A little quote from the program: "The Greeks used memory techniques like this all the time."

And here's a quote from the website:

"And this isn't some quickie product I decided to crank out one day...

This system is pure scientific fact and has been born out of the passion of someone who really wanted to learn all the notes on the guitar because therein, lies the true holy grail of guitar advancement. I named the system fret2fret."

Eeeh... So he invented it and the Greeks used it at the same time ????

And about his invention... That's bullshit... I knew of this technique YEARS before today, so he couldn't possible have invented it...

DON'T BUY IT!!

So, I hear what you're sayin'... Some people think it's a rip off and some don't. I think the sales pitch of the site is cheesy, but he's got a point. If you can memorize the entire fret board - even in a week - you do have an advantage. I started taking lessons shortly before getting the program and it helped me immensely. It was something I did in my spare time, for the hell of it. It was only $30 - cost of one lesson for me - and my bass instructor was impressed with the results. Anyway, just my 2 cents.

But that's not to say I believe he's a genius inventor or that I wouldn't have tried it free if I knew how! :)

This is a very bizarre thread.

the fret2fret guy is a fraud, i think he has a picture of his father posing to be a satisfied customer.

ever body on this website thanks a lot i was guna buy this shit but thanks for telin me its crap!!

I just dloaded the free program :D Hahaha poor Mike is stupid enough to allow people to dload it without paying.

Lets see what this is all about.

GIMME A FUCKIN BREAK, the so-called "revolutionary system" is a fuckin Flash application?!

I deleted the direct link to the download site of the program. Seemed too shifty for this board to me. Please refrain from posting direct links to software you are supposed to pay for.

Izzy where did u download the free progamme from?

From the link in >>40 which I deleted.

Posting in a legendary thread.

Hey Admin only a complete fool would pay for that crummy software, now.

hey pop can u email me the zip?

damn wtf this guy is a fuckin retard i mean memorize an entir fret board and bcum a guitar ''genius'' thats is fuckin IMPOSSIBLE

heres the "secret"....the notes on a guitar follow a patern. A, D, G, C, F, A#, D#, G#, C#, F#, B, E, and back to A. This pattern goes vertically down the fret board. Make up a story to memorize it. Just Remember that at the 5th string you need to take the note before what the pattern would suggest. ie. a D, instead of a D#. There you have it. Old Mike here managed to draw it out over a five page 1.8 meg flash file. What a scam. My condolenses to anyone who paid for it.

Thanks guys, i almost bought from this bastard
, why would u spend 30 bucks for something youll only use for about 40 mins. thats like ordering an online hooker

Dear Mike, as a representative of a music school association, after taking note of your website, I got very interested in your fret2fret system. Most of the schools that are in our association report recurrent problems of shortage of guitar instructors and as a result of that are understaffed. Therefore, any method that would teach our students how to become genius guitarists in about an hour would be very welcome. If your system is as good as you promise, we may even consider a bulk purchase of 10.000 copies.

Kind regards,

Kenneth Idding

Think of what you could do with the money of 10.000 copies at 27.99 USD a piece, which totals 279900.00 USD You would emerge with a liberating feeling that will leave you on a high for days, I'm sure. It will not make you a millionaire, but you could buy a porche with it and impress all your friends. You deserve it, for you at fre2fret (or was it fret2fre?) do not do things in halves.

This is nothing less than the The Incredible Brand New, Never Seen Before Guitar Learning Breakthrough Bulk Purchase Deal!

sack of horseshit

I just seem to noticed that this "fret2fret" thing is actually showing the in advertising up top. Anyone thinks we should have it removed from being displayed at 4-ch?

Why?

i tried to limewire it, it did not work

can someone e-mail a link or the file since posting is obviously not allowed?

I'm worried about the mental capacity of people who expect to learn a musical instrument in less than a few years. YOU DUMB ASSES . . . Some software and books say they can teach you to play it hours or days, but the truth is all they teach you is one tune (and baddly). There is a bid difference between playing a few tunes even, and playing the guitar. I know lots of people who can play lots of bits of tunes well but can't hold a whole tune in a bucket. Oh, I forgot to mention I've been teaching guitar for over 20 years and I'm the founder of a guitar academy.

Many otherwise normal people with normal mental capacities from time to time act impulsively based on wishful thinking, think "O well, what can I loose, in the worst case only about 30 dollars?" and will try it. All those 30 bucks together will generate quite some money for that Mike, with which he can leave ads with links to his website in all sorts of places on the Internet. Enter the search string "fret2fret" in google and see the hundreds and hundreds of places where he links to his site. I estimate he may already have earned tons this way! In my previous two messages I was K.idding of course, but in this one I am dead serious! Cheers.

the fret2fret site had a guarantee on the peice of crap "software", but I have now discovered that there's no way to conatact the bums. What a scam! This guy needs to go down

you can't be serious .....even if you did learn all the notes....that still doesn't mean you can play.pure bs

Dear Mike,

This is amazing, I would never have considered this possible if I had not seen it with my own eyes: The cat has learned all the notes on the fretboard in 49 minutes! The animal had never touched a guitar before, but just after having learned these notes, it is playing pieces of Mozart in a way that would make Eric Clapton jealous!

No more mouse hunting for Lily thanks to your Truly Amazing Method! Lily has earned the admiration of all female cats of the neighborhood, too! Incredible! Amazing! Awesome!

Ok, here a serious message again, it seems clear how Mike may have gotten into this money-generating business:

In the google cache, it can still be looked up that he bought a guitar in 2004, after which he intends to start some serious guitar playing: http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:TD7jUWmOlZgJ:www.zager.com/ez-testimonials.htm+%22Mike+Slaiter%22&hl=en

He hired the copywriter Mike Powers to write the text on his Truly Amazing Method: http://www.adcopythatsells.com/

If you compare the text with which Mike Powers try to "sell himself" with that of the Truly Amazing Guitar Method, the ingredients and even the wording are almost identical!

> He hired the copywriter Mike Powers

or they're the same person.

Ha, was just looking at where the images were stored and found this:
www.fret2fret.com/images/rollmateorder.png
He's been selling drug paraphernalia too... that's always the mark of a respectable businessman, right?

OMG this isn't worth 30 bucks... anyway, you can get it from LimeWire or E-Mule I guess. Just search for fret2fret. It should be around 1,8 MB.

This is really simple stuff you were taught at kindergarten, not something amazing or spectacular. mind you, it may work, but you don't charge 30 bucks for this kids stuff!

> mind you, it may work, but you don't charge 30 bucks for this kids stuff!

Huh, if it works and brings in money I don't see why not.

I don't get it? Has the boat left the docks and I wasn't on it? How is learning all the notes on the fretboard teach you to play any kind of tune let alone make you a rock god? With this so called "guitar knowledge" of his, you can't even play twinkle twinkle little star.
I quote : You will be able to play all of your favourite songs... play their solos... and make your own up — knowing full well you're always playing the right notes." How do you know if you're playing the right notes? You know you're playing A note. You know what the note is called, but how do you know if it's the right one. He offers you no scale or mode diagrams, just a stupid "ancient Greek" method of memorising things faster. I highly doubt that there 2000 years old method involved Danni Devito kicking some football player in the crotch while Cher did a striptease for Castro who wasn't paying attention because he was too busy shaking in his Cuban boots, terrified of Arnold Schwarzeneeger and his two meter long blade.
Wow, I lost my train of thought here........looks like his method doesn't work after all.!!.!!

It works for my cat ;-)

Well guys, I have to tell you...I made it. I have a guitar, I know the fretboard. I can every single note on it!!! YOU won't be able to do so. Just wait for me to steal all great guitarrists of all times all of their fame. Thanks fret2fret...I worked out a great way of easy guitar playing taking all the notes you teached me. Now I can play everything

ps: by the way what I wanted to ask you. I'd like to know how to play that song I just heard. House of the Rising Sun it was called...can't figure out what note to start with....there are so many of them.

>>72

lol advertising

Jesus Christ. You suckers.

come on... i mean seriously. if you want to be good at any kind of insterment it takes more than knowing how to get a series of notes out. the years of practace give you personal Technique that you juest cant get out of a method like this. even if you had copleat control over the instrament and could play any kind of sheet music you are not playing music, as one of my musical thery professers said

" dots on a pice of paper is not music...music is a cobanation of personal Technique and a structure of notes. furthermore, juest "playing" the notes on the page sounds flat(not like an actual flat note but juest laking Technique)"

fret2fret is not a method IMHO. It is just one single mnemonic to learn that one single pattern that Fumble Fingers described above by heart. That's the balloon, the rest is the air in the balloon.

I do think that Mike or his copywriter must have a sense of humor, you can credit him for that at least.

don't know if anyone has thought of this: i ya can be I rock god by just memorizing the fretboard, than you could do the same with any other instrument.

you will aslo be a violon-god cuz it has frets... and what if you learnt to memorize each notes on the piano? would you be a chopin-like-god-pianiste-in-45-min?

in conclusion: if his trick is so f**cking good, it would work for any instruments. so therefore in one day or two you could master all instruments... :)

good bye! (i better start right now)

something new: check out this shit

http://www.projectslist.biz/freelance/Flash/fret2fret-ver2/

mike has asked for programmers to work on his flash application for him. he was ready to pay 50 bucks.... I guess he must of have fooled quiet a lot of people if he was ready to pay that money.

Probably this feedback is from the programmer who earned the 50 bucks? https://www.scriptlance.com/cgi-bin/freelancers/feedback.cgi?w=mslaiter

See also: http://www.scriptlance.com/projects/1115843651.shtml

Aha, on 25 April he made this description, that is probably about his system:

http://www.scriptlance.com/projects/1114431364.shtml

This amazing secret is simply that from the low E to the A, from the A to the D, from the D to the G, and from the B to the high E there are five half-steps, and four half steps between the G and the B string.

His breakthrough is the pattern they follow, which you could have figured out for yourself if you didn't already know this:

A D G C F A# D# G# C# F# B E, except that because there are four--not five--half step from the G to the B string, you go back a half step on the B string. WOW!

Here's a free mnemonic device:

All Dogs Go Cat Fighting. All Sharp Dogs# Go# Chase# Sharp
A D G C F A# D# G# C# F#

Foxes w/ Big Ears.

     B   E

See the pattern? That'll be $30 please.

To be fair all this fret2fret program does is give u a guided explaination to all the notes on a guitar. I'd say if u don't kno how to download stuff and u don't kno anyone who can explain it then it's probably worth the money.

Personally go to limewire.com and download the software as it does teach u the notes..

thanx all of u? kind people

thought it could be interesting...

30 buxxx?

no way

=)))

Lesson of the day: never trust google ads, this guy needs some serious sodimising. But come on, in this day in age full of 10 year old hackers and p2p programs, who pays for anything off the interenet!

Thanks for posting the download link Bassist.

When I first saw his site, I also found it very amateur looking, but still I was a bit curious.

But after I downloaded the "program", I had to laugh.
It's more like a PowerPoint presentation, consisting of 6 pages. This is not worth any money at all.

I've just started playing guitar and it's tempting when I found the fret2fret website but it sounded so awful; seriously if a guy can fill that much space with just basically saying'you will be a master guitarist with this' then he must talk shite.

Here is an uncyclopedia article on the fret2fret system, feel free to contribute to it! http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Fret2fret

>>88

lololol GOOD JOB!

>>83
Okay, last warning: No direct links to free download places for pay software! Next one warrants a ban.

See also: http://www.bluepower.com/2005/07/hello-fret2fretcomare-you-there.html

Haha, I was laughing my ass of when I read his webpage. So what he is actually explaining is the circle of fifths?!!! I was wondering what his big "secret" could be, I was hoping for some kind of recipe to make a drug which would genetically alter your DNA to sound like Eric Clapton, hey I would pay 30 bucks for that. I am a professional musician (violinist, composer, conductor) and a musical theory teacher and I have been practicing my instrument for over 20 years for 4 to 6 hours a day and I was listening to a live recording sent to me by the record company that is planning to market it and I was disgusted hearing myself at times on this cd; thus: practice, practice, practice for many more years to come :) If you want some solid theory explanations visit http://www.jazzcenter.org . It is totally free and most of the stuff is good. I wrote it like when I was eightteen and there are some things that need to be changed but it can still help people who want to know about some basic music theory!

You are right, it is the circle of fifths! Plus a simple basic mnemonic to memorize it, which he claims to be his invention! But do not tell anyone, for it is a secret ;-)

I cannot believe some of you thought of buying fret2fret when it is such an obvious con. It only makes me think of producing my own wanky product with fantastic claims.

Unpopular Popstar, I was thinking of exactly that, and then donate the hundreds of thousands of dollars it would generate to some charity.

Basically...from reading these testimonials..this is what you have to learn!!!!!!!

Bass go here!!
http://www.gtrdan.com/images/fretboard04_bass.gif

Guitar go here!!!
http://www.woodenpicks.com/sitebuilder/images/notes_per_fret2-620x138.jpg

Thats basically it!!!!!!! Also....if you need help..go to www.apassionforjazz.com dont let the name fool you...it gives u pics of the scales...modes..and all tyat good stuff...even if you are just starting its really easy to pick up. And when you learn the fretboard and the major and minor scales...then advance to mixelydian (spelled???) or Fridgeon....you'll know what I'm talking bout soon. It's amazing what you can learn on the internet for FREE....no 30 bux for u guys!!!

I'm sorry...its www.apassionforjazz.net my bad!!! its DEFINATELY worth a check out

me again......ok..now i feel like an idiot for giving u guys the wrong name for the site AGAIN.....its fuckin """""www.apassion4jazz.net"""""""" thats it!!!!! dammit

can any send me that zip file so that i could teach my cats and dogs in 45 minutes. Plz. send the zip to my add. jromsway@yahoo.co.in

> Unpopular Popstar

That's just the default Anonymous name on here, i.e. what appears as your name when you don't put anything in there.
See also http://4-ch.net/wiki/default_names

Since ordering Fret2Fret I am at the top of my game! This software is incredible! I now know all the notes on my air guitar. I have just aquired an agent and have signed a contract as an opening act for Poison. Fret2Fret you have changed my life!

>>101
That "software" is about as incredible as your propoganda sales skills, idiot !

I'm making bets that you're Mike Slaiter.

> on my air guitar.

I think he's kidding.

WHOOPS. My righteous ass didn't see that ^^;

James and others, I added your comment to a new Testimonials section in the article on uncyclopedia: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Fret2fret

I hope others will also add fictive testimonials :-)

See also this thread on another board: http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=184193&page=1&pp=20

I also linked to this board from there!

Wow...what a total load of shit! I was reading it, I was interested when I saw the link here, but reading that pitch... Total shit from a person totally full of shit.

Wow...what a total load of shit! I was reading it, I was interested when I saw the link here, but reading that pitch... Total shit from a person totally full of shit.

Sorry for the double post...now triple...

Yet another thread, here it is mentioned Mike Slaiter also has an amazing way of doing... horse betting :-))) http://www.guitartricks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13724&page=1

Good grief, here someone does fall for it: http://www.bluepower.com/

i read the site and i thougt it was quite funny.....what kind of a dumbass would actually fall for all that propaganda and even if they did why would they pay for it? any software that you have to pay for can be downloaded for free on limewire

Another thread on it, I must admit it is a way to become famous! http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=381304&page=1&pp=25

BTW, here is that horse betting thing, you think this is the same Mike Slaiter? ;-) http://out2u.com/

>>114
>>90

Thanks, I went and got it for free. I read the story, went up and down the fret board a few times and now I know what notes I am playing. It works! The story is so wacky it has to work and I find myself laughing as I realize what note I am on.

However, it certainly does not give you the ability to play. You still have to know your scales and put in lots of practice. But even knowing scales, I have found myself getting lost on the fretboard many times. Especially when trying to move around too much. This tool will help to find the right note to start on wherever I am at on the fretboard.

So, his advertisement is very missleading in that he says you will be able to play any song you want and be able to know that you are playing the right notes. Knowing what notes you are playing does not make them right.

So I think it's a bit of a rip off if you pay the $30 for it. Then on the other hand I guess you have to look at it like you are buying the free guitar tab that he sends to you. Assuming he sends it and it is worth anything. I've seen a lot of bad guitar tab before.

Hope this helps someone.

Yeah I got the software and it works great.

I'm certain this is the software that Clapton and BB King used.

That's why they smile a lot when they play. ;)

You have to smile when you're playing in the key of Danny Deveto. And when you feel down you can play in the key of Fidel Castro.

All the great musicians have known this secret all along.

Now you know why BB plays the blues. Fidel punched a whole in his guitar. Ha Ha Ha Ha Haaahhh....I'm on my way to fame and fortune.

>>>>BTW, here is that horse betting thing, you think this is the same Mike Slaiter? ;-) http://out2u.com/

One and the same. Here'e the whois for out2u and fret2fret. I was checking the bluepower whois to see if he by some chance the domain was owned by the same person, but if it is, he was at least smart enough to use a straw buyer.

Registrant:
mike slaiter
42 barrington close
taunton, somerset TA1 4YD
UK

Domain name: OUT2U.COM

Registrant:
mike slaiter
42 barrington close
taunton
somerset, ta1 4yd
UK

Domain name: FRET2FRET.COM

Good idea, bassman, that is very clear!

>>25 == >>7
lol

Mike Slaiter must be a genius. Within 34 minutes I was telepathically playing my telecaster from at least a ten metre range. I may increase that to 20 by tomorrow. I am thinking of trying a couple of his supplement products; cheek2cheek for champion ballroom dancing tuition in 60 minutes. Or was it some kind of aphrodisiac for homosexual couples? Also try bet2regret, it cured my gambling addiction. 60 bucks all in. Con artist.

Oh Come on!!!
The secret is bullshit!!!
Make me laugh!!!
I was wondering what the fuck is this so called "secret", and then you talk about a pre-school kid theory...
LOLOLOL

You must pay me 30$... lololol

:P

>>125
No.

How is that some say it is and others declar it isnt a worthy nor ligitament also those that curse its truth has it been determined most of those are dissatisfyed purchasers, isnt there someone who has purchased this material make it available
on a website for those who wish to chalenge its integrity. I also am unclear and uncertain and more confussed by the comparisons. This appears to be like George W Bush Verses Jim Keery in politics you never get absolute truth olny versions
and a lot of mud slinging. I was very much considering to try this as to rise above the ranks of a biginer w/ a passion for the insturments beauty and its ability as tool didnt seem to matter iwas just in awe to artisic beauty.However now ihave a deeper passion for learning more. Wishing that someone will research this issue and perhaps if we had someone more reputable in the music industry to ither indorce this teaching
or through out the baby and bath water it was bathed in!!
gixxersuzzie@yahoo.com

>>127
It is a pile of crap. There are no shortcuts to musical prowess, only hard work.

On a side note:

>George W Bush Verses Jim Keery in politics you never get absolute truth olny versions

If you have no invested interest in either, then you can assume that they are both evil lying scumbags.

wai wai! dqn dqn!

Use link http://www.fret2fret.com/guitar.zip and choose exe file from list. I guess that`s what is this discussion about ;)

I have never touched a guitar in my life (but really want to learn), lets see if this program is going to teach me anything (like his so called 7 year old son did). And yeah I'm going to download it for free on that stupid link. Seriously, how could he overlook that...

Here is the link. ww.fret2fret.com/guitar.exe

I just downloaded it. $30 is way too expensive; but I think the technique is very good!

Thanks Boss,

Just downloaded F2F. I can't help thinking that this is a variation of the "magic number sequence". In this system, the scales were chopped into smaller pieces and given numbers. The numbers were in the form of a telephone number, which was easily remembered. The idea was that you just followed the numbers, it worked really well, still does I suppose.

The difference is, that F2F gives you letters instead, which I guess helps you learn the note names. Like some of you are saying, it doesn't make you a better player, only blood sweat and tears can do that. I believe that Steve Vai practices for 12 hours per day. Maybe that's the secret.

I guess that Mike is English, as he uses Gary Linnekker.

Wow, this thread is 16th on google for "fret2fret"

cats and dogs learning to play guitar in only 45 minutes...yeah, right...like that could happen
(however, I heard there's this great product out there that can teach people to play in like an hour or something...I think it's called fred-to-fred...

Apparently Mike must like to play golf in his spare time when not thinking up astounding brain-power methods... Sandy Lyle and J Haas are some of the testimonials on his site. Knob.

Lets took his "software" and delete last two frets (also delete some arnold and deni devito).So we can sell it as "supreme bass playing software you ll be better than flea!" for only 25.99...

what a joke! nooooo way anyone is taching anything for that! i'm glad i didn't give a fuckin penny for the shit, cause on www.fret2fret.com/guitar.zip, he leaved it open, and we could download it for free.
maybe it's because i'm from norway i didn't understand the shit, but this guy said his son on only 7 teached this, and i'm twelve, and i understand english. helooo...

anyway, it wasn't worth anything, maybe it's possible to learn anything, but i didn't learn anything that i didn't could do in the first place.

i was disappointed about the fret2fret. not only could you download it for free, but it sucked.

I got it for free cause the sucka didn't close the files for public download.

I think it's not very bad indeed but (its just another way to do it), i play and my own technique is much better than this one. How can this guy ask for 30 $? its just fuckin crazy!!!

If u wanna play really good, spent ure time (years that is!), practice every day, go to classes, get into a group, & learn all about the instrument u love. That's the secret. & time; cause if u make that every day, there'll be a day that ur hands play alone, & ure ear knows exactly what its gonna sound if u play a fret (not trying to think bout it). Thats the secret of the real talented guys. They know exactly what sound (NOT note) its gonna ring out of his guitar if playin here or there.

I don't think the technique sucks. It really helps remembering the notes very quickly by using that "imagination strategy" I've often heard about on TV. It is certainly more effective than trying to learn all the notes by heart.
But you must not make the mistake of thinking, once you've learnd all the notes, that you can play like Steve Vai or Eric Clapton. This is totally unrealistic. In fact this method only helps remembering the fretboard, it doesn't teach anything about technique or speed. Don't believe everything the guy writes on his page ("play any chord in any shape anywhere on the guitar neck in the speed of light" for example).
The method is good as a small step to better understanding the instrument and I doubt it's worth the $28.

PS: The links still work, downloaded it today ;-)

I don't think the technique sucks. It really helps remembering the notes very quickly by using that "imagination strategy" I've often heard about on TV. It is certainly more effective than trying to learn all the notes by heart.
But you must not make the mistake of thinking, once you've learnd all the notes, that you can play like Steve Vai or Eric Clapton. This is totally unrealistic. In fact this method only helps remembering the fretboard, it doesn't teach anything about technique or speed. Don't believe everything the guy writes on his page ("play any chord in any shape anywhere on the guitar neck in the speed of light" for example).
The method is good as a small step to better understanding the instrument and I doubt it's worth the $28.

PS: The links still work ;-)

If you fall for this shit you deserve to be ripped off.

i'm from barcelona and i've heard about this "incredible and amazing" technique. i'm not believing it, anyway i'd like to try iy cause i'm playing the bass and now i want to learn how to plat the guitar. could someone send me the files¿? tahnks a lot.

here's my email: urinet2@hotmail.com

And, would you believe, the link on the third post of this site is still allowing
you to download it for free!!!!

does anyone know a quick technique for learning how to play chords easily?

http://rapidshare.de/files/8446653/otherstuff.rar.html

use this with the exe.

enjoy

That's the link is working now, go ahead and download the shit. Try this Mike:

Arnold is F*cking B.B.King, Devito y f*cking Cher, Fidel and Einstein are watching but at the end, somebody is going to F*CK YOU FOR BEING A F*CKING THIEF!!!

hahahahahaha!!!

A kick in the *ss to all those losers who paid for this sh*t!!!

>>150

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Stupid Americans!!!

I'm Norwegian.
PS Censorship is for idiots.

i think he meant to write fucking, fucking, fuck, fucking, ass and shit

but don't quote me on that

ps. guitar suxxe bass winnse

fret2fret load of shite downloaded it from limewire for free
just get a book and do it properly

This addy works:

http://www.fret2fret.com/Fret2fret.zip

It's not even a proper program - its made in flash

HAHHA!

I am only 14 years of age and I was thinking of buying this. And now I find out it's just a big piece of 5 page crap. Lately I have been unhappy because the one thing I love doing I don't think I will have a future in. Then I hear about this thing and I was all excited at the fact that soon I could be playing like my idols. And now I find out that my dream may never come true. I can't wait to dance on your grave you bastard.

>>159
your dream may still come true if you practice enough and get yourself some fine marketing.

>>159
You can become Big In Japan™!

Thanks,

That makes me feel a little better.

Dis program is off the HOOK! And it made my penis bigger!

looks like mike spent more time writing how amazing his programme is than writing the programme itself..

I just got this 'progressive rhythm guitar''by gary turner and brenton white' book to teach me the basics its really good anyone could write it i think but its worth teaching yourself as much as you can before you have lessons to save money.

Could you send me the email address for Mike Slaiter? I want to write him about his fret2fret system. Thanks.

Do you have an email address for Mike Slaiter? I want to write him about his system. Thanks.

YEAH! Dis program is MAD phat yo!

It's da jizza in da hizzouz!

Fret2fret is like gettin' a mad cRaZy case of da crabs yo!

Some things are so amazing they blow you away, you never forget them, they are IMPRINTED in your mind....but fret2fret is not one of those things. TRUE!!!

http://www.fret2fret.com/guitar.exe
for free

http://www.fret2fret.com/guitar.exe
for free

hahahaha the site sux that bad??? wow, thanks XD

sucked up..the software is bull and its too expensive.. anyway its sth exciting..hehehe

http://www.fret2fret.com/guitar.exe

one day my mate dave gave me a guitar ..then he told me about fret2fret then i became a guitar god at the local old people home ..then my parents sent me to a mental institution for having an imaginary friend called dave

hi i am thinking about buy the software but has any1 here bought it before and if so plz tell whether i should or not

thx :)

hi i am thinking about buy the software but has any1 here bought it before and if so plz tell whether i should or not

thx :)

LOL! i almost bought it but i then noticed the link..........sighs i really wish i could play like clapton or kurt.

anyone have some REAL! ways to improve?
im 12 and feel like im starting to not improve at all

:s

Hah, I got the program for free, now I just have to sit down and look trough it. It may be a pile of crap, but I think I can get a tip or two helping me with the guitarplay.

Learning the fretboard would be awesome.

I just downloaded this crap for free to see what all the fuss was about. I couldn't delete the shit quick enough from my PC. I have been playing for 12 years, and this is the biggest load of shit I have ever seen. This guy is a total WANKER and a rip off to any sucker who paid for it!!

I downloaded this thing and I get a ".exe" file (what the fuck is that?). My Mac tries to open in Photoshop and then it gives me a message that it has a bad droplet and won't open. Is this a bad file or does it only work on PCs?

>>181
couldn't run it on my freebsd amd64 system either...

> $ ./guitar.exe
> MZ$

here's what file says about it...

> $ file guitar.exe
> guitar.exe: MS-DOS executable (EXE), OS/2 or MS Windows

Fret2Fret is an okay program
i downloaded the flash player thing and wasted 40 minutes of my life
now i kinda know the fretboard the system of fret2fret is so damn confusing

>>183 is giving me a headache.

the notes explained:
http://www.wolfmans.com/lessons/personal_lesson2.php

lol

the 'SECRET order of notes'?!?! thats the circle of fifths!
i know all the theory around this but my guitar playing sucks, if what he's saying is true than any kid who's taken gcse music would be able to 'play like clapton and hendrix' even if they'd never touched a guitar before!

well i just downloaded it from that zip. i learnt the notes, but im definately no bass god yet. learnin the notes isnt going to make you good. i gotta say its a peice of shit software. Now i can walk away knowing that ive wasted 10 minutes of my life when i could have played a few songs.

>>181
Go back to the site and get the /guitar.hqx
That one works for Mac.

The .hqx works on the Mac. It looks pretty damn hokey to me, thanks for saving me $30 (not that I was actually going to buy it).
http://www.fret2fret.com/guitar.zip

thank fuck i read this, i was gonna buy it ffs.

Pick a note a day.

Say, THE C# at the 2nd string, 2nd fret: 2/2 for short. Work out in your head where it is everywhere else on the guitar, that would be:

3/6, 4/11, 5/16 (6/21) - last in brackets, 'cos I have a classical.

As you visualise EACH location, ALSO visualise the note - 2nd space down from top line on musical stave - this'll also speed up learning the stave.

Do this whenever stuck in traffic, waiting in queues, whatever. End of that day, you'll know darned well EVERYWHERE where that note is.

Ditto next day - different note. There are about 3.5 octaves on the guitar = 3.5 X 12 different notes = 42 notes total (depends how many frets you have).

If you keep the above prescription up rigorously, in 42 days, or so, you'll know where ALL the notes on the guitar are.

So if you take it more leisurely, and it takes you 80 days? Big deal. ;-)

Probably the best darned guitar teacher in the World. ;-)

P.S: Anybody who sent their $30 off, should ask for it back, and send it to me. ;-)

why buying fret2fret if you can comfortably download it from its own site?

Good question, >>193.

That Slaiter guy is such a dumbfuck.

He's like explaining the mystery of the succes of being a guitar god in a stupid FLASH application, not to mention in 5 pages?
Really man what were you thinking, to make a program to rip off gullible people?

"If you've ever wanted to pick up a guitar at a party and blow your friends away..."
Oh yeah sure, I'll go ask a guitar at the bar next time.

"...become very popular with everyone, especially the opposite sex!"
You should invent some love potion instead! Terpentine is not a potion.

Really people don't buy this motherabuser it's definatly not worth the money, I'd rather buy many picks with $30.

the whole thing is that he filled his page with a crap load of... crap ( :) ) and every beguiner guitarist got excited. so every 12yr old starts bothering his/hers parents to buy them the thing. => mike make money 4 free.. its just like me n my band. we put like... 0.30 $ per ticket to our concert and the whole highschool comes and we make like 50Ş bucks (in my country, romania, that is allot). the whole difference is that we can actually play :)

such a fuckin idiot... everybody can just download it for free.. the thing WAS DESIGNED FOR IDIOTS

yeah...that fret2fret flash thing really pointless....waste of time, learned nothing worth spending 30 bux on. good thing I found all the links you posted before i ended up paying for it lol

bumping a legendary thread.

wait, not i'm not, because this thread is closed. come again kthx.

the link to the program is still in #3 if the moderator wanted to delete it too.

it's a pc application. Seems like you can only run it on 32's not 64's.

Happy Happy Shitheads CEO's At Intel and AMD--got a lot of games and applications that i need to run on my old machine. Waste of space and clear old stupidty on your side; not making all the"old" stuff backward compatible.

Anyone got a solution so I don't have to run cirkles in HATE -mode

Thanx

MM

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everybody's saying how he's a dumbass, but think of all the people that actually bought it, and not this elite group here that were smart enough to know it's bullshit. he's probably nice and cozy now from all the dumbasses that bought it.

To get it for free try limewire...

I downloaded it and have read thru it fast.

I don't see anything that deserves the very angry comments here - well, except maybe for his overselling the concept to an insane degree on his website.

Basicly, it's just a simple little mnemo-technique that could probably work fine.

Will it make u into a new Brian May? Of course not, silly u! But as I can immediately judge it, it's a fair attempt to give a technique that may work.

i can now play like brian may after buying fret2fret. all of my friends say i am the best they've ever heard. i am not related to mike slaiter

hey Paul, thanks for trying to stick up for me and my product, but why do you claim not to be related to me anymore??? Don't you have the guts to tell them you're my brother-in-law? Or did something happen between you and Sally?
Call me after work, okay?

Hey peeps.im from trinidad in d caribbean,i mean of $30US thats $180. in my country.this is a waste,but it did help me a bit.this program should be free!!!

lol this is such a rip off, i was sooo into it at first, i was thinking "amazing, how can i possible lose" then i wanted to see if i could get it for free, and no web site has ever heard of it then i typed it in google and found this fourm, thx god i didnt buy it

lol this is such a rip off, i was sooo into it at first, i was thinking "amazing, how can i possible lose" then i wanted to see if i could get it for free, and no web site has ever heard of it then i typed it in google and found this fourm, thx god i didnt buy it

It is true, he is a con-artist and the 'software' is only a 5 page flash player that tells you to remember an actors name for each note. D is Danny Devito, A is Arnold Swartzenneger. So remember he says, Arnold is holding Danny Devito up by the legs.... (A is next to D, strings are tuned to a fourth, Duh.)

ANd that's the end. His little dumbass 'story' to help you locate a note. And the bonus software are all free apps from other sites.

While this might help you remember where a D is in relation to an A, that's not the stumbling point when trying to master guitar, and it doesn't make you a guitar player, any more than being able to find a C and an F makes you play the piano real well. He doesn't allow for the third tuning between the G and B strings, either. And how expressively are you going to play if you are always thinking of - duh - danny devito and Cher...?

Knowing where the notes are has nothing to do with guitar solo-ing, unless you are trying to play off of sheet music, and that is not guitar playing in the sense that we know it, in the sense that will impress anyone... in a nutshell the software is not software, it is a flash player, it could have been a PDF or a text document. It is not very good. And it does not improve any aspect of playing. You can only find a note on the fretboard if you already know where another note is.

You want to know the big problem? Advanced guitarist he is NOT. And he is trying to sit by the beach and get rich by ripping off real guitarists.

Look at www.claws2paws.com

same mugshot of Mike Slaiter but here he is a cat lover. Same page layout, different text, another ripoff.

He doesn't seem to care about anyone, he just changes the text and targets a different group. Even the website names are almost the same. How many of these sites do you suppose he has? Hope he gets what he deserves. You know that's something real bad.

And Hank.. you say you downloaded it and don't see that it deserves the angry comments. Tell me, did you PAY for it? If you did, you'd be angry. Guitar Case Closed.

Followup: disputed the transaction with paypal and got a refund.

Apparantly cat-lover/advanced guitarist slaiter doesn't even respond to paypals dispute e-mails, as he is making quite enough. And if you all are looking for a piece of software that really DOES teach you the fretboard, I discovered "Absolute Fretboard Trainer".

http://www.absolutefretboard.com/

Which actually is an interactive program that gives you drills and measures your progress.

PEACE

this is bull shit

Ok guys, here is the link, copy and paste this to the address bar. Once you are there go to the 2nd result page at the bottum and click guitar.exe or bass.exe. Thats the software, a flash. Some of you might say it helps. But if you payed for that $30 stuff, you would be very mad. Did anyone buy this? If you did, did you get all those free gifts that are supposed to be worth $300?

oops i forgot to put the link
here it is.

http://www6.streamload.com/Nodes/Node.asp?cxInstID=25259315&nodeID=224841

can we please stop posting in this legendary thread? or at least sage when you post? there's nothing new that can possibly be added here. the internet thanks you.

>>216
They are all coming from google.
They have no clue what is going on.

4-ch is for idiots.

there's one now

Google have been notified.

Can we please permasage this thread?

This fret2fret program is total bullshit....
the last graphic is useful but the method is so CRAP !!!
i'd rather spend a million hours on my guitar

>>222

go do that, then, and while you're at it quick fucking bumping noobs.

>>223
Ok! ...(strum)(strum)(strum)

Well I just reviewed the software, and yes for me it's a BIG stretch to learn in 60 mins, or in 1 day for that matter. Like others have said, it's just a memory concept ... that can be applied to other things in life, but for me ... not worth $30. Glad I did have to purchase it. Scam??? yes and no, depends on if you think you can actually apply this concept without going stir crazy. I have been playing guitar for 20 yrs, and this is not much help for me. Easiest way to get it is, P2P software.

>>225
dude, if you've been playing for 20 years and don't know the fretboard inside out and backwards, give up now. no software is gonna help you.

SO I tried the fucking thing, and guess what! I think I'm riped off! Damn it! this sucks! I knew this was a bad Idea, I love the guitar and I first believed it but I was like naahh I can learn it slowly cause thats fair, but then I wanted to learn to play the guitar faster and faster, so u know that paypall regestresion they have. Well Its bull! It asks u to write information and then it doesnt ask u to write a password and after u give em your info it leads u to a page where you have to write your user name AND pasword but they dont even ask you for the password or email it to you!!! Fuck! THis shit sucks! I'm ashamed of my self know.

On "Japan Video Topics", the long running series of videos produced by Japan's Ministry of Foriegn Affairs to promote tourism, the inventor of Yamaha's EZ-AG Guitar (no strings, light up frets) said that when he was learning to play the guitar, he was "having great difficulty learning chords". That's why he created the EZ-AG.

I just thought it was funny that he found it easier to create a hi-tech guitar, than memorizing guitar chords.

http://music.yamaha.com/products/main.html?productId=189

Only as funny as you people finding it easier to bump the thread than to let it die the death it should've died months ago?

thanks everyone for venting on this. i would have spent money on what would have been a piece of crap. special thanks to "hellawaits" for adding in the website that just shows you the notes and where they are located on the guitar. some people like myself are self teaching and just need something to look at and learn. one question is there any advice that any of you can give for finger techniques to help with eye-hand coordination. any help much obliged. just started 1 week ago and would like some advice from you experienced folk. thanks

Check out this instead of fret2fret, it's much cheaper and much better. Go to http://fretmasters.com to see what I mean.

Check out this instead of fret2fret, it's much cheaper and much better. Go to http://fretmasters.com to see what I mean.

Download our software for FREE which has a fretboard trainer and chord and scale library.
UNLIKE fretboard warrior - you can practice the entire fretboard without having to pay. If you shoudl decide to make a donation then we give you access to tons of stuff... and we've now included a mnemonic memory technique like Fret2Fret - only better! ha!
You can still use my cool software WITHOUT donating though!

sorry... link is http://www.tabguitarlessons.com

Type in fret2fret on limewire and you got it!

I got it, and saved myself 30$.

http://www.fret2fret.com/fret2fret.pdf

this is probably the whole method :)

this isnt software dont download this shit.limewire,programs get it for free and have a laugh.

Most people would know all the notes on a piano within an hour. But they would still have no idea how to play the very simplest tune. Same with the guitar. Knowing where the notes are is a basic reference, and little more.

ive been playing guitar since i was 10 and i turn 19 in a little over a week, its something i take very seriously and enjoy, you cant teach someone how to play guitar by showing them where the notes on on a fret board, if guitar was that easy and if youre like 60 something maybe you could of told kirt cobain the secert to guitar because i think he sucked and im tired of people telling me how god he was, one more nirvana song i might shot my self in the head

>>239
go do so please.

is there a version to mac? for this fret2fret? kuz i wana tryit for free but i dunno if i can find any program for mac.

Yes there is, it's just a flash program.

Well.... If you want to know for sure, and this should end this whole thread...

fret2fret.com
claws2paws.com

Ya... That's all you need to see, and you tell me whether or not he's the "Advanced Guitarist, Instructor, and Celebrated Inventor" that he claims to be...

Basically all he's done is found something to sell, and know he's selling it. Regardless of that fact, it's $28.95 or whatever for a memory tool... Okay, maybe the guy doesn't know F-All about the guitar, but maybe this 'tool' that he has 'discovered' can help... And if not... Maybe you're cat's diet isn't good for it... LoL... Check out the sites if you didn't get that reference...

Ciao,
FinalStraw

What if I told you all that I could teach you the entire fretboard in 5 minutes? If you know your ABC's it's not so hard.

it's bloggs like these that make blogging socially acceptable

As a pro guitarist, I have been playing the guitar not for 45 minutes, but for about 45 years now, and I still do not consider myself a genius guitar player. Am I a dumb asshole ? Or am I right in suggesting that fine guitar playing comes with lots of talent plus many many years of never ending learning and training, and NOT with just spending thirty bucks and one hour of memorising the fretboard.

>>245

This is not a blog. Blogs are soap boxes where some guy gets up and holds speeches, and others cheer him on. 4-ch is:

> 4-ch is a website for anonymous discussion, allowing people to talk about a variety of subjects.
> http://4-ch.net/

the method vali but his advertising is misleading you obviously have to make an effort

Well i don´t bealive in fret to fret but bealive in this one
www.ruiluis.com/Fret2note/index.html i download their demo and this really helps learning the fretboard, but not only you also train your ear capabilities!
awsome

>>12

>>12 http://www.fret2fret.com/download1.html

>>12 Here is the download site. Try it for yourself. http://www.fret2fret.com/download1.html

WTF!!!! I actually believed this jerk ass! he deserve to be smited down, what a whore.. -_-

what about www.ruiluis.com/Fret2note/index.html anybody tyed it yet? free to download and try!

Fair play to the guy for doing this...although if any of you are intrested, heres a link to his entire picture folder (this does include other scams of his along with drugs).

Link:- http://www.fret2fret.com/images/
(yea, simple html I know =D).

Also, if your intrested again, he does infact have an e-bay account which still works (to my limited knowledge).

UsrID:- mslaiter

...Also on a side note, arresting him would be fairly easy, grab ahold of his I.P from e-bay and boom, I can put you in his street, you'll have to find his house.

Fair play to the guy for doing this...although if any of you are intrested, heres a link to his entire picture folder (this does include other scams of his along with drugs).

Link:- http://www.fret2fret.com/images/
(yea, simple html I know =D).

Also, if your intrested again, he does infact have an e-bay account which still works (to my limited knowledge).

UsrID:- mslaiter

...Also on a side note, arresting him would be fairly easy, grab ahold of his I.P from e-bay and boom, I can put you in his street, you'll have to find his house.

Sorry for the double post. I was just laggin' abit there...

FretMasters is much better and cheaper.

does it acctually come with all those extras and do they work?

Wtf?

http://www.fret2fret.com/images/offficial5.jpg

eyy people..
its just another guy who is trying to make some bucks..
its shamefull how some people kan be..

here are all the links if people still need them..
then you can see what kind of crap it is..

www.fret2fret.com/fret.exe
www.fret2fret.com/GuitarPro.zip
www.fret2fret.com/Fretboard%20Warrior.exe
www.fret2fret.com/bassfret.exe
www.fret2fret.com/UltimateGuitarTone.zip

LOL

WTF people are STILL bumping this fucking thread? GTFO.

dis thread rulez!

Sure Does

I'm just posting to piss off the guy who keeps bitching about bumping this thread! LOL!

If you're interested in software that can teach you to master the guitar in less than 60 minutes, I have something you'll really love: Magic Beans!

Hurry, though. A major bean grower is offering me so much for them, they may not be available much longer!!!

<s>fret2fret</s>bean2bean.com

im am a proffesional giutarist, i have been on tour w/ pink floyd, metallica, iron maiden,eric clapton, carlos santana along w/ many others, all you lazy asshole have to do is practice every day for aproximately 7 hours and you will maste it.

im am a proffesional giutarist, i have been on tour w/ pink floyd, metallica, iron maiden,eric clapton, carlos santana along w/ many others, all you lazy asshole have to do is practice every day for aproximately 7 hours and you will maste it.

im am a proffesional giutarist, i have been on tour w/ pink floyd, metallica, iron maiden,eric clapton, carlos santana along w/ many others, all you lazy asshole have to do is practice every day for aproximately 7 hours and you will maste it.

>>270
Jesus knows when you lie.

I'LL MASTE YOU

>>266
lol, joke's on you, i stopped reading this forum. first time i've been here since >>263 and i'm not seeing much new. bump away.

FretMasters!

this thread is so old, it should have a pension. Oh and fret2fret just rocks so so utterly. I've recently died and fret2fret told me how to play the mandolin, despite the fact I have no fingers anymore. It also told me how to type using my toungue, which explains why you're stuck reading this shit. Ha!

this guy has made nearly $US150 000 on ebay..
so i guess it cant be that bad..
pitty for him i downloaded it without paying haha

You're suggesting profit is a good indicator of quality?

lmfao this guy just got sued for fraud lmfao what a retard

>>275
I'll Maste you good!

Oooh,i was just wonderin' if any of ;p u guys could (pretty please) tell me a link or explain me how this "Greek memorising technique" works ^_^

Oooh,i was just wonderin' if any of ;p u guys could (pretty please) tell me a link or explain me how this "Greek memorising technique" works ^_^

...sorry 'bout the repeating didn't i push it twice... '-'

You times that frequency by a factor of ten!?

posting again in a legendary thread!

>>77

a violin doesn't have frets, unless you're in fourth grade and your teacher sticks those little tapes on the fingerboard...

yeah, violin: not for wimps.

viola, on the other hand?...

Yea, i guess u're right but... what is the trick?! :]

I was trying to say i'm sorry about the "threading" and what
frequncy by factor of ten?!
Btw i'm allmost fourteen so get lost 77

I just got the new fre2fret system... wow... amazing...
It taught me everything i needed to know. The notes, that is. Now i can solo like Jimmi Hendrix.

Only problem is, i dont know what any of the notes sound like. I dont know any scales. Infact, i dont even know how to pick properly! But thanks for taking my $30 and bathing in caviar.

GREAT ONE MIKE!
CANT WAIT TO TRY THE NEW a2b2c system.
Taught me my ABC in no time. 30 pages of powerpoint about
A * B * C.

xD

the page in fret2fret actually makes you want to buy it, i dont think it works, in 60 minutes?...right

does it work btw?

I tried this horrible product. I got free tabs, and that was cool. But don't waste your time if you plan to memorize the fretboard it's just a numonic.

www.fretboardwarrior.com

Now, thats where it's at.
And it's completly free.

This is an idiotic thing to buy learning every fretboard by memory doesn't mean everything you also need to play the chords correctly which is an whole other thing, also learn to strum well learn bout scales you cannot play like a 'proffesional' in 60 mins if you gonna buy this shit learn scales,picking and strumming technique this is fuckn no good if you dont have scales whoever made this should be shot and i didnt buy this peice of crap as you can download it for free easily from the same site he gives you it from the dumbshit.

THIS SOFTWARE IS A FUCKING CRAP!!!!

I can even imagine this guy promoting this like he did in that webpage, while laughing out loud...
What a person like this does is taking the guitar as a stupid instrument, which could be perfectly handled in an hour... unbelievable!
Im 15 yr old, and i've been whith the guitar since 13, and i can assure u that with a little effort, u can memorize a lot of notes in a short time, dependingyour dedication... My god, furthermore, the only thing he shows you is the notes on the fifth fret... AND WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT WHILE TUNING YOUR GUITAR??? In addition, as some of u said, it's very clear that remembering notes by hearth doesn't mean being a pro, or something like that, u should learn scales, chords, etc... By the way, i didn't buy this, obviously... By putting "fret2fret" on a p2p client, you should manage well to have it for free...

Sorry 4 my english, i'm from argentina :S

I can't believe I wasted two hours reading this thread.
The good thing is this fret2fret thing actually made me gain interest on my guitar again. Not such a bad thing afterall, I guess.

Oh and BTW >>275 wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. Sure Mike is a genius.

bahahahahahaha, this guy has an ebay account where he has reviews of his product, actually read the damn review, somehow, magically all 2000 people or whatever the hell the number was happened to use the words "A+++" and "great" and "ebayer". And not just half of them or most of them, ALL OF THEM.

well fret2fret is great!!! ... so fking great that the dl page dsnt have ne scurity system ... dude that guy sure is a retard!!! ... just 2 fuking flash tuts each 1.5mb ??? and 1.5mb makes u a pro gp :S and a pro bp :S!!! ... SO STEVE HARRIS EAT MY SHORTS COZ I CAN PLAY BETTER THAN U NOW AND JUST IN 40 MINS!!! ... what a bunch of crap ... dl from free u fuking crap buyers!!!

"The possibilities of this technique are endless. You can remember long solo's for instance, just by creating small stories using the characters". JUST A BUNCH OF CRAP IDIOTINC MORONIC STORIES WILL MAKE U PLAY BETTER THAN NE GUY WHO HAS SPEND 30 YEARS WITH THE BASS! ... what a retard ... u can remember long solo's .... :S yeah u can remember but can u play them at high speed? moron!

Deepaul what do you mean p2p, sorry to sound stupid. i've been playim for a few years and just wonder is this crap and if there is a chance of gettin it free how, because i'm shit with computers

p2p is peer to peer. like limewire

The End.......

300GET

I agree with Tanuka - fret2fret has helped me find this group and I have found a lot of interesting info here - thanks

I am glad to get the stuff for free though - nothing can replace practice and feeling in playing music

My guess is taht this thread will wind up in an Internet museum one day. Amazing. Some guy redefines overselling, and folks, I have a Master's Degree in Music Composition. I'm studying for my doctorate in the teaching of music composition...and I, yes, I was tempted to buy the product.

Something about the wording. It's incredible. You think to yourself...this just can't be true...but maybe maybe it could help...it's like going on a roller coaster ride or something. It's electric, it's hypnotic...

Quite a number of people have been hurt by this guy, which is really unfortunate. It's not fair to have expectations set like: "amaze your friends," and "step right in an play with songs on the radio." For those who've been hurt, I'd like to express that I hope the spark of hope that Slaiter guy awakened didn't go out.

It's possible to learn in an accelerated fashion with excellent teaching and concerted practice. Sometimes, as was the case in my music education, things just take time, and it's good that they take time. You learn things way way way better, if you take your time and really internalize what you are doing.

You make a lot more progress when you take your time.

Go slowly. There's no rush. The "big time" will be there when you get there. If you enjoy yourself as you go, you'll be happy wherever you arrive.

Best wishes to all of you,
Dainis

for those who understand dutch and can make it to the download section of www.akkoord.be ,there is a very complete music trainer there and it is absolutly free.it has a note trainer.a key trainer,an interval trainer,a triad trainer,a guitar,brass and keyboard trainer,three different kind of ear training and it has a chord calculator and a staff paper generator.
btw its the download the most at the bottom.
make sure to take a look at the rest of the downloads.they are very interesting too!!!

btw chord means akkoord in dutch so the site is all about chords and notes.the music trainer may be the thing that some of you are looking for

How can one determine, how many copies of fret2fret this guy has sold?

How can one determine, how many copies this guy has sold already?

I have seen alot of bull shit and gimics online, but this guy is retarded. If your gonna rip people of atleast dont make it so obvious. people like that diserve to get ass raped in jail.

oh holy shit i downloaded this software. and i've gotta say it... it sucks. so don't buy it!!!!!!!!!!11111111

if any one here still wants the "software",

just use ur brain for a minute to figure out the download link..
the link starts with the complete url of the website uptill ".com", fowward slash "/" and then write the one word or one number meanings of the following things to form the complete file name: "opposite of up", "opposite of unload", "5-4", "2-1", "letter before K", "letter before U", "letter before T", followed by a dot "." and the four letter word for what language simple webpages are made of.

since i cant post the link... i gave it to u like this... as far as i know this isnt a violation of the rules :)

P.S. im a software engineer and i want to kill this slaiter guy for calling this stuff a software

everything same uptill.com "forwardslash" fret2fret.exe

i tried it for fun, but this guy has to be retarded for being so lame....

When the first word on a website is 80-point red text in boldface, I know that everything that follows is 100% factual!

Even more so when the rest of the page is equally painful to read.

Nice find!

>>310
That's just how you're able to tell the good sites from the bad ones.

nods

lolling at this thread still being on the first page. can you reach 1000 posts?!

Since I am from the Caribbean and we are much smarter that the average American, I took another approach. You see, we are able to spot BULLSHIT at a moments notice. I went to the site while searching for a good guitar teaching system. After reading the great sales pitch I googled it and got this forum as a result and have now concluded I will not buy it. You Americans can be sooo gullable its not funny.

Yes, thats right, it works.... I have mastered the fretboard in under 15 minutes.. and I think that may be a record. But theres only one problem. I know the notes, but he promised i would be able to play the guitar Geniously. how come I cant press down the strings without my fingers burning!? Do you have a method that helps strengthen my hands and grow calaces (or however you spell it). This didnt stop me tho, I decided i would play some metallica songs with my newfound talent.. Theres just one problem. I dont know at all how to link these notes to make chords... What is a chord? WHY!!!! I DID THE METHOD!!!

one answer kid... ummm your dumb

I got the idea from this forum to downlaod it from Limewire. The way I see it is, any lesson is better than no lesson. I am pretty sure this guy is making a false sales pitch, but even if I can derive at least some bit of lesson from it, it would be worthwhile. So why not try it? Heck, I know it will not make me an Eric Johnson (a guy playing guitar for 25 years can't be like EJ!) but at least it lets me indulge in guitar learning with a lesson plan in hand!

So what happens if u dont even like playing in the standard open tuning that much???

have anyone tried fretmasters.com . an alternative to fret2fret.

http://fret2fret.com/download14jts.html
happy fret2fretting
rofl
and all i had to do was just copying and pasting that url into my browser :D
well i dont have time to test this shit right now but i guess i'll just go and play some guitar and not wasting my time learning the fretboard in 60 minutes when i alrealdy know it.

I am the guy from post#315.

Ok, I have memorized the fretboard. NOW WHAT?

1) He doesn't teach you how to tune your guitar
2 He doesn't teach any chords, even the basic ones
3) He doesn't teach you any songs.

The guy promised that he would make make me memorize the fretboard and that's what he did. But he also indicated that I would be a good guitar player just on the basis of knowing the fretboard. Didn't happen.

So, you might say that it is a promise only half-fulfilled. I must say though that you won't be wasting your time with the lesson. You will have memorized the fretboard. Now that IS a significant step for beginners.

Therefore, my recommendation on the product: 50%. (100% if you get it for free, like I did, from Limewire).

Thanks folks was thinking of buying f2f but won't bother now. Looked at the web site mentioned at 185 and this looks ok to me.

>>320

See >>318 and download it for free. Even if it sucks, you havent lost anything.

....wow....i cant believe people actually bought this

>>319
It's good to know the notes on the fretboard, but it won't do you any good without a little knowledge of basic theory. I'd suggest working on that, as well as just simply learning songs. Remember to have fun or what's the point?

omg this sucks and im shocked and amazed

thanks for link of the stupid crap... i'll take a peek on it.

I bought this softwtare from Mr Mike Slaiter. Do not make the mistake of buying this software... it's RUBBISH !!. Learning the the BASS takes time and effort. this 60 minute genius is a complete LIE.
All it is, is some stupid made up story to remember the notes on the fret. WHy go through learning the story when you can remember the 7 notes which is fewer than the a 3 or 4 para story. He doesn't tell you how to apply what you have memorised.. THis is his promise or sales pitch... "You will be a music genius if you memorise 7 notes on the fret board" ??? cheap rubbish !!
You best put the money towards something like bassguitarsecrets.com. MR Slaiter is a 1st class lier I have ever come accross. I have aksed for a refund and has not done so. DO NOT GO NEAR THIS SOFTWARE or listen to or read what ever he says .. you have been warned!!.

Does anybody know how to contact this fraud and get your money back?

You know, I just found this thread. What a bunch loosers you are play hatin' someone with an idea simply because you don't agree or don't believe is possible. Sensing a bit of jealousy.

I'm a self-taught musician (mainly piano but I play guitar also). I also taught music theory for many years but I no longer have the time. And I didn't teach crap like probably many of you, I taught college level shit.

But here are my two cents on this. You cannot expect a piece of software or even the best of music teachers to make you a master musician, that's impossible because it all depends on you, how perceptive or dumb you are.

So I can undertand that he's stretching it a bit when he says you'll learn in 60 minutes. But give him a break (even though he's kind of dumb, lol), anything that can teach you the fretboard in a short amount of time even if it takes 6 months when compared to 6 years is worth it, regardless of how lame it looks.

In fact, I'm gonna buy it, just for the hell of it. Ya'll just playa hatin 'cause u didn't think of it first, that's all. So put your efforts in learning something instead of being all jealous and shit.

Peace!!

how can this guy have a passion for cats and guitar at the same time? anyone who's seen the viagra commercial knows there's only room in life for one great passion! (unless you take viagra of course)
I'm glad I found this site... I was actually gonna buy it until I decided to google it first and came across this place. I knew it was too good to be true. seriously, a flash application? it's probably more worth it to learn guitar the hard way.

was thinking of buying this but need advice of someone who has it does it work? or it doesn't work can anyone help? got a sample

>>330

You have to go through the frustration of horrible sounding chords and breaking tons of strings like everyone else.

I once broke a G-String while fingering Aminor.

baps

Well, I have to say, after reading all your amusing comments and laughing out loud at many of them, I have to humbly admit that I was a lazy naive fool to think this could really help me. Thanks to all for showing me the light!!! cheers...(nearly a sucker!)

my fucking god, i wander past /music/ to trollbump this old thread for lulz, but it's already at the top of the page. <3 internet

The funniest thing on his website is the screen shot from ebay
thats a fake coz it clearly says over there sign in or register

i was thinking about buying it, but then i googled it and found this which led me to just getting it from limewire... it wasnt even worth my time let alone 30 bucks.. his "technieque" is not secret or an invention of his own. it is nothing but using the first letter (or note in this case)to form a story. i used this in grade school before i even played guitar for the order of classifying animals (Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species)<- King Phill Cooked Oatmeal For Great Servants. its just that simple

can any one send me this software?

can any one please send me this software too? thanks

can any one please send me this software too? thanks

can any one please send me this software too? thanks

You know what people,
I must thank you all...
I mean it took me bloo^y 1 year to juts to learn how to hold and play empty notes and crap, but EVERY ONE< I MEANT EVERY ONE HERE ROCKS>
I got the software and Its workin' thanks ya'll..

Love
Usman
(os-man)
Hit me back @ ushibaba@gmail.com.

MAN... I was about to buy it but then i read what you are saying here and you know what?
FUCK OFF!

Download it for free like im about to do.
It's soooo easy making a little presentation site like he did with fake happy customers...
anyway looks like a trap to me.

Just came across this thread because im @ work and my xampp doesn't work atm it's reconfiguring and yeah i read this thread and believe me u could make a book and earn money with this xD
it's a bit more than 2 years after the thread creation :D
fuck n1 n1 n1^^

Hey People i just right now i found the way you can download it for free just put in the link page http://www.fret2fret.com/bass or guitar and put at the end .exe and you will have it for free my friends :D have a good day and see you all later :D bye. you send me a mail at elmetalesmivida@hotmail.com if you have any question ok see you all later.

hey can someone e-mail me the link at paveglio_09@hotmail.com

srry not the link the program

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WTF? It's all bullshit! I downloaded the bass one (though I play guitar) and this program is just stupid. Wanna learn the notes?? Go to Guitar Noise -> http://www.guitarnoise.com/article.php?id=557 and practice that lesson (practice, bitch, practice!).

That's it. Now you've learned the two lower strings AND 5th chords (and some very well known songs). Now you can play half off all punk rock that was ever written. Follow with http://www.guitarnoise.com/article.php?id=584 to learn palm muting.

What about the other notes? Easy, dog! You're just starting. Check out the excellent FREE lessons by Dan Cross at http://guitar.about.com/library/blguitarlessonarchive.htm or David Hodge at http://www.guitarnoise.com/lessons.php

BTW, the strings are: (E)very (A)dult (D)og (G)rowls (B)arks (E)ats, from lowest to highest.

And it never hurts to get a real teacher.

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i was looking for the software of course for free and tried it.....it took me less than an hour to learn the fretboard....but im also pretty sure that it si impossible to master the guitar in that amount of time.

Can someone please mail me this fret2fret program? I would really apreciate it. Im dying to see what everyone's on about. My adress - chris.modred@gmail.com
Thanx

Of dear oh dear oh dear. it's embarrassing, lame and a rip-off. I'm glad of the advice on the finding the download link, so I could exploit my curiosity, however.The guy must have brain damage.

http://www.fret2fret.com/fret2fret.exe
http://www.fret2fret.com/bass.exe

For Mac:

http://www.fret2fret.com/fret2fret.hqx
http://www.fret2fret.com/bass.hqx

I bought this shitty software, tried to get a refund through Paypal, no luck. I guess ole Mike's got an iron clad way to fuck his customers. I hope his little dick gets caught in his guitar strings.

die thread die

Additional saged post for good measure.

This is total shit, this guy is a con man. Do Not Buy. it is free everyware.

Find yourself a decent copy of Guitar Pro.

Arse, Buh, Crap, Daft, Erg, Ffffff, Grtzfrkn, start again.

★★ READ THIS BEFORE REPLYING ★★

• Nobody will send you anything by e-mail no matter how nicely you ask, because nobody cares about this extremely old thread, which is large only because it's on the 1st page for "fret2fret" on google.
• It was clearly established in this thread that this software is a piece of shit that isn't worth your money. No need to bump this old thread to state that. Several free alternatives have been provided, use the "Entire thread" link to read about them.
• Please add "sage" in the "Link" field if you think you need to reply to this old thread (which you don't): it will prevent this thread from being bumped to the top of the board, which annoys us.

>>359
Yeah, read that shit before replying.

hey i checked out fret2fret and it's really bad!
so i made a report that teaches you for real what
fret2fret tries to

http://www.guitaristreviews.com/fret2fret.html

>>361
This is not a report. This is a form where you ask people for their e-mail so you can send them whatever you feel like. So basically you set up a scam to help people avoid a scam, congrats.

Fret2fret sucks. There is no simple way of learning guitar and what it teaches is kids stuff. If you want to learn good guitar then its very painfull. ANyway here's the download page to that shit page. The only thing i found good was the tab collection for Guitar pro in the bonus page
http://fret2fret.com/download14jts.html

We all agreed that it sucks, stop bumping this shit please.

I am probably going to try this software, it is cheap and if I get something out of it that helps, all well and good. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
You all seem to spend a lot of time writing offensive messages about the guy and his product. I have emailed him and he replied immediately, and his address is on the website. Plus he said he would send me an invoice.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. In fact, judging by the quality of the spelling in your posts, you might be better spending your €30 on having some English lessons.
Grow up for heaven's sake.

>>365
Dear Mike,

Regarding all you said: no.

Thank you for your comprehension,
-- Anonymous Popstar

PS. I don't see why people exchanging opinion on a music discussion makes you so angry. I mean, sure, a pack of music-inclined people giving strong negative opinions on a software that's so cleverly advertised must be haters. Yeah right.

You lot are all so paranoid. 366 you actually think that I am Mike. I'd give you my personal email address to prove who I am, but why do I need to waste time communicating with a bunch of retards?
I am not Mike, I am Yann, as it says clearly at the beginning of my post. I am not angry, why would I be? I just see a load of abusive, semi-literate posts written by a bunch of foul mouthed people, who, by the way, are all hell bent on downloading the programme files for free.

Just in case there is any confusion amongst you brain boxes, THAT IS CALLED STEALING! Even if the programme is crap, it is still stealing.

I guess you people all download free music and free movies as well, right?

Well you should be ashamed of yourselves.

I have friends who are talented musicians. Some of them I knew when they first started out with cheap instruments, playing in bars and small clubs, and no money, just ideas and talent and a dream. A dream that people like you want to steal!

One of them ended up joining 10cc and doing world tours with them, and also touring with Mike Oldfield. He made it. He realised his dream.

Now, people like you just steal the music on the internet.

That does make me angry.

If you think this fret2fret is rubbish don't buy it.
Simple as that.

But even if it is rubbish, and you steal it, you are just another common little criminal.

>>367
First of, downloading music and movies is legal in some countries. Also the program is nothing more than a 7 page introduction to the fretboard. For god's same, looking the same thing up on Wikipedia gives you the same ammount of information, without useless babble.
Also 28,000 tabs have a worth of $24.99, hahaha, oh wow, he didn't even make them himself, same probabaly goes for all other extras.
Any decent guitarist would be happy to teach the same thing for free.

>>367
I am >>366 and I am myself a musician multi-instrumentalist, and also a profesionnal graphist. I "play on crappy instruments", because I don't have a lot of money, and when I play it's in a friend's basement or in an open-scene bar. Thank you for your insight and prejudice on myself.

And when I see some scammer try to make artists who, as we have covered, don't have many money, pay for a crappy software using what I call "soapbox" advertisement, excuse me for pointing it out on a bulletin board dedicated to this. He does advertisement, no one blames him for that, huh?

>I have friends who are talented musicians. Some of them I knew when they first started out with cheap instruments, playing in bars and small clubs, and no money, just ideas and talent and a dream. A dream that people like you want to steal!

95% of my friends are talented musicians, and most of them agree that the music industry needs to die and download songs. They put theirs on Jamendo and websites like this. And they still have their dream and it's not corrupt. But I won't enter this debate with you. You seem to be happy with the situation as is.

Also, you can't looks like you can't take sarcasm, my good fellow Mike.

• Nobody will send you anything by e-mail no matter how nicely you ask, because nobody cares about this extremely old thread, which is large only because it's on the 1st page for "fret2fret" on google.
• It was clearly established in this thread that this software is a piece of shit that isn't worth your money. No need to bump this old thread to state that. Several free alternatives have been provided, use the "Entire thread" link to read about them.
• Please add "sage" in the "Link" field if you think you need to reply to this old thread (which you don't): it will prevent this thread from being bumped to the top of the board, which annoys us.

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I enjoyed this thread, but I am not so inconsiderate and DQN as to bump it again.