Iraq's failure (30)

1 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-09-23 15:30 ID:+TXddGuL
"The CSIS report says: "The vast majority of Saudi militants who have entered Iraq were not terrorist sympathisers before the war; and were radicalized almost exclusively by the coalition invasion.""

"a greater concern is that 'skills' foreign fighters are learning in Iraq are being exported to their home countries. This is a particular concern for Europe, since early this year US intelligence reported that "Abu Musab Zarqawi, whose network is believed to extend far beyond Iraq, had dispatched teams of battle-hardened operatives to European capitals.""

""ambitions for Iraq are being drastically scaled down in private" by British and US officials. The main goal has now become avoiding the image of failure."

2 Name: Unverified Source 2005-09-23 18:56 ID:fJAFeuDp

That sucks! Does that mean all of this "War on Iraq" will be for nothing?

3 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-09-23 19:23 ID:+TXddGuL

Wasn't the original, unofficial purpose to kick Saddam out as revenge for his alleged assassination attempt on Bush's dad?

4 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-09-24 00:31 ID:Heaven,2763,1577352,00.html
"The Saudi government yesterday warned that Iraq is hurtling towards disintegration and that an election planned for December is unlikely to make any difference."

5 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-09-24 00:32 ID:Heaven
"The UK and US may have to abandon Iraq if central government breaks down and the country is engulfed by chaos, Tony Blair's former special envoy has said.

Sir Jeremy Greenstock said a pullout from Iraq might be needed if the US and UK had no "reasonable prospect of holding it together".

But he said he did not think this had happened yet."

6 Name: Unverified Source 2005-09-24 02:09 ID:Z74+vfu+

Russia Vs Afghanistan, this time recasting America as Russia and Iraq as Afghanistan.

If you read about the Soviets in Afghanistan, what's happening in Iraq today seems very familiar.

It went something like this:

Soviets "liberate" Afghanistan
Soviets begin building roads, bridges and schools
Insurgents (mostly forgein) begin blowing up Soviet troops
Soviets "stay the course" for ten years.

When the Soviets left, the insurgency built bases and trained terrorists under the direction of their glorious leader, one Osama bin Laden.

We art so screwed.

7 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 2005-09-24 03:39 ID:8b/Sta5J

The hilarious part was that this was entirely foreseeable.

Back in 2001, on jolly old Sept. 11, I realised war was probably going to happen. Bush proved me right. Then he started rattling his sabre at Iraq. I remember discussing the outcome of this with a relative. Everything we concluded in a thirty minute conversation while walking through a forest has come to pass, or is well on its way. Moderates becoming extreme? Foresaw that too.

Here's the kicker: neither of us is a political analyst, nor particularly familiar with the region. We're not historians. We're not old enough to have absorbed much experience through out lives. We're just a couple of students who had been following what was going on in Afghanistan.

So either it's bloody obvious to anybody who pauses to reflect on it, or I should make my fortune gambling because I'm one lucky SOB.

8 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-09-24 13:21 ID:Heaven


>Back in 2001, on jolly old Sept. 11, I realised war was probably going to happen.

Even before that. As soon as Bush was in power he started to cancel a bunch of international peace treaties.

9 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-09-24 13:28 ID:Heaven

Oh and even before that, during the elections his motto was "a gun and a bible", or something like that.

10 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-09-24 15:54 ID:Heaven
"Thousands of anti-war protesters marched through London on Saturday to demand that Britain pull its troops out of Iraq"
"WASHINGTON Sep 24, 2005 — Opponents of the war in Iraq rallied by the thousands Saturday to demand the return of U.S. troops, staging a day of protest, song and remembrance of the dead in marches through Washington"

11 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-09-25 03:22 ID:Heaven
"On a day when they knew they would be outnumbered and out-shouted, more than 200 supporters of the Iraq war nonetheless gathered yesterday at the U.S. Navy Memorial to get out their message.
They were military families and members of such organizations as Move America Forward and and Protest Warrior"

"At one point, the two sides began shouting "USA! USA!" at each other."

12 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-09-29 18:09 ID:Heaven
Afghan violence evocative of Iraq

"Increased violence in Afghanistan has created fears that Iraqi-style terror tactics are being imported.

At least 10 people died Wednesday when a suicide bomber attacked a military centre in Kabul set up by United States forces to train a new national army. It was the worst suicide attack in Kabul since the overthrow of the Taliban in 2001.

The Taliban claimed responsibility for the bombing and said it has 45 more suicide bombers poised to strike. "

13 Name: Unverified Source 2005-10-06 13:54 ID:Z74+vfu+

Great. Why do I have the feeling that we're screwed?

14 Name: Domingo Chavez!FpTygh5paU 2005-10-09 06:04 ID:RZjR03G7

The war was horribly planned from the very beginning. We went in with this plan:

Part 1: Invade Iraq, Take down Saddam
Part 2: (Still being worked on)
Part 3: peaceful democracy.

I knew it was going bad when we made it to baghdad in under two weeks. An old marine saying is "If everything is going according to plan, switch to plan 'B'" for the simple fact that somthings about to go horribly wrong.

15 Name: Unverified Source 2005-10-09 06:08 ID:Heaven

Your wisdom and insight is above all things.
Please indulge us more into your profit schemes.

16 Name: Domingo Chavez!FpTygh5paU 2005-10-09 14:46 ID:RZjR03G7

>>15 What?

17 Name: Unverified Source 2005-10-10 00:54 ID:Heaven


He just called you a pompous ass.

18 Name: Domingo Chavez!FpTygh5paU 2005-10-11 11:56 ID:RZjR03G7

No, Im not being arrongent or saying anything of profit. If the government had wanted a successful war and conquest. you dont just charge in and hope it works. it takes strategy. The Joint Cheifs obviously forgot the Vietnam Lesson. I have to say our leader has failed our military, and damn near 2000 good soldiers now. Some of which were friends of mine. And its only going to get worse because there is no plan to get out. We jumped from the plane without a chute. All thats left to do is wait to hit the bottom and splatter.

19 Name: Unverified Source 2005-10-11 12:35 ID:Heaven

That's the kind of cutting insight one can only get from being a military man, eh?

20 Name: Unverified Source 2005-10-11 13:06 ID:Heaven

Domingo Chav - HE would have saved Iraq from being a failure!

21 Name: Unverified Source 2005-10-11 13:35 ID:Heaven

We should've never made Iraq a top priority in the first place. :)

22 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-10-11 15:24 ID:5dqYM1ae
"An armour-piercing version of the bomb - blamed for the deaths of eight British soldiers this year - marks the latest advance in the insurgents' arsenal."
"The roadside bomb - known by its military acronym, IED, for Improvised Explosive Device - has come a long way since the early days of the US-led invasion in the spring of 2003."
"Enter the "shaped charge", an IED adapted to focus the force of the blast. "It'll go through the heaviest armour like a hot knife through butter," [says] John Pike, director of US defence policy group"

"According to Charles Heyman, a defence analyst with the UK-based Jane's Information Group, convoys and patrols are the Achilles heel of the modern army.
The insurgents, he says, have learnt that military vehicles have the heaviest armour along the under-body, in areas where they are traditionally most likely to be struck.
In response, bombs in Iraq have been fastened to telegraph poles and the underside of bridges, directing the blast at the relatively exposed top and sides of army vehicles."

23 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-10-11 15:39 ID:5dqYM1ae
"Iraq has issued arrest warrants for 27 senior officials from the US-backed interim government over suspected embezzlement of more than $1bn."

""It is nearly 100% of the ministry's procurement budget that has gone [missing]," Finance Minister Ali Allawi was quoted saying in the Independent newspaper last month.

The money was reported to have been siphoned abroad in cash and used to buy overpriced outdated equipment in a money laundering scam."

24 Name: Unverified Source 2005-10-13 03:22 ID:evXJQpJB

>>"a greater concern is that 'skills' foreign fighters are learning in Iraq are being exported to their home countries."

It begins again (or will in five to ten years). It's too bad long-term problems are overlooked or pushed aside for the sake of shoddy, short-term "solutions."

25 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-10-13 17:29 ID:Heaven,12956,1591292,00.html

"Sue Smith, the mother of Private Phillip Hewitt of the Staffordshire Regiment, who was killed by a roadside bomb [said:]
"Democracy is created from within. You don't just walk in and say, 'There's your democracy.' It took centuries in England."

"Mrs Smith was backed by Reg Keys, who said his son - who died in Iraq in July 2003 - ended up regarding his work training Iraqi policemen as a waste of time because their primary loyalties were to their tribe and religious leaders and not to the state."

26 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-10-14 21:22 ID:w65ioC9M

"The American and British governments seem disconnected from the terrible reality of Iraq. Tony Blair says the time scale for withdrawal is "when the job is done." But stop any Iraqi in the streets of Baghdad and the great majority say the violence will get worse until the US and Britain start to pull out. They say the main catalyst for the Sunni Arab insurrection is the US occupation."

"Mr Blair says British and American troops will stay until the job is done, but their very presence means Iraq will never be at peace."

27 Name: Unverified Source 2005-10-17 11:25 ID:Heaven

anyone has source or original version of this?
i dont think there is intrigue with 911 but i feel it is unnatural that the reinforced concrete collapse in a short time.

and how it could happen that the flight-recorder of boing crushed into pentagon is unrecoverable, normaly it stands good even in 3400 G pressure and up to 2000F/30min heat.
of course kerosene cant get high temperlture like this(in open environment, it goes up to 1500-1700F).

A Japanese feel that there are no wepons of mass destruction in iraq, so please attack north-korea declaring to develop nuke.

28 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-10-17 13:10 ID:Heaven

I think that page is a compilation of several webpages.
One source seems to be

>please attack north-korea

Please don't.

29 Name: Unverified Source 2005-10-18 14:16 ID:Heaven

pay-to-read. weak.

30 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-10-18 16:20 ID:Heaven

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