How can I work in Eastern Europe? I'm 20 years old, brazilian, undergrad. student, Intl Relations. I can't stand the climate here, I can't stand the people here, I can't stand my fucking life. I thought of Eastern Europe cuz it seems to be far enugh, without that goddamn tropical climate. Any tips?
eastern europe? like with the romanians?
Do you plan to learn the local language?
At first I thought why not go to Western Europe or Scandinavian countries, but then you are right that there may be more opportunities in Eastern Europe.
Still, language may be an issue. Why don't you search for opportunities to do a training in one of those countries? This should give you time to learn a bit better the country and start learning the language, before deciding if you really want to do it or not.
Look for student training opportunities in those countries. Otherwise, you could look for language learning programs. You will also need to look for funding all that, unless money is not an issue for you,...
>>1
yep. the summer is too fucking hot this year. i blame al gore. where do you live?
brazil man... despite what you see on tv, this country is hell on earth
>>5
it is also a very big place. i was asking what city do you live in.
Eastern Europeans are very xenophobic people. Not to mention, being Brazilian might cause you a lot of racism.
>>8 here. My advice is to move to Canada. Same climate zone too.
I would try one of the countries which has recently joined the EU, as they will have fairer labour laws. Also, watch out, Poland is racist as fuck.
e.g. the Czech Republic, Hungary etc.
Eastern Europe is pretty much a backwater, less developed place which is way overhyped thanks to the movie industry, supposedly "trendy" clubs, and all that vampire bullshit that relates to the movie industry. Follow the advice of >>9 and go to Canada. Or maybe New Zealand. Better places, etc.
>>6 - I Live in Sao Paulo.
>>7 - Portuguese, English, German and French
>>9 - Not easy for us brazilians to go to Canada...lots of consular shit because of those damn illegals.
>>11 - I know it's less developed. Besides, those movies showing eastern europe as a paradise lost never convinced me. Being less developed, I think it's a good chance to make a new life. "Better Places" are often the worst to get into. IF I could go to any other developed place,legally, I'd go.
>>6 - Sao Paulo
>>7 - Portuguese, English, German and French.
>>9 - Canada is a nice country, but it is hard for me, as a brazilian, to get in. Legally, I mean. That's because of those damn illegals.
>>11 - I know it's less developed. This is one of the reason of why I'm interested on it. Maybe I can find more opportunities. I agree about those films who show eastern europe as a paradise lost... I never believed them anyway. I wouldn't be so desperate to move to another country based on a movie. IF I could get Legally into some more develope country, like Canada, Australia or the US I would do it. but it's not so easy...
Slavic languages are pretty difficult for someone who only knows Romance/Germanic languages.
Many Eastern countries are not as underdeveloped as some people think. The largest differences I noticed was older buildings, the Internet is more spotty, better public transit, and people are... happier.
I suppose it's partly because they haven't bought wholesale into the idiotic Anglosphere-promoted nuclear families and urban sprawl. Long-time immigrants here comment how frigid the social climate here is.
>>9
Asian here. I am planning to move to Canada once I graduate, and the only concern I have is the people there, racism etc. It really bugs me. I really want to move there. If not, then Singapore.
Canada: It's like a cold Australia with American accents and a bunch of frenchies mixed in. But we have mounted police, fuck yeah.
I don't think canada is a racist country... as long as you obey their laws, they'll respect you...I've been there once, for tourism, and I liked it. also, there are lots of asians there.
Your chance of encountering racism here in Canada is next to nothing. We are NOT a racist group of people. Also, there are lots and lots of Asians who live in the country. Next to whites and aboriginals, Asians make up the next biggest majority.
>>19 here. Actually, it seems Asians are the SECOND biggest ethnic group next to whites.
>>21
interesting... here in south america, south americans are the majority.
You'll find prejudice in Canada just like you'll find it everywhere else.
It may not be as common or close to the surface, but it's there.
Canada is not the multicultural paradise the government likes to promote, it has shameful past injustices and bigoted hillbillies like it's brother to the south, but just to a much, much lesser degree.
Those that get the worst of it have lived in the land for at least 12,000 years already.
Asians shouldn't have any problems, though.
It is difficult for just anyone to immigrate.
The best chance is if the applicant is a high-skilled, like a doctor.
Feel free to explore eatern yurop my friend, but please avoid Hungary... I live there and I want to get out.
>>24 are you even Canadian or just ignorant? Canada is the most diverse country on the planet, and racism is hardly visible.
ahah why you don't like Hungary man? Besides the language, I mean...I thought it was a nice place...
>>26
My birth certificate says Canadian, last I checked.
I don't buy into government PR.
I'm not bad-mouthing the place I hang my hat, just being realistic.
> Canada is the most diverse country on the planet
Not even close. The USA is more ethnically diverse (and much more racist, if a country can be considered racist).
> racism is hardly visible.
What race are you?
Have you ever known an aboriginal person personally?
How familiar are you with Canadian history?
I hear that eastern europe is more prejudiced towards asians than any other place in the world
I'm Native American and Irish, I'm easily subjected to racism. I've never encountered it.
You mean East-Germany, right?
By my guest, but I'm not lying. My mother was born in Red Lake, Ontario (Northern Ontario) belonging to the Ojibwa (second largest aboriginal group in North America), my father in Belfast. My skin is far darker than most people, so I'm easily and often considered a visible minority.
The fact of the matter is I've never had anybody use any form of racism towards me. I've had friends joke and call me a wagon burner, injuin, et cetera, but none of it is serious.
You are correct. Thanks for speaking out against this myth that Canada is some holyland. There is a lot of racism in Canada based on what I've seen and what I've studied in Sociology of Inequality at University.
It's no accident that many minorities, especially including the first nations population, fill those short-term, unskilled, vocational jobs. It's no accident there are many professionals with degrees still working as taxi drivers in Canada. It's no accident that the white population, typically male as well, are healthier, attain more promotions, and do not fill those short-term, unskilled labor as plentifully.
>>34,37
I'm not going to bother dismissing all that as an intricate web of lies or push further.
Personally, I've known or met several native men (and women) and they've all faced discrimination, mostly widely from law enforcement.
Not to mention the past and present government policies, of which your mother should know about.
>>36
I'd love to let these myths go unchallenged, but I'm more interested in objective reality
My value as a citizen of an international role-model would be worthless if I were a cheerleader for misinformation.
But I wouldn't want to live anywhere else (....maybe Norway).
>>1
Me and a friend of mine have been thinking that we'd like to move to Brazil when we graduate -what is it that you hate about it?
Though I should say, if you're white, have education and money, you'll get along just fine. However, the contrasting side is appalling. Brazil is like an African country in lots of places.
>>39
might be a good place for an exciting experience. here in Rio for example, you can see social contrast from very rich people to extreme poverty in almost every corner. also, getting drugs around here is easy as hell.
i wouldn't recomend living here for an extended period of time though.
I'd love to say "Come to the USA", but the illegal immigration problem we have with Mexico will probably delay your hopes of getting citizenship here for a long time. The fuckers skipped the line, and the government won't make them play fair like every other immigrant that wants to make a living here.
My honest suggestion is to grow thick skin (how dark is your skin? Do you look "muslim"?) and go wherever you please, Prague might be interesting, its one of the more cosmopolitan centers of Eastern Europe. Or you could give Slovenia a try, I hear it's quite nice these days. Avoid Serbia and Bosnia, and most importantly, use your English skills as a gateway to learning the Slavic languages, as I don't think many people in the East know much Brazilian Portuguese.
>>39 - Don't do it. unless you come from god forsaken place like haiti or bolivia.... the place is really a huge mess...MAYBE you would like to come as a tourist. maybe. Don't live here, don't waste your time.
most of the country is like Africa... you wouldn't want it...and EVEN fi you're white with education and money...well, this would make you a big target for those fuckers who plague our country - murderers, rapist, drug dealers and so on. All of them are violent, like animals
> Asian here. I am planning to move to Canada once I graduate, and the only concern I have is the people there, racism etc.
If you're planning to bring your entire family with, please don't.
One of the largest problems right now in Vancouver is that mainland Chinese (never TW, HK, SG or elsewhere) families send a single son or daughter, and then use that child as a springboard to bring everyone else over. There's all sorts of ways to do it, but education fraud is well-known, which is why no employer around here bothers checking degrees anymore.
So we now have a health and social system that's falling apart under aged Asian parents who don't have anything to contribute to this society whatsoever -- most cannot speak English and have no skills worth note. You can't find a doctor here for love or money and stepping on public transit is hazardous to the health.
If you're healthy, well-educated and willing to adjust, great! If you're not a scammer and genuinely intend to contribute to our country please come! We love you!
Otherwise we have enough problems.
> most cannot speak English
Irrelevant. Many people have had ancestors who came here not being able to speak a word of English their whole lives. Many of those ancestors were European. When an immigrant can't speak an official language, they move into a community of immigrants that the can communicate and work with. The children integrate, and their children integrate further.
> and have no skills worth note.
Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too.
> Many people have had ancestors who came here not being able to speak a word of English their whole lives.
What, a century ago?
Catch up with the times. The inability to communicate is a serious detriment since our economies aren't menial labour or subsistence farming.
> Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too.
We already have a glut of those.
If you really want to work there, I'd suggest Bulgaria. Bulgaria is a member of the EU, and the Bulgarian language has a fairly simple language structure compared to other Slavic languages, most of them have lots of irregular endings on the words.
May I call you Mr. Brasilia? Bulgaria is an interesting choice, but if you want to try an Eastern European country that speaks a Romance language I would suggest Romania.
>>50
Having studied both Brazilian Portuguese and Romanian, I have to honestly say that knowing one is not much of an advantage to learning the other. Unlike, say Spanish and Portuguese, there's almost no mutual intelligibility. Although Senhor Brasilia may recognize the roots of many words, there are almost no true cognates, and the grammars are really, really, different.
Romanian is chock-full of Slavic influences and loanwords, and has artifacts not found in any other living Romance language (case system, three genders, articulated nouns, etc). Plus the verbs are a lot less regular than Portuguese.
That's not to say that he shouldn't go, just that he won't necessarily have an easy time talking to people if he does.
>>51
Oh -- and they're kind of racist, but much of Europe is just under the surface.
I'm 1.
>>51 - I know almost nothing of Romanian.(some words and expressions, to be honest.) I thought it was similar to portuguese, but of course I don't know about the grammar. And, well, I know I#ll have to learn some language, and i know it won't be easy, but I would feel like a loser if I don't at least try.
>>53
You should certainly study it--it's a beautiful and very interesting language; it's just rather strange compared to most other Romance tongues.
One thing to note: you aren't going to earn much money.
Also, on the thing about racism in Canada, I think you could do much worse when it comes to discrimination against aboriginal peoples: the worst (Western) example would be Australia, in my mind.
>>55
We found the New World: Australia is Eastern, now.
Just call it the English speaking countries.
The term 'Western' almost always refers to the geopolitical zone consisting of the richest, most developed countries, also commonly known as the 'Global North', as most of the world's richest countries are in the Northern hemisphere. The term 'Western' is not used to mean countries that speak English.
Back on topic;
I've heard of some people working at backpackers/youth hostels when they travel through Europe. A good way to get cheap/free accommodation, meals, internet access, car/bike rental etc.