Furcht vor Rechtsbündnis wächst (22)

1 Name: Sling!myL1/SLing 05/01/22(Sat)22:40 ID:jHxg6wAW

http://www.wams.de/data/2005/01/23/392476.html
"Furcht vor Rechtsbündnis wächst"
"Eklat um NPD im sächsischen Landtag stößt neue Debatte über Umgang mit rechtsextremen Parteien an"
"Der Protest der NPD im sächsischen Landtag gegen das Gedenken an Opfer des Nationalsozialismus hat Empörung und neue Debatten über den Rechtsextremismus ausgelöst. "Das blamiert das Ansehen der Bundesrepublik weit über ihre Grenzen hinaus", sagte CDU/CSU-Fraktionsvize Wolfgang Bosbach. "

2 Name: Sling!myL1/SLing 05/01/22(Sat)22:44 ID:jHxg6wAW

Revoilà donc Jean-Marie Le Pen.
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3208,36-395269,0.html
"Et toujours à propos de la seconde guerre mondiale... "En France du moins, a déclaré le président du Front national, l'occupation allemande n'a pas été particulièrement inhumaine, même s'il y eut des bavures, inévitables dans un pays de 550 000 kilomètres carrés. ""

3 Name: Sling!myL1/SLing 05/01/22(Sat)22:47 ID:jHxg6wAW

Pisanu: "I poliziotti non bastano Il pane della camorra è illegale"
http://www.repubblica.it/2004/l/sezioni/cronaca/napoli2/ministro/ministro.html
"Il ministro dell'Interno Giuseppe Pisanu, intervenendo in un convegno organizzato dalla fondazione culturale Liberal a Todi, ha commentato l'arresto di ieri di Cosimo Di Lauro, figlio del boss dell'omonimo clan napoletano in guerra contro gli scissionisti a Napoli: "Le forze dell'ordine - ha detto il ministro - andranno avanti e vinceranno la battaglia contro il crimine, specialmente se ci sarà la collaborazione dei napoletani seri e laboriosi.""

4 Name: Sling!myL1/SLing 05/01/22(Sat)22:51 ID:jHxg6wAW

La Suisse, bientôt mouton noir de l’asile en Europe?
http://www.tdg.ch/tghome/toute_l_info_test/enjeux/suisse_asile__21_01.html
"La Suisse est en passe de devenir le pays d'Europe le plus restrictif en matière d'asile. Et pas seulement à cause de l'effet Blocher. Sur des points essentiels, le droit suisse est en deçà des standards minimaux fixés par les nouvelles directives de l'Union européenne."

5 Name: Sling!myL1/SLing 05/01/22(Sat)22:56 ID:jHxg6wAW

*ミサイル迎撃手続き、実効性と文民統制の両立目指す*
http://www.nikkei.co.jp/news/seiji/20050122AT1E2100Q21012005.html
「政府は北朝鮮を念頭に置いた弾道ミサイルを迎撃する際の法的手続きの概要を固めた。兆候なくいきなり発射する場合に備え、防衛庁長官の責任で事前に迎撃部隊の指揮官に迎撃の判断を委ねる。文民統制を確保する観点から、部隊指揮官が迎撃を判断する条件や手順などを厳密に定めた対処マニュアルを作成し、実効的な迎撃と文民統制の両立を目指す。」

6 Name: Citizen 05/01/22(Sat)23:02 ID:YSVv953l

Do they speak English in what?

7 Name: Sling!myL1/SLing 05/01/22(Sat)23:07 ID:jHxg6wAW

was
quoi
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de quoi

what

8 Name: Sling!myL1/SLing 05/01/22(Sat)23:30 ID:jHxg6wAW

Large countries (France, Germany, Spain, Italy, UK, USA,...) have limited to no knowledge of other languages, because the people there haven't been exposed to any other language than their own.
Small countries (Switzerland, Holland, Denmark, etc.) are usually proficient in more than one language. For example, quite a few Swiss people can speak up to 4 languages, including English.
Tho, that new phenomena known as the Internet has helped to introduce new languages in the daily life. This means for example we see Europeans and Japanese learning English, or Americans/Europeans taking up Japanese lessons. But this is still an exception rather than the rule.

9 Name: Citizen 05/01/22(Sat)23:36 ID:Heaven

>>8

What a weird explanation for not posting any English stories on non-US countries.

10 Name: Sling!myL1/SLing 05/01/23(Sun)00:10 ID:jHxg6wAW

(continued)
So, no there aren't any major newspaper in English in non-English countries.

11 Name: Sling!myL1/SLing 05/01/23(Sun)00:20 ID:jHxg6wAW

Besides, is there anyone here who's interested in the arrest of Cosimo Di Lauro?

12 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 05/01/23(Sun)00:49 ID:AFYnR0ay

I dunno about you, but most Germans I've met can speak English just fine. Spain is a crap shoot. France... a lot can speak it, but they just don't want to. Most schools I've seen in Europe (both East and West) have English as a mandatory subject.

>>9
I'll point out that the US is the biggest fish in the pond, so to speak. And it's busy making waves at the moment. What do you expect?

13 Name: Sling!myL1/SLing 05/01/23(Sun)02:48 ID:jHxg6wAW

The Germans I met abroad could speak English, yes. All the ones I met inside Germany, none of them could speak any English. OTOH, the ones abroad were young, and the ones in Germany were older.
So it seems that the My Language-only trend is reversing, most likely because of the opening of the frontiers (Euro/Europe, Internet, etc.) and a better/more thorough/more this-can-actually-be-useful education.

14 Name: Citizen 05/01/23(Sun)02:52 ID:Heaven

> So, no there aren't any major newspaper in English in non-English countries.

what

> What do you expect?

Discussion about other big fish.

15 Name: Sling!myL1/SLing 05/01/23(Sun)04:58 ID:jHxg6wAW

>Discussion about other big fish.

Go ahead, I'm open to new ideas.

16 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 05/01/23(Sun)09:13 ID:r/8uTPm1

>>13
Of the people I know in Germany and Austria, at least 3/4 are fluent in English (and at least half can remember WWII).

Mind you, it's a very biased sample since all of them come from the upper social strata.

17 Name: Citizen 05/01/27(Thu)09:32 ID:Heaven

>>1
Late remark on this: The typical German pathos and symbolism with which this "new political situation" is being regarded is not even cynicism but the lazy and absolutely dishonest German way of "dealing with problems" - which neccessarily includes: letting the "problem" happen in the first place, then acting as whether it couldn't have been prevented, then wasting a lot of time and ressources on not solving the "problem" (Germans call this "employment-creation or -preservation measures") and in the end effectively doing nothing until the "problem" has magically solved itself.

18 Name: bubu!bUBu/A.ra6 05/02/07(Mon)11:19 ID:Nmqwl4jY

some belated remarks
>>3,11
Police decides to finally crack down on the lieutenants of 'the tractor', and it leaves everyone in a wholly uncaring state it seems. Except for the occasional international press report that 'italian crime is on the rise again' because now 'even the Italians can't help but arrest the new surplus in thugs'. Nice!
>>2
I'm wondering if they'll really go and instate a lex Le Pen just to shut him up. Current legislation is useless enough already, and however much SOS Racisme may laud plans to instate bans on all right-wing organisations (ha!), it will all wander into the big file cabinet of unenforceable decrees.
>>8
Switzerland is internationally quite priviledged in that their concept of Sprachfrieden ("language peace", the peaceful coexistence of the four official languages Deutsch, Français, Italiano, Rumantsch Grischun) is one of the 'four cornerstones of the helvetic federation'.
Other small countries, such as the neighbouring Austria, which do not hold such values as highly, are notorious for lingual impoverishment aswell as the suppression of minority speakers (slovenian, slovakian, czech, croatian aswell as ladin and suttromontsch). The size of a nation has little influence; atleast significantly less so than cultural and historical conditions.
>>11
The command of English of most young Germans even is so lacking, that -in true German fashion, one might add (>>17)- Germany feels compelled to wordily lament the situation, lambast computers and television, hastily instate 'problem solving' committees and proceed to do nothing more about it. I guess it boils down to your standards, really.
>>12
Having English as a mandatory subject has very little to do with what happens in reality.
What I had learned in Conservaturiùn (your 'high school' --approximately), which marks the end of the 'mandatory English language education', would have been sufficient to get a pint of guinness and a punch in the face at best.
The factual educational standards in language all over Europe do mostly not even deserve the label "English as mandatory subject". Excellent publication on the subject exists, amongst others most prominently by the GFS.

But, no matter, as soon as the EU has succeeded in pushing English as the only official language (plans to which extent it has repeatedly, much to France's chagrin, made manifest), thusly not only eliminating the 'staggering overhead cost of the babylonic language chaos' but also leaving us all, especially 4-ch/politics, with one less subject to worry and argue about, we will be able to reunite at some point and extoll the virtues of monoglossy and the fine English idiom. Huzzah!

19 Name: bubu!bUBu/A.ra6 05/02/07(Mon)11:32 ID:Heaven

oh, right I fucked up on the second >>11 it was supposed to point elsewhere! you'll firgure it out

>>4
Isn't it just great how the '"Hey, let's throw immigrants into a tunnel and wait until they're fed up and leave"-thing really works out for Switzerland (aswell as the new 18-month custody pending repatriation), and suddenly everyone else is eager to join in on the fun.
And yet -- poll: "hey people, do you think those swiss guys o'er there are nuts, RE: IMMIGRANTS, YES???" - people: "yes, THEY'RE TOO SOFT ON THEM!".
The situation in the chatroom of the Grandmasters of Immigration of the fortress europe is somewhat like this, I imagine:
<sweitz> immigrants locked into army tunnel then kicked out again
<avstrija> great idea, same
<german> immigrants locked into army barracks then kicked out again
<italia> great idea, same
the rest is idling, waiting to follow suit on whatever the four hot-headed debaters do.

I admit that I like the competitive spirit though - "who can fuck over the most asylum-seekers in the smallest amount of time using the smallest amount of manpower and money, the hardest?". It's like some giant robot deathmatch, and the winners are sent back to Sudan.

20 Name: Citizen 05/02/12(Sat)13:46 ID:xXWbRyNd

>>13

Almost every German I've met has at least a rudimentary understanding of English grammar and pronunciation. Hell, I've even met Neo-Nazis who could speak English pretty well.

21 Name: Sling!myL1/SLing 05/02/12(Sat)14:01 ID:SvWHxVYX

>>20
In Germany or outside of Germany?

And yeah they have English classes at school but that doesn't mean that they can use it in a conversation.
That guy at the gas station I spoke to in the middle of the night in the middle of Germany somewhere sure didn't seem like he understood my English. But he understood my bad German. ^^;

22 Name: Citizen 05/02/12(Sat)14:19 ID:Heaven

> That guy at the gas station I spoke to in the middle of the night in the middle of Germany somewhere sure didn't seem like he understood my English.

It's like everywhere else on earth: Only those will benefit from school courses who are fairly intelligent and get enough encouragement from their environment. These prerequirements do not hold true for the majority of students, neither in Germany nor elsewhere, and the result is most people giving up on mastering the language somewhere in the middle of the process.
So, the children of poor or lower-middle class citizens might not benefit so much from this particular kind of education than others do.

Also, most old people (65+) aren't very good at writing in English nor speaking the language, since they never learned it in school and only grabbed bits and pieces after WW2 was over.

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