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sorry about the bad tag.
Neither of those pages is particularly evocative. The first provides some facts and figures, but I see no references. The quality appears to decline steadily as it goes on as well.
The second is worse though. It consists primarily of abstract arguments, anecdotes, appeals to emotion, and the links are of stunningly poor quality (libery-page? worldnetdaily?).
I'm convinced that 4chan would do a better job, especially with the second. That's saying something. :/