Post-copyright education (13)

1 Name: Citizen : 2008-02-28 19:02 ID:ODAMboBx

Fortunately, you hardly ever see twentysomethings complain about the inviolability of "intellectual property," so I'm sure eventually the era of copyright-related greed will blow over in a few more years.

But how do we educate people now to stay safe from the predations of companies trying to exploit a copyright paradigm?

2 Name: Citizen : 2008-02-28 23:04 ID:0fx6JEhq

Wait until those twentysomethings become fiftysomethings and run the universities?

3 Name: Citizen : 2008-02-29 04:57 ID:A28SwqzQ

as a twentysomething who complains about the inviolability of "intellectual property" i really must question why you've come to the conclusion that the dismantlement of "intellectual rights" (lol let's throw scare quotes around things we don't like) will lead to positive results.

4 Name: Citizen : 2008-02-29 13:18 ID:ODAMboBx

How did you come to the conclusion that the establishment of "intellectual property" led to positive results?

5 Name: Citizen : 2008-03-03 00:36 ID:3MpUjpas

Same way you've always done it. Make things and share them.

Which predations, exactly, are you referring to? Might be better to concentrate on some specifics, to better discuss special tactics for dealing with...

I've thought about something... Even without copyright, wouldn't the same companies largely continue the same old business practices by using the same sorts of licence agreements / terms of sale? Might not stop being profitable, even if unauthorised users could pirate with impunity. And that's alright with me :)

6 Name: Citizen : 2008-03-03 03:15 ID:Heaven

>>4
don't be silly. considering copyright, moral rights, &c were created almost immediately after things like printing presses and general literacy allowed for the distribution of written work, musical scores, &c, it's impossible to be objective about what the world would be like otherwise.

you and the others are arguing that the current system is fundamentally fucked and needs to be scrapped. is it, and if so, how so and what next are the questions to be asked.

7 Name: Citizen : 2008-03-04 01:50 ID:FE0Q8mo1

>considering copyright, moral rights, &c were created almost immediately after things like printing presses

what

No, seriously, what? The Gutenberg Bible was originally declared by the Catholic Church to be the work of the Devil, and you're seriously trying to convince me that the original "copy right" was established to society's benefit? Come back to this conversation after you've had some history education at the secondary school level.

8 Name: Citizen : 2008-03-04 14:29 ID:Heaven

>7

hey someone disagrees with me, i'm going to attack his level of education.
to your credit you're on the right track, the first major copy right laws were made so that state could keep track of what was being printed.

i have no interest in arguing whether its initial intentions were good, there's no point to doing so.

> is it, and if so, how so and what next are the questions to be asked.

9 Name: Citizen : 2008-03-10 00:35 ID:Ia98YvdF

I am a pirate! :D

10 Name: Citizen : 2008-03-12 01:26 ID:mXgfOKl2

>>7
Ideally, the concept behind copyright laws was to encourage original ideas to be created, instead of this post-modernistic "dream" of rehashing fucking everything.

11 Name: Citizen : 2008-03-12 09:24 ID:Heaven

>>10
it's silly to complain about that as if it's some modern ill created by the abuse of copyrights by evil corporations.

hell, the odyssey, or at least as it was read in the greek world, was pretty much a vehicle for the parts which revisit the iliad[1].

[1] gymnastics of the mind by raffaella cribiore pg. 155-6

12 Name: Citizen : 2008-03-14 04:54 ID:Heaven

>>11
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oh wait

13 Name: Citizen : 2008-03-14 18:09 ID:Heaven

>>12
sorry i was just feeling a bit ambitious i suppose (´・ω・`)
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