>>21
STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!
SAGE goes in every field.Under your reasoning, Beethoven would never have been borne. Also, many of the causes of high crime have more to do with poverty than with genetics. Poor people will steal and sell their bodies and drugs to make money to eat. period. If corporations don't pay their lower level employees adequately, they dont rise out of poverty. If you live in poverty, your property taxes (which are responsible for the majority of public school funding) are low to non existant. If you have no property taxes, the schools don't get enough money for books or computers. No books in school + being hungry all the time means that school is a waste of time. It is illogical for someone to sit in a building where they are supposed to learn stuff instead of going out and making money (albeit illegally) when the conditions in said room (and in your empty GI tract) make learning impossible. It also doesn't help if your mom and dad where druggies. Theres a huge source of your crime rate. and none of it is caused by genetics.
Western europe lacks the crime problem we have and they don't sterilize criminals or people with genetic disorders. Note that they DO use massive social benefits and welfare to maintain an income floor and maintain a minimum standard of living. Go figure, it results in less crime. Also, we don't call on our best and brightest to sacrifice their lives for this country. If they were really that bright, they would have joined the air force. The army and marines take anyone who can follow orders and shoot. If you are stupid enough to join the ranks of the cannon fodder brigade, you are not the cream of this or any crop.
this brings me to my next point. While i agree with most of what >>12 said,it is disturbing that he feel's it is ok to euthanize people with down syndrome - particularly on the grounds that they are incapable of contributing to any society. For starters, people with DS are easily amused and are ideal for jobs which involve repetative but physically demanding tasks (stocking, warehousing, shipping, demolitions, mining, construction.) Due to their child like mentallity, they also follow orders well. This makes them good infantry men (remember that cannon fodder brigade?). and is it just me or do most of them happen to by physically built.
Im also shocked that the eugenics crowd has not realized 2 major points. 1) just because someone has one negative gene, it doesn't mean that they don't have other important ones. Would you sterilize someone who has genes coded for Aspbergers syndrome who also have a gene that makes them immune to HIV (which is rare but occures when the T cells lack the protien required for HIV to bind to the cell)? Would you sterilize someone who has the genes for muscular dystrophy but whose blood type is O and is therefore a universal doner. further more, where do you cut it off? 2) there is already research to make it possible to remove genes in a fetus. This means you can keep any good genes said Mongoloid has in the fetus and remove the ones you don't like.
Personally I don't think anyone whose household income averages out to less than $20,000 per person in said household should be allowed to give birth. Anyone can adopt but, if you lack the financial means to raise a child, you should not be allowed to have one. This means that single people could give birth if they make 20k a year (which is actually enough to survive. my household income is less than 15k and we survive just fine in a nice suburb in Miami with dsl and directtv so it can be done) and it means married couples need to have a household income of 40k assuming they have no kids. It also means that with each child a persona has, their household income must rise another 20k for them to have another child. This would keep our already ridiculous population down and prevent people from overtaxing our public services. It means poor people cant reproduce and that children will grow up in a home that can provide what they need.