Hell in a hand basket (9)

2 Name: Citizen : 2008-06-06 05:06 ID:ShQFc7bZ

This country was never Democratic, a democratic government has people vote on the issues and also upon leadership.

A republic is what we are, in a republic style government people vote on their representation and those representatives vote onthe issues.

And of course anyone who believes in democracy is for "Redoing the government", bitching about problems and voting on ways to solve them is the very foundation of democratic freedom. Anything else causes stagnation and corruption. Simply put, anyone who is nationalistic, conservative or denies change is NOT an American.

Proof is in what Thomas Jefferson said about Democracy:

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

4 Name: Citizen : 2008-06-07 00:11 ID:Heaven

>>3
Because we are literally not living in a democracy, you are responding to "Democracy" in terms of a popular American buzzword, not the definition of the word as a type of government.

Take some time to educate yourself you stupid fuck.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forms_of_government

6 Name: Citizen : 2008-06-07 02:05 ID:Uh7pPDz7

>>5
It is a very large issue for some people. There is from a historical perspective significant difference between the type of government one has when the people vote on legislation directly (example, Athenian democracy) and what one has when the people vote for representatives who will work with other representatives to direct the government in the interest (at least theoretically) of the people (example, the early Roman republic).

It is not the case that one must be good or one must be evil, though I would also note that when Athens ruled by direct democracy it was a ruthless imperialistic state feared and hated by its neighbors. But some believe that having a layer of representatives who cooperate and discuss matters can prevent the tyranny of the mob that Athens suffered. On the other hand, too many fossilized layers results in rule by the lobbyists and representatives who ignore the wishes of their people, which America suffers today.

These are very different systems of government and it is worthwhile to discuss them. Once upon a time civics classes taught the students about this sort of thing, back when the Earth's crust was cooling.

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