[Debate] Is God real? [Religion] (445)

1 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2007-07-01 19:02 ID:4LYwyQQi

To start off on a debate since it is allowed, I am going to go with one of the main subjects that appear in most people's discussions. Is God real?

RULES
-No flaming or trolling. Emphasis on flaming. Keep the argument down to a mild level.

-Back up what you say. I know it's hard for this, but don't just say something like "God is fake". Tell WHY you think God is fake, and use science to back it up if you have to. If you want to say "God is real", then the same goes for you. If you are going to use sources, then make sure they are credible, not just from someones blog (unless they source on that, and THAT source is credible).

-Keep this as mature as possible. This is basically like repeating the first rule, but don't let your emotions/beliefs get in the way of your argument. It makes you and your whole case look childish.

STARTING ARGUMENT:
God is not real because there is no scientific proof that he ever existed and did what he did (create people, make the world, etc.).

323 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2008-03-09 18:32 ID:+0NX+SW+

the only way i can think of to counter the assertion of, "if god is omni-all, why is there still evil?" is to present my fellow anonymous with Alvin Plantinga's line of reasoning towards the exisitance of evil:

  1. God is omni belevolent and omnipotent
  2. God created the world which contains evil and had a good reason for doing so(for the greater good)
  3. therefore, the world contains evil, but evil is consistant with the christian view of god

along with this line of reasoning:

  1. an omnibelevolent god would want to eliminate evil
  2. an omnipotent god would be able to eliminiate evil
  3. though evil exists now, god will eliminate it in the future

324 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2008-03-10 14:45 ID:Heaven

>>323

The second is a pathetic cop-out, and I can't imagine anyone taking that seriously. As for the first, I'd say that having a plan that involves massive suffering would preclude one from being "good". Especially if one is omnipotent and can create any outcome by just willing it into action, without the need for a plan of any kind.

325 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2008-03-10 17:56 ID:z219nqPG

>>323

The fact that god can't achieve a greater good without evil means he's not almighty,...

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