23 year old guy seeing 15 year old girl, mother opposed (59)

1 Name: Kindress : 2008-07-28 12:18 ID:g4d4hnwf

Hey there. I'm a guy quite a bit over twenty. I'm am currently together with a 15 year old girl. We're not simply dating, but very serious about each other. She has shown me a level of maturity that cannot be rivaled by even college-going women, and I know that with the proper influences and caring, she will become even better and more intelligent as time goes on.

The problem I am encountering is that while I love this girl very much and she loves me just as much, her mother is opposed to us even knowing and seeing each other. If we were just standard friends, it'd probably be the same. I have enough clear insight to know that the feelings that we have for each other are very heartfelt and sincere. Plus there's the fact that I am an older guy, and while I have intentionally not dated anyone / had a girlfriend in the past, I have quite a bit of "life experience" that helps the two of us out.

The mother intends to separate us when she finds out I'm 23. She's intent on seeing my driver's license next time she sees me. I'm sure if I spoke to her and convinced her I'm not just a sex-crazed male just looking for young blood, all would be fine. However, she is of Mexican descent and doesn't speak the best English, making it hard to properly convey any point of mine to her. This makes talking to her in my main language (English) slightly out of the question. In her own home, when I'm around, she speaks exclusively in Spanish unless addressing me directly. I find this to be very rude, coupled with the fact that she mostly ignores myself and her daughter until it is time to send me home. She doesn't even ask me to leave, she yells from across the house to her daughter (in Spanish) that "it's time". Because of things like this, I don't feel that she wants to even work with us and try to take us seriously.

For bonus information, her mother smothers her child, not listening to her or taking her seriously (which is strange, considering she's so intelligent and has so much to say), not giving her a level of freedom to even stay out for a single night (as if "forbidden things" done at night cannot be done during the day even less conspicuously). I would love to know some way I can talk some sense into her. The mother and the girl's sister assault her with insults and negative comments which almost ruin any self-esteem she's built up. Last time this happened, I was in the same house. After she took a verbal beating for making a mistake, I was the only one there for her to cry on. I was the only one who didn't make her feel stupid, dumb, not worthy of living. While that gave me an awesome feeling of being able to help her, I do NOT want stuff like this to continue happening to her.

In the end, what I would like to know is, from a knowledgeable legal standpoint, what are the girl's rights to go out and make her decisions in Arizona at the ages of 15, 16, and 17? This includes leaving the house, the mother's ability to block her from seeing me, etc. I would like some serious answers, and if you have anyone that you know that is knowledgeable in United States and/or Arizona law, please direct them or simply their answers to this thread. It'd be very painful at this point to only get to see her one a month or less on a secret basis, and as an intelligent person, I do not believe that it should be up to the mother to make a blanket decision about who her 15 year old daughter sees, especially when the mother is so unwilling to know the person / people in question. Any general advice will also be helpful, not just legal advice.

Thank you in advance.

10 Name: Chris Hansen!69eMR/CQ7U!!XjSKCHZu : 2008-07-28 20:51 ID:kN8omswj

>>1
I'm Chris Hansen, Why don't you have a seat over there?

11 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-07-28 22:47 ID:r6SCUaR9

>I know that with the proper influences and caring, she will become even better and more intelligent as time goes on.

ewwwwwww

12 Name: Chris Hansen!69eMR/CQ7U!!XjSKCHZu : 2008-07-29 13:24 ID:RBdtrZp0

>>1
No, no, no, no, no.
I wanna have a talk with you.

13 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-07-30 05:44 ID:DICgp9D0

Dude, are you thinking straight? Of course her mother doesn't let her go out whenever she wants or have a boy hanging out till late. SHE'S FIFTEEN. My Mom had the same rules for me when I was that age too. Stop kidding yourself and end this.

I remember when I was 18, a high school senior and dated a 15 year old for a week. I felt like scum.... broke it off fast. ( ; ^_^)

14 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-07-31 09:32 ID:t4cP8l3R

Due to the fact that a lot of pedophiles justify their going out with girls of such a young age with the same old line of "Oh they're mature enough", I'll go ahead and say; stop it. She's not mature enough, normal people will not look at it the way you do, stop, go away.

15 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-07-31 13:31 ID:Heaven

Do what you think is right, but keep in mind that if you have to ask, it is probably wrong.

16 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-01 01:08 ID:Heaven

Ew!

17 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-01 01:15 ID:Et8FV49E

Despite the fact that you love her, a teenager knows absolutely nothing of love. She cannot truely know what love is or what it feels like, or what she must sacrifice for it, so basically you are taking advantage of her infatuation.

Break it off bro, it just isn't a good idea until she is older.

18 Name: Kindress : 2008-08-01 03:35 ID:g4d4hnwf

OP here.

It's pretty depressing to me that people are so negative about this issue. I'm sure you all are basing your recommendations / revulsions on previous 15 year olds and 20 year olds who might come to like 15 year olds that you've known. I won't bother convincing anyone that the two of us are different since I'm sure that's what everyone says, regardless of the truth of the situation.

Since I came here for legal advice for the most part, I will continue being sincerely attracted to this girl, we will continue loving each other for quite some time, and judgmental people on the internet and in real life will just have to deal with that. While it doesn't deal with the same specific age difference, I recommend people watch an excellent movie from 1971 called "Harold and Maude" for more education on age differences and love.

Feel free to talk more about this if you guys want, but I feel no need to defend her or myself on the internet :V

19 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-01 06:59 ID:eQTlFzIe

John? I've sent a link to the thread to the cops. Thanks for posting this evidence.

20 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-01 07:45 ID:Heaven

>>18
You make a thread asking for advice, we give you advice, but don't tell you exactly what you want to hear, so you get pissed? Fuck off.

21 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-01 10:44 ID:Heaven

>>20
Yeah, my thoughts exactly.

22 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-01 18:46 ID:lB5fbXc0

>>18

Oh, you want legal advice.
Well, in that case... you're going to jail.

23 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-01 20:45 ID:LuHf4a2L

sorry bout all these assholes on here dude

best of luck to you 2

24 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-02 05:42 ID:ipWys6VJ

she's mexican. Use her as cheap labor.

Either way, you're going to jail.

25 Name: bingo : 2008-08-09 19:36 ID:O2xdWTUj

I have a friend who is now 24 who is dating a 17 year old. They have been dating since before she turned 16 and are waiting until she's 18 before she's having sex. It took me six months to really accept it, and only when I realized they were perfect for each other and he was willing to WAIT for her and NOT CHEAT on her.

You are involved with a fifteen year old and you shouldn't be. Fifteen year olds can be intelligent but they are not mature. Maturity is taking care of your own life and taking responsibility for the consequinces for your actions. She could be more mature then you, however. You would have to understand that you would have to wait until she's eighteen before you really get involved with her, and you must respect the mother and understand why she would be worried. It seems like you are interested in her because you cannot handle women your own age. Go ahead, go after her and I hope you get a good attorney.

26 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-11 01:52 ID:XE9qGYmh

Hey, I'm 18 here and I've been with my boyfriend since I was 16. He is 27. I told him from the very beginning that we could not have sex, as it would be a class C felony in my state, until I was 18. He accepted this (better than I did, in fact >.<) He has taken a LOT of shit for dating me. But you know what? He has been more respectful of me than anyone close to my age I've ever met. I cannot stand guys my age. It is entirely possible that the OP is NOT a sexual predator.

OP you should know that most states don't allow teenagers to get emancipated before the age of 16. SO if you want to continue to have a relationship with this girl, you are going to have to deal with her mother. If you are serious enough to wait it out, and the bullshit that comes with it, you two could always continue to see each other in secret despite her mother's opposition. My mother didn't know about my boyfriend until; 4 months ago. Now she loves him, although she has no idea we've been dating longer than 4 months.

I'll tell you now, though--living with a secret that big and that potentially life-destroying for a long time is anything but fun, and it drove my boyfriend and I into depression. And DO NOT have sex with her until she is older.

27 Name: That 27-y-old : 2008-08-11 03:32 ID:XE9qGYmh

Why is my VC "Heff"? Ah well.

I'm >>26 's boyfriend, she pointed the thread out to me. Anyway, here's some questions to ask yourself. I know you want to think this is "serious". I've wanted to think that of every relationship I've ever had, save one very miserable one. That this is the first one for both you and her makes the possibility that you're just infatuated or obsessed with someone/thing you "can't have" a dangerous one.

Since you wanted legal advice - first of all. You. Can't. Fuck. Her.
Not a little. Not even getting into dangerous territory. Remember, if her mom goes to the cops - and she probably will - you need an alibi for every time you've been with her. Your conduct and character with her need to be above reproach, and preferably witnessed by friends or family.

Second. You're serious about her? Start learning Spanish. Try to meet her mom halfway. Don't be evasive. Don't lie. Since you've already met her, a lot of deception is GOING to backfire - she can't speak English, perhaps, but she's not stupid.

Do you have a good quality - one that would make you a good husband? Display it. If you can cook, make food. If you can sew, give the girl a dress or her mom something for around the house. Can you write? Clean? Offer her something.

If she wants you out of her daughter's life, and you can't say what you need to, have her daughterlet her know you're backing off. Then do it.
I don't mean running away. I mean, stepping back, sending letters or the odd phone call. Enough to let her mom know you are very serious. Court her mother - you're going to have to deal with this woman one way or another for a very long time. Learning some Spanish to help convey your feelings to her mom is going to go a LONG fucking way to help you make your case - even if you can't say it perfectly, making the effort speaks volumes about your character.

Hell, ask her mom - or, if she has a brother, him - along on a date.

Also, this sentence concerns me, very very deeply.

>>with the proper influences and caring, she will become even better and more intelligent as time goes on.

You obviously believe her mother - am I right in guessing that this is a single-parent household? - is incapable of providing either of these. Do you want to be her father or her lover? You can't be both. A mentor tries to raise a friend to be the kind of person they want as a friend. A lover and a friend CAN'T dominate a relationship like that - it leads to very destructive issues later in life.

28 Name: That 27-y-old : 2008-08-11 03:32 ID:XE9qGYmh

>>25

>>It seems like you are interested in her because you cannot handle women your own age.

I don't know about him, but 26 and I first hooked up because I was into her personality, intelligence, creativity, and our shared interests. I didn't find out she was 16 until I'd already asked her out.

It literally stunned me, for probably 2-5 minutes, while I went over the repercussions continuing a relationship with her would have. I eventually decided, with what resources I had, that I at least wouldn't write off a relationship with her until we'd given it time. over a year and a half later, it's paid off in spades.

Damn right I'm not interested in most women my age. I'm surrounded by jaded whores, who think the sun shines out of their cunt (yes. I'm speaking this ugly word on purpose) and they have to act out the male/female power fantasies they see on TV.
Most women my age are desperately insecure, so obsessed with shallow standards for themselves they don't have any but "wealth" and "a nice head of hair" for a man, and nothing but good sex and the purchase of shiny objects on a semi-regular basis for a relationship.
Worse, most I know would pick "perfect" tits over razor wits, because "it's what a man wants".

Fuck that. I'm a gentleman, yes, but that doesn't mean I'm a doormat, which is what "women my age" expect out of a guy that asks them thier opinion and tries to meet them half way - it's a sign of weakness to treat her like an adult.

Finally, if she really is the one, she's worth waiting for. Just don't rush into anything - say, knocking her up and wedding her as soon as she's 18. Take some time to move as legal adults (I don't care about your emotional maturity) before you make up your mind. God knows I changed almost completely between the ages of 17 and 23. Think about how much you've grown, and be aware that she may just outgrow YOU.

OP: shorter bullet points.

  • Be a perfect gentleman, and cover your ass.
  • Learn Spanish. Seriously.
  • Don't give up, but don't be stupid about it
  • REMEMBER. She is her own person. Her mother is her >mother<. Her life - and future life decisions - are hers.
  • If you screw up, it's not the end of the world, but don't do it again.
  • Meet her - and her family - halfway. This isn't about you as a man, or her as a woman - or girl. It's about you as a couple. Don't forget that.
  • Finally: if all else fails, wait for her. A year is a long time when you're in love; two even longer. But 20 in prison is a hell of a lot worse. Letters and phone calls will take a little of the sting off, but it wont do it all. If she's the one you really do want to spend the rest of your life with, you'll know after the cloud has lifted and you've spent some more time together.

Good luck.

29 Name: Kindress : 2008-08-11 05:03 ID:g4d4hnwf

>>26
>>27
>>28

I thank you greatly for your educated opinion on my matter. As I said before, I don't feel the need to defend me relationship on the internet, but your posts are not an "attack", so I thought I'd reply in kind.

I'm well aware that there is a lot of hardship coming up in this relationship. I also know that though she is young, she has more potential than any other girl I've met throughout my years. It's not that I haven't been looking, but I have a general disgust by how men and women act, especially in how they attract one another. But I won't go on, because this isn't meant to be a ranting post.

The most important thing I should mention about this relationship is that I'm not in it for sex. I've never been a very sexual guy, and am still a virgin who has very normal masturbatory habits that don't need to be elaborated on in this board. I've never gotten involved with anyone because I was not attracted to them. It's not that I like this girl because she's 15. Her age is quite an inconvenience for me, in fact. I would have loved to have found someone so smart who was also past the age of consent in my state.

At the least, your story has given me some hope. I cannot promise to follow through on all your bullet points, but would like to mention that many of them were already in my plans to begin with. It's all a matter of getting her mother to accept me on a basic level so I can get her to open up further. I would have done this if her English comprehension wasn't so lacking. It's there, but as I like to use "big words", I'm afraid they won't be understood that well.

In any case, thank you for your story and advice.

30 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-12 03:14 ID:3GYvHsek

This is a risky situation. If you have a bad break up, all she has to do is say you had sex and you'll face a judge.

31 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-13 08:19 ID:CqHvn7W8

>>1
I don't even need to read your story, OP, to say the following:

1) you're an idiot
2) you're an asshole
3) you belong in jail.

Know why? Because there is simply NO circumstance in which the arrangement in your title is okay. If for whatever reason you can't "deal with" women your age, you probably aren't mature enough to be dating. That or you just want someone you think you can control.

Setting aside the fact that it's outright immoral to be doing what you're doing, have you stopped to think at all about what could happen to your future if she says you had sex with her (or heaven forbid, you actually did have sex with her?) Your life would be fucking game over, no continues.

Date a woman your age. Good ones do exist. I guarantee it.

32 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-13 22:30 ID:xjbe8uun

>>1

not wanting to disappoint you, but girls of 15-16 years old mostly do this just to get the attention they are not getting from there mother or father when her parents become distant or strict since she is "becoming a women" and is "able to have sexual desires" and stuff

mostly this goes to finding a "bad boy", with the girl in question it would be "the to old for her guy"

if however you do feel that your love and her love is sincere enough that you want her to betray her parents (once she is 16, she can go live on her own if she feels that her parents home is for some reason not possible (a law for child abuse and the likes, but just "feeling unwelcome" can be enough for some judges to approve of it)

then a guardian will be appointed, and with godly luck you could be that guardian (unlikely, but possible)

i am not aware of the finer tricks of these rules and suggest you roughly suggest this to the girl, and then if she agrees get a lawyer for her to make it happen

that still doesn't mean that you can have sex with her though...
just prevents the girl getting emotionally scarred by parents and takes away the parents there power to make her not see you...

33 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-14 01:17 ID:ipWys6VJ

>>29
You think everyone is trying to "attack" you. But, in reality these are just normal opinions from normal people. You are responding to the one that has the "advice" that you WANT to hear.

Stop hiding from reality.
Stop destroying her life.
Face the truth that you're going to jail if you keep this up and deal with it.

34 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-14 02:57 ID:Heaven

So what's going on in this thread? Is OP hiding away yet?

35 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-17 00:28 ID:lQ1cW4+8

>>33 He will only go to jail if he has sex with her.

WHY, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, CAN NO ONE IN THIS THREAD (other than 26 &27) BELIEVE THAT HE CAN WAIT TO FUCKING BONE HER!

Jesus Christ people, a relationship does not equal sex.

36 Name: ボクス : 2008-08-20 06:59 ID:ozmuBi4C

Just some advice, back the fuck off.

You are going to hurt her, her family, her reputation, and basically fuck up the majority of the first half of her life.

I'd be kind of shocked if the mother so much as spoke to you with out yelling and whether you want to talk about sex or not, Its gonna come up. she will become a slut, and when she's 18 and you're 26 and she goes to college, and you are starting to get a little old to be hanging around college kids, she's going to fuck some roided out jock and you'll be the one crying like a bitch.

And after all that people are only going to walk up to you and say, what the fuck is wrong with you for dating a girl that age. She may seem mature, but she's at most a sophomore in highschool and how many people honestly stay the same from the beginning of high school till the end of it much less the beginning of high school to the end of college.

grow up and get a girl your age, you're a little to old to be dangling your car keys in front of the cradle looking for dates. and you are definitely a little old to start confusing that with love.

37 Name: ClayLay : 2008-08-20 20:37 ID:edFtn1O+

i dont think it matters if shes your age or not.
what matters is just being careful with her. since you feel strongly about her, keep doing what youre doing but like 27 said, just cover yourself. meet her mother halfway.

if she's mexican then you have to learn more about the mexican culture. the women are very protective of their kids no matter the age. family is the strongest bond there is besides religion. so maybe her mother feels that you havent become a part of the family yet because you are only there for her daughter.
if youre really thinking about this relationship, plan for the long term. are you planning to get to know the mother or the rest of her family? are you going to let a language difference be a barrier between you. if you show her you're trying to really help out and be a positive force and not just for sex, things will change in your relationshpi with her mother

the fight is with the mother. bring her over to your side and watch how easy things become.

38 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-21 18:22 ID:jwEPKMFL

what makes me laugh is that if this were a romance novel or some manga all of you would be cheering on the main characters. but now thats IRL you're all spazzing?

39 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-21 21:48 ID:Heaven

>>38
I think you should learn to separate real life from fiction before it's too late.

40 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-23 17:06 ID:KFqgz4Ga

>>38
nah Novels about child molesting don't turn me on to this idea more then the actual event itself.

no matter what you're talking about 8 years is a little much when you are talking about a guy who should be just getting out of college is dating a girl who is just getting out of middle school. If the mother cuts off your penis, I'd probably defend her first. not saying you're a skeez. but that's a skeezy as fuck thing to do.

41 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-24 01:08 ID:Rqy6baTO

Okay, the 4-ch BBS gives you this idea: "greece captcha"

Pack your stuff, ask her to do the same, hop on a ship to greece, marry there in a scenic church on a hillside by the Mediterranean, and live happily forever after!

Your other option is sitting in jail for "corruption of a minor" even if you never had sex!

42 Name: bingo : 2008-08-24 04:32 ID:w73/wAfC

maybe you should try talking to the mother and tell the mother how much you love the daughter.

43 Name: megaorc : 2008-08-25 23:55 ID:v4R4QfD+

BACK THE FUCK UP
did you fuck her yet?

44 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-29 23:00 ID:1G9oIQN2

I had a very similar if albeit different situation to yours so I know a bit about the legal standing of this. At 23 years old I began dating a girl who was 15, strange, the ages are the same. Just a side note, we never once had sexual relations. Anyway, she was a girl I met in college, she graduated from highschool at 14 and already worked away from home and owned her own car. She lied about her age for the job and her parents simply allowed her to buy the car in their name so they already encouraged her to act more mature.

After about 4 months of dating this girl her parents pulled me aside and said "If you wish to marry our daughter you may". That would have been illegal in the state of California until she reached the age of 16. I didn't mind the idea but what prevented us was my mother.

As soon as she discovered my girlfriend's age the shit hit the fan. She contacted the girl's parents and refused ME to see her ever again. Since I was still in college and under the rules of their home she felt she could control me, which is possibly correct. Our solution was an attempt to get married and move out on our own but even with parental permission we couldn't till she was older.

My parents fought it to the end even going so far as convincing her parents not to allow me to see her anymore. The law in that matter is very strict, if parents do not allow you to spend time with their daughter you have no legal recourse, NONE. All you can do is walk away and wait for her to come of age. In my case by the time she was 18 years old we'd lost all contact and I don't know what ever became of her.

My parents probably feel it was a good decision but here it is, about 10 years later, I'm 33 years old with no girlfriend and my parents yelling for me to marry. Silly.

Good luck with you and your problem, all you can do is wait and sadly if they pull you away from her you won't see her till she's 18.

45 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-29 23:06 ID:1G9oIQN2

I want to add, when did it become socially unacceptable to marry a girl under 18? I would guess until WWII if a man set his mind to the task of marrying a 14 year old even, he could. My own parents are 25 years apart (Yes, you heard me, now go reread the shit they put me through and wonder) so I know marriages can work with an age difference.

For some reason in the last century we've decided that girls of that age cannot marry and so it is. I can't fathom why everyone gets so very uptight about it, 200 years ago it was common practice and the human animal is perfectly capable of producing offspring by that age, I can't see why we throw shit around that it's so wrong but whatever, there's worse things.

46 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-30 03:43 ID:lQ1cW4+8

>>45 I think part of it is that although we are capable of producing offspring, we often aren't as mature. Also, many people equate getting married with losing many other opportunities (fewer married women continue to attend school, for example) and starting a family; girls aren't raised to be ready to start family that young anymore. Women used to be married off so young partly because lifespans used to be shorter, and unlike men, women are only fertile for a limited amount of time. Besides, starting a family young wasn't as difficult in the past, because the farther back you go the more extended families were, and the more that raising children was a community effort, undertaken by grandparents, aunts, uncles, older siblings, and neighbors, as well as the parents.

47 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-30 04:19 ID:1G9oIQN2

Perhaps but I don't think that's really a good thing, I don't want to derail the thread but perhaps it's already been done. We put more emphasis on individual careers and private successes and leave the family behind which is the greatest source of happiness in our lives. People are less happy and every effort to gain wealth and power doesn't bring us any happiness.

It's wishful thinking but if we regained the emphasis on families and less on the importance of careers we'd be happier, marrying that young then doesn't hurt as much as people think it will. In fact, it would probably even help and I find it sweet personally, to take a girl before she's jaded and bitter like all the college girls I meet. I don't search for girls that young so you know, I keep dating girls my age so I don't want you concerned I'm some crazy underage girl stalker.

I guess we'll find out when we're all dead and able to learn from God which way of life is best for men and women to have lived but by then it's rather late.

48 Name: Garrison : 2008-08-31 17:56 ID:ipWys6VJ

What is wrong with a 23 year old dating a 15 year old. I do the same thing all the time, 13 year olds? bring them on. 12 year olds? bring them on. the younger they are the better they feel with my cock. OP i'm with you all the way, lets go to the day care center and pick us up some hot babes, i'll bring the candy and you bring the van. we will rock with our cocks out and later we can go to chuck e cheeses and rumble in the balls with the little boys.

49 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-08-31 22:17 ID:DLgpN7Nx

>>47

>I guess we'll find out when we're all dead and able to learn from God which way of life is best for men and women to have lived but by then it's rather late.
>I guess we'll never find out.

Fix'd.

50 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-09-02 07:58 ID:9Ssct4lu

My grandparents had an eight year age difference when they got married. They had five children, lived a good life, and are still married to this day.

To everyone yelling at the op to abandon the bit of happiness that he and his girl have managed to find, FUCK YOU. If the op was just interested in sex with the girl, he'd just have sex with the girl, secretly, and be done with it. If the op was just interested in sex with a minor, he'd find one whose parents just didn't care.

Instead, he has come seeking legal advice on how he can protect his love from an overly litigious society that seems hell bent on jumping at every shadow it can find. He's not in it for the sex, he obviously actually wants this relationship to work out.

To the op, don't listen to the naysayers, but some of the advice on here is good. Make sure your behavior is above reproach. Go on chaperoned dates. Be respectful to your girl's family. Be up front and honest about your relationship. Above all else, be patient. In three years, the world belongs to the two of you. For now, demonstrate your love and dedication to her by being perfect.

51 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-09-05 12:33 ID:m8ooPAUc

holy crap where is chris hansen when you need him? freaking perv. go date someone your own age. fucking weirdo. dont defend this son of a bitch.

52 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-09-05 23:10 ID:3IIc0Bg2

This is generally the problem faced with such a relationship. Hardly anyone asks or considers the main reasons people are together. They look at the age and go fucking insane because they can't understand why other than it HAS to be because the girl/guy is young, thus more attractive. Fucking stupid.

>51

By the way, Chris Hansen deals with pedophiles. 15+ year olds is jailbait, liking <= 14 year olds is pedophilia.

53 Name: bingo : 2008-09-06 01:15 ID:oeA7kWKP

OK, does anyone consider why there is an age limit? Because minors are often immature and have bad judgement because they are young and lack experience. That does not mean all minors are immature, that does not mean all adults are mature and have good judgement, but overall the younger you are the more likely you will be immature and unable to make good decisions. Thus the reason why minors are given extra protection by the law.

So if Mr. OP is destined to be the soulmate of this wonderful 15 year old he will be able to wait the three years until she is legal and then they can go off and do all the wonderful adult things we adults do. If he can't manage that, then he should break it off, instantly. He should have respect for both her, and acknowledge that she is still a child, and the law.

54 Name: Kindress : 2008-09-06 03:49 ID:3IIc0Bg2

OP here.

>>53

I still watch this thread almost every day just to see what silly or encouraging things people have to say. I will admit that the SINGLE THING THAT WORRIES ME ABOUT HER IS THAT SHE'S 15. It's an inconvenience of me, who is over 18. Regardless, I am absolutely prepared to stick with things for the next 2 1/2 years until she turns legal in this state. Legal for sex, marriage, etc. We can then take things much, much farther. I'm in love, and if I was going to take relationship advice from people who thought I was a weirdo or a pervert for liking a girl in every way, regardless of her age, I would have broken things off a long time ago.

55 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-09-06 13:54 ID:sR2poOZj

>>53

Pfft. What about those of us who still lack experience at 25? Who protects us?

Basically someone doesn't mature until they get "experience". If you prohibit them getting "experience" then of course they won't be mature.

56 Name: bingo : 2008-09-06 15:38 ID:oeA7kWKP

OP, good for you. If you can handle waiting then simply keep waiting. I wonder why you keep posting if your conscious is so clear.
#55: Are you arguing that children should not be protected by law? Should we give a credit card to a fifteen year old? Should we let twelve year olds drive? Or let a fourteen year old marry and have children? Children are still maturing and growing and are much less capable of good judgement.

Once your eighteen you are still developing, but society has assumed you have matured enough to make good decision based on thinking before doing. Sure, there are adults that are immature even after they turn eighteen. That is why you see so many still living at home. By 25 you are mature enough to pay your own expenses, handle your relationships, drive a car, hold down a good job, etc. If you cannot it is not by fault of the law, or the fault of development, it is your own fault or the fault of bad circumstances.

The law is meant to protect everyone, those that are young and inexperienced get extra protection because we are responsible for them until they are old enough to manage their own affairs.

57 Name: Kindress : 2008-09-06 21:57 ID:3IIc0Bg2

>>56

Well, I made the thread and it's still getting responses, so it still interests me. Negative and narrow-minded comments gives me lulz, and positive comments give me a little extra boost of hope. Sometimes it's fun to see how brash and hateful people are on the internet towards you when they have no clue what they're talking about.

... why does my captcha have the letters "fap" at the end of the word?

58 Name: Secret Admirer : 2008-09-07 00:56 ID:jwEPKMFL

>>57

perhaps it's a sign of some sort

59 Name: urekun : 2008-09-10 08:52 ID:ipWys6VJ

If I speak of this, he would already know who I am. But like having known OP for a long time and lived with him for a while. He's really not a sexual guy, you can put a nude woman in front of him and he would be playing a game rather than fucking her. With the whole situation of the 15 and 23 year old and reading the negative comments and positive comments, I really do not believe that people are sincerely against his relationship with a 15 year old. I really believe those people are just jealous and unable to find love themselves. Anyways, I met this girl, she reminded me of a friend of mine and she's very socially withdrawn from society. So, it's nice that she's able to escape from that "cage"

blahblah I'm going to bed, I got school >.>

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