1 There are too many songs to list here, you should listen to most. Note 2pac has sometimes an ironic and/or sarcastic style and most of what I said above about deep lyrics apply here.
2 Eminem talks about "gangster" rappers, fools that imitate them, the media, how he et al just write gangsta lyrics to sell. You don't have to listen to the song, you can just take a look at the lyrics instead.
3 I cannot deside whether these guys are racist and morons or not. Their lyrics appear to be quite deep, however other songs suggest they are the typical type of black thinking the whites are out to get him.
4 Lauryn is incredible. Here's a quote from her
—I am sorry if I am about to offend some of you. I did not accept my invitation to celebrate with you the birth of Christ. Instead I ask you why you are not in mourning for him in this place? I want to ask you, what have you got to say about the lives you have broken? What about the families who were expecting God and instead were cheated by the Devil? Who feels sorry for them, the men, women and children damaged psychologically, emotionally and mentally by the sexual perversions and abuse carried out by the people they believed in? Holy God is a witness to the corruption of your leadership, of the exploitation and abuses which are the minimum that can be said for the clergy. There is no acceptable excuse to defend the church.
shut up
rap sucks
dragon force rules
>>2
I'm not really into the whole trolling thing, so, no.
I haven't particularly liked rap ever since "nigga" became the commas and punctuation marks and signal of end of stanzas and ever since it became only about wearing certain brands of clothing, shoes, and passing it to a-rab (see: soulja boy), doing absolutely ridiculous nonsensical obnoxious/dangerous things (see: ghost riding the whip/spinnaz), and as Marge Simpson put it, "disrespect to hoes".
>>4
I a privileged college-age male WASP though so I have a predisposition to this type of biased thinking. My apologies if the bias is absurd.
>>4,5
OP here, indeed these are retarded.
When I ask you if you like death metal, do you have in mind the retarded fans (because let's admit it, most look ridiculous too) or do you think of some good bands?
Anyway, you don't like rap, that's fine I guess :P.
The best hip-hop is from the US east coast in the early '90s, such as:
Jeru the Damaja
Big Daddy Kane
Showbiz & A.G.
Black Moon
Smif-N-Wessun
Big L
Scientifik
Gang Starr
Son of Bazerk
early Wu-Tang Clan
Pete Rock/CL Smooth
shut up, you faggots with your OOH THIS MTV HIPPITYHOP IS SOOO COOWL srsly, go listen to some hiphop, or at least try to understand what it is about, before you start listening to eminem and say that shit IZ DA BOMDIGGY YOYO
also, aesop rock
>>7
Nice list
>>8
Was that... directed at me? (OP)
If so, whoa, you totally misunderstood my post; to the point I'd boldly claim mental retardation from your part.
Moreover, aesop rock has weak beats & lyrics. There are WAY better rappers out there.
And it's rap not hip-hop.
Hip-hop is the whole package, not just the music.
On top of that, I have never ever in my whole life watched MTV.
And your witty remark about eminem is false too (or rather, the implication thereof).
Eminem has some good songs and a unique style.
I'm quite appalled that you qualify Bloodhound Gang as rap/hip-hop, even if the voice is principally rapped. Well why not, after all.
I do enjoy some old school hip-hop (MC Hammer and the like), and I really love abstract hip-hop. What keeps me away from the rest is principally the lack of musicality/technicity, the whole "ghetto" thematics that never changes, and so on.
I like artists like Saul Williams, DJ Shadow, Prefuse 73, RJD2, Fingathing, Nujabes and so on, because I really get the feeling they're doing music. Not just drop a beat and spit their anxiety on it (I don't even speak of the more commercial gangsta rap shit).
I really like when there is depth in the lyrics - or even better, when the lyrics are of high poetic value instead of "I'm not saying that society sucks, but hey, it sucks", because this obviously bores me quite quickly. Rap shouldn't be the possession of desperate ghetto people; it was born this way, but can be a really powerful way of expression/musical style in the hands of people who have other things to say. Like blues/jazz has evolved and mutated a lot from the "slave music" to the other styles derived from it.
If some of you people can speak/understand french, or are willing to look at translations, there are some groups over here that are interesting either for their distinctive sound, highly poetic lyrics, or both. Check out Java (rap with some accordion and other instruments, really cool lyrics), Svinkels ('punk rap'), Stupeflip (awesomeness, madness and other superlatives in -ness, really strange band though), Syrano (his lyrics are awesome), and ye olde school MC Solaar.
You forgot A Tribe Called Quest :P Modern R&B and hip-hop/rap is nothing like its progenitors, and in my opinion R&B means 60s/70s R&B, and hip-hop/rap means late 80s-mid 90s hip-hop/rap.
There is some good modern stuff. Fort Minor was just a one-shot by Mike Shinoda but really shows the influence of 90s classic rap/hip-hop; and "One A.M." by Diverse is an excellent hip-hop/breakbeat album. Eminem as a rapper was phenomenally skilled ("Lose Yourself" and "Without Me" are the only songs of his I can listen to), but wasted most of it on the crap that is what much of current "hip-hop" has mutated into. Lupe Fiasco is an interesting mix of new sounds, and old lyrics; I think he's the only active, high-profile mainstream hip-hop artist/rapper who's really doing things right. Most of the other good stuff has been pushed underground by the record labels, but the internet is helping to remedy that.
I'm quite appalled that you qualify Bloodhound Gang as rap/hip-hop, even if the voice is principally rapped. Well why not, after all.
I really like when there is depth in the lyrics - or even better, when the lyrics are of high poetic value instead of "I'm not saying that society sucks, but hey, it sucks", because this obviously bores me quite quickly.
Eminem as a rapper was phenomenally skilled ("Lose Yourself" and "Without Me" are the only songs of his I can listen to), but wasted most of it on the crap that is what much of current "hip-hop" has mutated into.
im quite fond of mclars
>>12
Hehe, alright, sorry then for my remark about Bloodhound Gang. Did you try to listen to some of the bands I listed? I believe you can easily listen to at least some of them on Deezer.
Hey uh what do you all think of Immortal Technique? I've been looking for new music and a friend of mine recommended him.
>>7 You know you're stuff. I like the jazz hip hop movement. Guru's Jazzmatazz volumes, A Tribe Called Quest, Digable Planets, The Pharcyde...that's my subway music on the way to school.
I do not know HIP HOP well.
However, I frequently listen to DJ mix CDR of local.
The following are participating artists of mix CDR.
DOSH_ZELBED T MOORE
LMNO_THE WORD
SONICSUM_FILMS
EROSADIS_ROTTEN APPLE
RED TIDE_FABRIC ADDICTS
ALIAS_FINAL ACT
THE PRESENCE_POISON
MANWEAK_MANBELOWUDERGROUND
ODD NOSDAM_PLAN 9...MEAT YOUR HYPNOTIS
BOOM BIP&DOSE ONE_CIRCLE
EL-P_TRUANCY
LEFTFIELD_DOUBLE FLASH
CLOUDDEAD_JIMMY BREEZE
WHY__BAD ENTROPY
THE WEATHER_CARL WEATHERS
SLUG AND EL-P_RPM REVOLUTIONS PER MINUTE PT.2.1
ANTI POP CONSORTIUM_STRETCH TIME
S.A.SMASH_SMASH TV feat.CAGE
MR.LIF_HOME OF THE BRAVE
NATURAL SHINE_STYLE NOTICE
ONLY OZZBORN_HEAVEN IS COMING
KONFIDENT_STAY FOCUSED
What do you think of these artists?
The 90's- begin 2000 were the best, after that they tried TOO HARD and failed horrible (example: missy with her beats (when she was fat she was cool), Dmx first albums (now he seriously sucks), etc etc.)
Some of my favorite
Timbalond & Magoo
Dmx
Pac&Biggie
Jedi Mind Tricks
Outcast (before their hype)
etc etc
>>15
Immortal Technique is fucking great. Common Market is good too.
i like underground hip hop.
i'm japanese nanashisan.
i think the mid 80's~ early 90's is golden era of hip hop.
I agree with >>21, I think the best hip hop from that era cannot be beat. Although it is a different mood, I recently got the album "Masters of the Universe" by Binary Star. It's excellent.
I was really into Public Enemy for a while.
cadence weapon is brilliant
that is all
>>22
Thanks for your response, I'm agree too.＼(^o^)／
>>Binary Star
Oh, I know the group!
I got "One Be Lo"'s album lately.
I feel It is good vibe music.:)
mclars got his space age play
Lupe Fiasco.
Intelligent, talented, thoughtful, and unique. The last, best hope for modern mainstream Hip-Hop. The anti-Soulja.
"Dumb it Down" is the most important Hip-Hop song dropped in the past decade. Nothing short of an indictment of the entire "sippin Krystal an smokin mah blunt wiv mah bling in mah Escalade an mah bitches supaman dat ho huuuuurrrrrrrr" chasm that modern rap has fallen into.
His three "Fahrenheit 1/15" mixtapes were better than 99% of the mainstream Hip-Hop albums released these days.
Don't argue.
Never heard of, but interested in checking out the records. Thanks.
Necro
Danny Diablo
Ill Bill