What does everyone think of Web2.0's sociality(eg del.icio.us, digg, flickr, etc) in comparison to Anonymous-based systems(4-ch, 4chan, iichan, etc)?
IMHO, sociality does exactly the opposite of one of the goals of Anonymous-based systems, and that is counter vanity. The sociality of it all means that it's designed to create cliques, social groups, and, inevitably, stereotypes. Which are bad, of course.
I think it has shown some use in content categorization and journalism. The rise in anime review blogs has helped me a lot in finding new, interesting shows. For discussion it's not very practical. Like someone else said, blogs are more about people talking to themselves than conversing with others.
One thing I find odd about it is this new proof of identification system they've got floating around(I forget the name). It's essentially an analoge to tripcodes, in that they can provide verification of comment entries coming from one unique source across multiple blogs/websites. The idea I presume being that registered impostor accounts on another site would be more easily distinguished. The system is somehow tied into ownership of a website, and appears really cumbersome to me from what little I've read of it. It seems to me like a ridiculous amount of effort just so someone else doesn't use your name when commenting on another nobody's blog entry. This probably says a lot about the difference in the anonymous and "social" mindsets, but I don't think I can articulate it properly.
>>2
OpenID. I didn't even realize you could correllate the two. But yeah, I guess they do have the same purpose, except OpenID is meant to be a universal login, whereas for tripcodes that purpose is secondary (although 2ch2 used to have a tripcode-based PM system).
And yeah, Web 2.0 promotes people saying stupid crap just so that they get noticed in the blogosewer. Hell, I'm Shii and I do that on Digg.
Both approaches are clearly social. We're all different people here.
Neither is this new, because the Internet has been used for communication since the get go. "Web2.0" is just an attempt by bloggers to capture an already long-existing phenomenon in order to inflate their useless self worth.
Their opinion Matters, amirite?
>>4
u r so rite
After reading more about this OpenID thing, if it's based on you trusting some other site you're posting on, what stops someone else from using your URL once you've set that trust?
You set up an OpenID server on a site you control, or you use someone else's OpenID server that you trust. I'm not sure what kind of weakness you're suggesting there.
I mean if all you have to enter is a website address, what prevents someone else from putting in that address?
Fuck Web2.0 and fuck webID. Fuck bloggers !!
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>>4
Er, you should probably consider that I use the term "Sociality" to make what I meant easier to understand, it has no real deaper meaning.
>I think it has shown some use in content categorization and journalism.
Well, yes and no, del.icio.us(as an example) does have some good concepts, I find it's virtually unusable due to the lack of implemented standards. Looking for something of a particular category, you need all mutations of the word in question, and related categories.
I think >>1 is being a little too broad when referring to web 2.0 as "sociality". Certain web 2.0 sites/tools like digg and wiki either function or could function under an anonymous member system.
If you want to talk about blogs, or podcasts, or whatever vs anonymous forums... I think both are good. Actually, I really think a web community, like a forum, should either let you have a strong identity (big avatars, sigs, blog, rep points etc) or let you have anonymity. Nothing inbetween.
Either I want the potential of getting strong recognition and having a good reputation, or I want to be completely free and anonymous so I can say whatever. If it's inbetween you just suffer the flaws of both systems... being hard to recognize when you do something good and just recognizable enough when you do something bad.
anonymity is Web 3.0.
>>16
maybe it was being used for spam or something. I'm not sure.
To each thier own i guess. i prefer the anonymousness of 2chan
>>7
What stops that someone else entering the address is that the address they enter will be pointing to your OpenID service, which will have given your browser a token, not theirs.
On a blog which allows non-OpenID comments, someone could enter your address without penalty, which is why in the future, we should start enforcing some form of identity checking on blogs which require it.
That being said, OpenID is not ideal as it requires the commenting party to have a web site. I know a lot of people who have an email address and no web site, or have an email address and a Jabber ID, and so forth. Passel would solve a lot of that kind of issue since it allows virtually unlimited methods of identification.
Passel?
Elaborate, please.
>>19 makes this thread interesting.