REDBY, Minn. Mar 22, 2005 — The suspect in the worst U.S. school massacre since Columbine smiled and waved as he gunned down five students, a teacher and a guard, asking one of his victims whether he believed in God, witnesses said. The teen's grandfather and his grandfather's wife also were found dead, and the boy killed himself.
Reggie Graves, a student at Red Lake High School, said he was watching a movie about Shakespeare in class Monday when he heard the gunman blast his way past the metal detector at the school's entrance, killing a guard.
Then, in a nearby classroom, he heard the gunman say something to his friend Ryan: "He asked Ryan if he believed in God," Graves said. "And then he shot him."
lenta.ru headline: "killer teenager was a goth and a satanist"
(also "he played video games" and "was bad at school").
☐ฺ Emo
☑ฺ Satanist
☑ฺ Goth
☑ฺ Bad at school
☑ฺ Video games
☑ฺ Marilyn Manson
☑ฺ Internet access
☑ฺ Teenager
being "goth" implies being "emo" nowadays. isn't that the same anyway?
I was about to say -- whatever one might bring up against the U.S - oh my word, they do have some strong goths there. Here, goths are whiny losers with a corpse fetish in black clothes that post on liverjournal and wear rotating ankhs. Over there, they rage like a hurricane, shoot all and suicide for justice. I mean, that's the kind of grim shit I'd expect from zovjet radiomutante-larva-goths, but no, once again it's Corporate America that can build ANYTHING!
No, most goths are whiny losers over here too. Just with a population of 300 million, you get some exceptions to the rule.
I still think these kids are whiny losers. Just because their one-time-once-and-for-all-payback is a suicide mission with no sense (the killings have almost always been random - kids have never really bombed a place or something like that) doesn't make them anything but lil' loons. Would they live and grow up, they'd probably look back at this one day and be pretty emberassed by this whole shit.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usguns/Story/0,2763,1443322,00.html
Well, looks like the Russians got it all wrong. He wasn't a goth nor a satanist, he was a native american libertarian green national socialist. Holy dickens! Is that shit even street legal?
>>9 / http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread49741/pg
looking at that vile animated gif smiley right there, it isn't very surprising it had to end like this ("a heavily armed student apparently opened fire at a high school while waving and smiling at his potential victims"). maybe we should just ban emoticons.
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Refer to http://www.nazi.org/ , an absolutely hilarious site.
The kid's Livejournal:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/weise/
"Here" where? Sounds just like Russia for me.
I love the internet sometimes.
http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=weise
"I'm nothin' but your average Native American stoner. I'm mellow half the time, mostly natural, but mostly drug induced as well. I'm not a junkie, or an alcoholic, MJ is my gal' of choice. Enough about that though, I don't know why you're readin' this anyway. I'm gonna roll this joint so I'll c'ya later..."
Drugs + guns = recipe for disaster. It's not the trenchcoat/video game/etc.'s fault.
I'm still convinced that
liverjournal + people = recipe for disaster ("User Picture Keywords: Rammstein.")
Your conjecture has an easily overlooked catch:
Kurt "Headshot" Cobain had both drugs and guns in abundance but did he shoot up a school? --- NO! Did he ever use liverjournal? --- again NO! Would he ever have added "main interest: HIPPIE ERA MENTALITY." (jrkdf, Good job soldier!x10000) to his suicide note? --- also NO!
Can't disagree with the facts!
Well, there is drug and drug. I suspect that some substances are more suspect than others. Almost each time there is an unexplained shooting, especially if the killer shot his loved ones, I find an instance of drug use. And I don't mean just the illegal ones - in fact the legal ones may be worse. Too bad that this part gets overlooked each time - where is the autopsy of the killer? Was he high that day? On what? Was he following some medical cure? What was given to him?
But you are right, there is an extra ingredient: the guy had an intent to kill. And here is where the drug enters in the scene: the most dangerous drug is the one that takes off the inhibition to kill.
>>18
five minutes of sobriety:
I don't quite see what you mean by unexplained?
And I am not sure that part is being overlooked; perhaps it is just that the autopsy results often come in when the media interest has worn off and that the conclusions from the autopsy (and other investigation) are not as simple as the standard "INTERNET"/"SATAN"/COUNTERSTRIKE"/"INSANITY" answer. And that is why I am somewhat reluctant in regard to the "drugs" statement (no matter how austere my private attitude on the matter is), it sounds like the typical Fire-And-Forget answer.
Unexplained, as in there is no motive, it's an irrational act.
Oh and be careful with the booze. :)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64315-2005Mar24_2.html
The last time he saw a mental health professional at the Red Lake hospital was on Feb. 21, she said. She remembers the date because it was the same day he refilled his prescription for 60 milligrams a day of Prozac, which he had been taking since last summer.
>>20
I mean "sobriety" as in "seriousness", not "soberness"...
>>21
_ Seventeen days before the shooting, Weise brought a videotape of the movie "Elephant," based on the killings at Columbine High, to Grant's house and insisted that they fast-forward to the shooting scenes. "He liked the gore," Grant said._
When the gory part was over, Grant said, Weise got up and went to his grandmother's house. He said he was going home to get his medication and gave the impression that he would be right back. He never came back, and that was the last time Grant saw him.
AHA! It was TV after all...sigh
Cannabis is not going to make you go shoot up a school (ololol "shoot up"). Some drugs might make you paranoid or just plain crazy enough to start shooting people, but cannabis is not that kind of drug. It's more likely to make you sit on your couch and listen to bad music.
And Prozac?
>>24
hoho, dangerous territory you're treading on here, what with the outright sci-war going on over the consequences of 5HIAA concentration (Mann: NO RESULTS vs Wagner: AGGRESSIVE RATS).
And Luvox? (=Columbine)
>>26
Note: all of the following info is strongly debated in academic circles and you might aswell flip a coin at the current point to decide whom you believe.
Anyways, in Prozac and similar drugs (Fluctin, Fludac), the fluoxetine that inhibits the serotonine reduction processes causes the 5HIAA-levels (accrued by serotonin breakdown processes) to fall. When you then discontinue therapy, the drug's euphorizing effects wear off - but the 5HIAA level hits an all-time low. George Wagner of Rutgers associated this with aggressive behavior in lab mice (a view highly debated by John Mann of Columbia U), which, on the day after the Prozac therapy was discontinued, displayed extremely aggressive behaviour.
Now, Luvox, which is based on fluxovamine (a SSRI similar to fluoxetine in the basic working principles, but with different side effects) essentially shows the same withdrawal effects, but tends to have a greater impact on manic behaviour in ~5%, and the effect of rapid discontinuation is much higher, with withdrawal symptoms lasting as long as 21 (!) days. Interestingly, in some patients, fluxovamine fosters depression and suicidal behavior, but in my unworthy and eternally humble opinion it would be a bit of a stretch to link that to a school shooting. An increasing number of specialists suggests that more attention needs to be paid to the Miguel-Bombarda-effect here than to the actual drug, but alas, that's very nasty and displeasing for all sides involved and therefore uncalled for.
Yeah but that's withdrawal effects. The guy was on the drug.
Same for:
[suicidal behavior and school shootings]
For a kid at school, school = his life. It could be construed as an extended suicide, he killed "himself" ...all parts of it.
What do you mean by the Miguel-Bombarda effect, patients with personality disorders who are using the threat of self-harm as a means of demanding affections from others? Well, he didn't threat... or did he?
>Yeah but that's withdrawal effects. The guy was on the drug.
exactly.
>For a kid at school, school = his life. It could be construed as an extended suicide, he killed "himself" ...all parts of it.
>What do you mean by the Miguel-Bombarda effect, patients with personality disorders who are using the threat of self-harm as a means of demanding affections from others?
Named after the Hospital Miguel Bombarda, which was exemplified by Antunes famous depiction of psychiatrists in said Institution, which could not care less about their patients' actual problems and who, full of ignorance and devoid of any actual clue, pump them full of psychotropics, so as to turn them into sexless, lobotomized, unemotional zombies, which are easy to care for and equally easy to list as "healed". It's become somewhat of a dictum, because the problem prevails and maybe always will prevail, that it's easier for both the doctor and the patient to pick a powerful drug ("angelkiller") and be done with it, instead of long-winded potentially painful and elaborate therapy.
Especially with blockers that's a huge problem (doesn't matter what base, fluxovamine, fluoxetine, paroxetine, sertraline, you name it), especially prozac, luvox and paxil, are being prescribed for disorders they're were never meant for and/or people are just chewing them down like cookies, because it's cheaper and easier than solving your problems ("lifestyle drugs" doesn't even remotely describe it). Especially in the U.S. that's a problem, with people taking mutan-f to relieve PMS (at this point, imagine bubu standing on a cliff, arms wide open, screaming what-the-fuck? at the top of his lungs), prozac to get over school stress, luvox (and OCD drug) to alleviate obesity and so forth - what I'm saying is, the problem isn't the drug per se, but the ignorant and preferably cost-effective prescription routine amongst psychiatrists.
Amen to that.
I've been trying for some time now to compose a real post in this thread but I really can't do it without sounding incredibly self-important and arrogant so I'm just going to say:
Blah blah blah confusing causes and symptoms blah blah school sucks blah blah blah treating students like criminals blah blah blah blah.
Virtually all of America is on drugs.
>I really can't do it without sounding
who cares how you sound...?
I blame the music industry.
Flash he made:
>>32
This would explain a lot about the internet.
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