4th commercial air crash this month (20)

1 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-08-16 22:49 ID:qkMPMs2o

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1738513,00.html
"Aug 2: 309 escape death when an Air France A340 burst into flames on landing in Toronto

Aug 6: Tunisian aircraft carrying 39 from Italy crash lands in sea off Sicily, killing 13

Aug 14: Helios Airlines Boeing 737 crashes north of Athens, killing 121

Aug 16: West Caribbean Airways aircraft crashes in Venezuela, killing 160"

What's going on...

2 Name: Unverified Source 2005-08-17 17:54 ID:Ba7CzQij

I forget: Is it statistically safest to fly now or not?

3 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-08-17 20:21 ID:qkMPMs2o

Flying is okay, it's crashing that's unsafe.
This month's stats indicate that only 25% survive a crash.

4 Name: Unverified Source 2005-08-18 06:52 ID:a8oNnOIz

There's a higher risk of dying in a car accident than flying a plane.

5 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-08-18 13:04 ID:N2jLhw12

I've always wondered about that old line.

What't the comparison metric? The chance of dying at any given moment in a car or in an airline? The chance of dying per kilometer travelled? What?

6 Name: Unverified Source 2005-08-18 16:14 ID:Heaven

90% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
99% of those don't care about "comparison metrics".

7 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-08-18 19:30 ID:55o3g984

According to some US statistic, walking is 36 times more dangerous than driving. :)

8 Name: Unverified Source 2005-08-19 00:59 ID:ME6nCGJC

>>4

well look at the number of cars to the number of comerchal and privat aircraft...whene you look you will find that the chances for a crash in a car is greater because there are juest so many people driving(and i have seen alot of stupid drivers too) im shure that if the number of people flying where the same as the number of people right now driving acsadents would be juest as frequent

9 Name: Unverified Source 2005-08-19 02:28 ID:Heaven

>>7

Sure, if you're walking in the middle of a highway.

10 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-08-19 13:54 ID:55o3g984

>>8 Exactly.
As there are less chances of survival in a plane crash than an a car crash, if everybody had a plane a car would be safer than a plane, using the ratio numbers of car/plane crash vs number of survivors. Unless one uses Boeing's trick of comparing miles travelled, then it probably goes into the favor of the plane.

What I don't get is why they don't add an auto-landing autopilot. Or a remote-control for landing. To prevent abuse, the auto-land would have to be activated by someone on board. Or, the auto-land could be deactivated by someone on board, priority being given to the ones aboard over the control tower.

11 Name: Unverified Source 2005-08-21 14:08 ID:ITv15rOY

Four crashes? Must be because of the gas prices, damn cheapass airlines.

12 Name: Unverified Source 2005-08-23 19:28 ID:ZVc90Cky

>>9
Walking on the sidewalk isn't much safer, if someone decides the right turn lane or parking lane isn't far right enough.

I once had a blind driver leave a parking lot and enter the roadway from the end of the crosswalk I was in; not crossing it, but driving down it. The only thing that really saved me was that he was approaching from in front of me and not from behind.

13 Name: Unverified Source 2005-08-25 01:47 ID:ePFBUQtR

5GET

14 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-08-25 04:58 ID:h7G5038q

Yeah there has been a 5th one.
I'm holding on reporting the news because I can't find a news report that isn't contradictory one way or the other.
Why did the pilot try to crash land into a marsh?
Did the landing gear fail or was it intentional to not pull it out?
Why didn't he try to land on the nearby road? Was the road too small?
What kind of "bad weather" did the plane run into and what were the effects on the plane?

Also for all these other planes, I want to know if the companies were low-cost. Supposedly there is a practice done by the low-costs (and maybe regular companies too) to grab planes from plane graveyards and refurbish them. Was this the case here? Were those planes old planes? Hmm...

15 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-08-25 14:06 ID:KiDFwez0

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4172740.stm
"The Cypriot airliner that crashed in Greece had lost cabin pressure and run out of fuel, investigators say."

"Mr Tsolakis said the plane's black box voice recorder indicated someone had repeatedly tried to send an emergency mayday signal."

"But the emergency calls were not picked up by Athens Air Traffic Control, possibly because they were being transmitted on the wrong frequency."

16 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-08-25 14:11 ID:KiDFwez0

http://iafrica.com/news/sa/475967.htm
[Peru plane]
"Despite initial reports that the plane experienced problems with its undercarriage and landed without wheels, Tans spokesperson, Jorge Belevan told reporters the plane was coming in to land when strong crosswinds and turbulence caused it to crash.

Safair has sealed the plane's technical reports in accordance with South African Civil Aviation Authority regulations, and they will be made available to the investigating team should they be needed."

17 Name: Unverified Source 2005-08-26 18:42 ID:UX83kB6A

it's the aliens!

18 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-08-27 00:07 ID:KiDFwez0

I have been thinking about that August Perseid Meteor Shower... I'm just not sure if all this fallout doesn't affect electronics in some way.

19 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-08-27 20:32 ID:Heaven

http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-20050826-17523300-bc-us-asteroids.xml
"Dust from asteroids entering the atmosphere may influence Earth's weather more than previously believed, say U.S., Canadian and Australian researchers.

Scientists from the Australian Antarctic Division, the University of Western Ontario, the Aerospace Corporation, and Sandia and Los Alamos national laboratories found evidence that dust from an asteroid burning up as it descended through Earth's atmosphere formed a cloud of micron-sized particles, significant enough to influence local weather in Antarctica."

20 Name: Sling!XD/uSlingU 2005-09-05 05:52 ID:Heaven

http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=tnBusinessNews&storyID=nSP165792&imageid=&cap=
"Sept 5 (Reuters) - Around 100 people are feared dead after an Indonesian Boeing 737-200 crashed into a residential area in the city of Medan on Monday just after takeoff, breaking into pieces and setting fire to homes."

"Speaking at a news conference in Jakarta, a Mandala official, Asril Tanjung, said the plane had been made in 1981 and was fit for eight more years of flying."

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