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>>7
Except the only instances where people have agreed that a crime was done in the name of liberty has been when a gun is pointing at their heads because liberty has a logical definition and cannot be misunderstood. People gleefully murder and execute in the name of religions and ideals such as anarchism, socialism and islam without any coercion or provocation whatsoever, which is why they are dangerous. The biggest example being the holocaust by national socialists despite the strain on vital war resources this entailed.
Anarchists want liberty
Socialists want their own idea of liberty
Islamists want liberty from aggressive American interests.
National socialists wanted the liberty of a standing army, self-determination, not being terrorized by communist militias, taking back what they felt was theirs.
> a logical definition and cannot be misunderstood.
In a dictionary, but not in public consciousness.
> only instances where people have agreed that a crime was done in the name of liberty has been when a gun is pointing at their heads
The one holding the gun would disagree.
Left:
Women should have the liberty to choose what to do with their bodies.
Right:
A baby should have the liberty to a chance at life.
Left:
I should have the liberty to freedom of/from religion.
Right:
I should have the liberty to proselytize to people like my religion requires.
Left:
Those people should have the liberty to not be murdered.
Right:
We should have the liberty to not be murdered by those people.
Meaningless.
>>9
>>8 here.
All you are saying is that people are using different concepts and call it liberty, not that the actual definition of liberty is a flawed concept. People who take the actual definition of liberty to it's logical conclusion are members of neither the left or the right.
Left:
An 9 month old fetus is not sapient.
Right:
A fertilised ovum is sapient.
Truth:
Significant neural activity begins when a fetus is 20 weeks old.
Left:
I should have the liberty to restrict freedom of speech of religions I don't like.
Right:
I should have the liberty to harass people in the name of my religion.
Truth:
A person should be able to prove a person's actions cause them distress before restricting contact with them.
Left:
Those people should have the liberty to not be murdered.
Right:
We should have the liberty to not be murdered by those people
Truth:
No one should be murdered, but the real world is not like that. Action must be taken against those with intent to murder.
Leftists enjoy pretending to be the underdog and intellectuals fighting a faulty status quo but in fact they make up a large proportion of the status quo and they are just stupid as the most idiotic bible camp nut except they make a lot more noise. I for one haven't been approached by even a mere jehovah's witness yet I hear leftists whine about irrelevant nonsense and be apologetic towards vicious tyrants around the globe. Wouldn't you agree!