http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/AdoptedText/ta07/ERES1580.htm
> 1. The aim of this report is not to question or to fight a belief – the right to freedom of belief does not permit that. The aim is to warn against certain tendencies to pass off a belief as science. It is necessary to separate belief from science. It is not a matter of antagonism. Science and belief must be able to coexist. It is not a matter of opposing belief and science, but it is necessary to prevent belief from opposing science.
Stopped reading there.
There is NO evidence of evolution. It is a belief. Objective science doesn't support evolution no matter how many frauds and hoaxes are fabricated to support evolution. The truth always trickles out.
Life doesn't just happen. That alone totally defies the Laws of Science.
The Judeo Christian G-D, made it happen. G-d is the Author of all science. It is no coincidence that leading evolutionists are atheists. THAT is by design. These atheistic evolutionists do not find G-d acceptable in their premises. Their premise is that there is NO G-D.
Professing to be wise they have become fools .... intolerent fools.
We "need" aliens for the fossil record because it's a mess. Who in his right mind designed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_teeth for the sharks?
Hi, I'm >>87 and I sure do love unqualified statements.
Oh is this still going on? Might as well use this thread to post hot news topics in order to bring people in via google.
Especially with morgellons and brianna denison, the important thing to remember, OP, is that glass steagall repeal will always be by your side. Mm, a nice plate of obama waffles sure does pick me up in the morning.
gq magazine might be DQN, prurigo nodularis might be internet-addicts.
Is it bad that I have no idea what these words from http://www.google.com/trends/hottrends mean?
hehe, almost forgot my captcha code.
heh.
you forgot lol, rofl, haxxorz, warez, boobs, teen, voyeur, gamez, paris hilton, britney spears, cheese...
Science is a faith like any other. It's basically what would occur if the practioners of Jewish Kaballah extended the scope of their investigations to include everything and removed the aspect of the Tanahk.
>Science is a faith like any other. It's basically what would occur if the practioners of Jewish Kaballah extended the scope of their investigations to include everything and removed the aspect of the Tanahk.
I'm studying the molecular biology of cancer at the minute and it's actually less than 50% kabbalistic mysticism (we don't even look at the biology of daemonic possesion until the second semester).
Science could be considered a 'faith' of sorts, as we cannot hope to prove every little fact of science to every individual - some facts and equations we just have to take as true to keep forging ahead.
Science, however, encourages (and forces) introspection, and often changes its 'beliefs' to better match the world. True religions do not do this.
Also, the fact that what science discovers actually corresponds to what is measured much of the time, as well as the fact that science can predict events and important happenings, makes it the winner in my book.
>>93
Accountancy is my faith. Pay your bills on time.
If it weren't for God man would still be swinging from the trees and throwing feces at each other!
Could argue the same point for lions and other large cats. Try again. >:3
You do know that, um...
evolution is pretty much proven...
...right?
I mean, there IS a crap ton of evidence that was discovered prior to the advent of modern genetics, that just happens to fit perfectly with it? Like, evolution has been observed multiple times?
You do also know that there's no reason to assume that a fairy tale intelligence made anything happen, right? Like, you could assume that natural laws set everything in place and that the point of termination is there... you know this, right?
And I'm sure you realize that evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life. That's abiogenesis.
But you knew all that, right?
......right??
You are terrified of doubting what you've been indoctrinated to believe. You read the intro to an article which made it very clear that you shouldn't be offended or feel attacked AND YOU MISSED THE ENTIRE EFFING POINT right off the bat.
You've been taught to stick your fingers in your ears and go LA LA LA FAIRY TALE.
As my captcha says, FOTT.
Lies are not inherently dirty, as they have no method of picking up or transmitting bacteria or other harmful microflora.
I can't even be bothered to read the replies except to say that I really hope that 1-san is trolling.
>>1 Actually life does just happen. They proved it at Cornell.
>>100
really? they proved this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_generation
>102 replies
LOLOLOLOLOL
>>Isn't God itself too complicated to just happen?
God doesn't happen, He IS.
I have changed my opinion from flaming atheist to believer and seeker and then to christian. All of this based on evidence I had the luxury of seeing.
Evolution needs intermediate fossiles to be proven, and there is no such thing, there are however specialists stating that such a thing is a fairytale, an impossible one.
I immediately noticed that OP post makes a justified accusation of how naturalism is a faith that passes itself off as science.
Cue all the skepticism being directed only at creationism.
Naturalism is a belief supported by faith.
So often they use an argument that starts with how there's no way to objectively test the existence of God, and rightly charge that assuming god must exist is a belief rooted in faith.
They however seem blind to the fact that the untestability means faith is required for EITHER assumption. The end result is that they basically take it that because their beliefs don't include the supernatural, places of worship, sacraments, or other visibly religious practices, that their own beliefs are unquestionable science and not a faith resting on their personal biases.
In other words, naturalists are blind to their own bias.
Now some terminology confusion. A lot of people use "evolution" where they would more appropriately use "naturalism." The key reason for this is that evolution is the primary process being extrapolated, in a form of static analysis that goes "creatures are changing, so this process must go backwards all the way explaining all diverse life."
Remarkable how many folk claim to be God's spokesmen by stating on His behalf and in His name that He has not, does not and will not use evolution as His means of creation.
>>106
Every citation on that page is from a book whose goal is to exposure fraudulent archaeology. I wonder if I read any of these supposedly edifying tomes, they'd cite that website in return.
We are so used to thinking serial, we forget that life is a massively parallel system.
>>104
yes, but doesn't naturalism, if I may use that word in the sense that I think you are using it, require less faith and fewer, smaller ontologically untenable assumptions?
Occam's Razor is relevant here. If we have, say, three models of the universe,
1) assumes the existence of two undetectable and untestable supernatural gods
2) assumes the existence of one undetectable and untestable supernatural gods
3) does not require us to assume the existence of supernatural beings in order to have a usable and useful model of the world around us
which one do you think is an appropriate place to start a scientific investigation?
Evolution doesn't exist. It's a fairy tale for people. People believe, that the can develop, move on, that they are not at an impasse. But people are the same as at the beginning of their existence. They began to dress differently and live in other dwellings, established new laws and built a new city. But everything is new - it is well forgotten old. They are a little altered his life, but not moved forward even a step. People were deadlocked in their evolution long ago.
P.s. probably i sound like a fool, because i read just a title and the first line's of post and already write an answer. But i just wanted to show my view at the existence of evolution.
Were there no evolution, all males would look the same within a species, as would all females. And DDT would have killed off every mosquito in SE-Asia already.
>>111
Excuse me the old testament says angels came down and did the dirty with humans, so clearly the genetic variation came from them.
I bet they fucked the mosquitoes too. They were like Zeus and just took whatever form got them some beastly sex.
If I return all the way up to the OP, the claim here is that there is no evidence for evolution. Well, that's one big fat lie.
There's a huge lot of evidence that evolution exists and works, literally thousands of examples and experiment results. If I should name just one of all, there's nylon-eating bacteria. Nylon is a completely artificial material, no such material has ever existed on Earth before it was created by humans and when it was created, there was no organism on Earth that could digest it. But in a few years, some bacteria surprisingly started being able to digest nylon. If god created life at the beginning and there was no evolution, the bacteria couldn't have evolved to digest nylon.
The question whether the life has evolved from common ancestors or whether it was created by some kind of god is of course completely different question. Nobody can return back in time to check that, so what we're left with is evidence in form of paleontological finds, and our beliefs. In short, we can trust science, or we can trust religion.
In my opinion, anybody is free to believe all life and humanity was created by their preferred kind of god any time they consider suitable pretty much the same as anybody is free to believe there is an angel talking to them from their cellphone. The basis of both is about the same.
Personally I prefer believing the smart people who invented cellphones that it's all caused by invisible waves of energy going through me and everything around, and similar smart people who dig in the ground searching for prehistoric fossils and putting our history together from them. But that's of course just my personal preference.
>>114
How do you know the bacteria weren't already capable of digesting it before nylon was invented?
If matter, energy,time and pancakes were eternal, that means an eternal ammount of time would need to pass before us, so they can't be eternal.
If they aren't eternal they must come from another source, and I'm out of sources if I don't place God there.
That plus: Where did the first humans get the notion that their morals should agree with the commandments so that we have them today? The fact that you blush doesn't make those morals seem like something taught in the first place.
Let's go from this demonstration of the existence of God to the point of evolution, now. If there is somebody skilled to do it, of course.
> If matter, energy,time and pancakes were eternal, that means an eternal ammount of time would need to pass before us, so they can't be eternal.
Why not?
> If they aren't eternal they must come from another source, and I'm out of sources if I don't place God there.
Try the "circle of wind" as described in Theravada Buddhist cosmology. There's just as much basis for it as there is for God, i.e. none.
> Where did the first humans get the notion that their morals should agree with the commandments so that we have them today?
You mean Judeo-Christian commandments like "thou shalt have no other gods before me?" The morals of Chinese, Japanese and Indian people certainly agree with that one.
> Let's go from this demonstration of the existence of God to the point of evolution, now. If there is somebody skilled to do it, of course.
I've always thought that people who believe in this 'God', but think He wasn't clever enough to have designed evolution and that everything He supposedly told people from 6000 years ago must have been the literal truth (rather than, say, metaphor for concepts they couldn't possibly have understood) must have a pretty low opinion of the guy's intellect.
Would you have sex with something that evolved from an ape?
>>122
I'm asexual, so no, I wouldn't have sex with anything.
>>123
Too bad. It's interested in you anyway.
In the Old Testament, there are many references made to God leading the Israelites out of bondage in Egypt with a "strong hand and outstretched arm." There, reference to God's hand is clearly metaphorical, as he uses the plagues to free the Israelites, not a giant hand. God is a transcendent being, and thus does not have hands in the human sense. I think that the same is true of where it says in Genesis 2 that God formed man from dust he had gathered; God acts through the natural processes He created to carry out his will, as befits a being of His stature. However, the Bible occasionally using figures of speech should not be taken to detract from its spiritual truth.
The Prophet Mohammad (pieces of shit be upon him)
I made a LINE stamp.
https://line.me/S/sticker/1534511
Please use it if you like i
Nice bait anon
>>131
You fucked up, you're only supposed to RANTA TAN where no one can see you!
Please listen to me！Japan is doing terrorism with state power！
Japan is famous for sloppy management of electromagnetic wave.
Japanese society Has become serious thing behind the scenes.
Electromagnetic wave is secret globally.
But Japan can`t take a cooperative attitude In the field of electromagnetic wave use.
Because some of Japanese abusing it that state secret.
They slander Japan and Japanese people and other country(America and others), and attack and threaten people,suggest that murder,Threaten to kill,using electromagnetic wave all of them.
They are antisocial terrorists with state power.
But they feel at ease.
Cause Japanese government permit terrorism！
It seems like Japanese government don`t have the motivation to prevent terrorism！
Apparently many Japanese take part in crime and playing that abusing state secret.There is a possibility that they supporting to terrorists.
Do they have awareness that it is own country？
Even though they are Japanese, it`s irresponsible!!
Who will clean up after them?
They tell terrible things to me. And they using some name of authority.
They instigate me to terrorist attack.
It seems like they are dissatisfied with society.They take it out on me.
They harass me when I living. In defecation and sex and dangerous work and bedtime and the others・・・
I think it`s a limit of a single person and the general public. It is so bad degree.
And they abusing child and animal with avatar(electromagnetic wave).Sometimes use violence on me with avatar.
And they playing pretend of homeless and handicapped person with avatar.
And they dont care about avatars body. Sometimes they don`t make them wear protection helmet and mask in dangerous work. And when I driving a car, they always make avatar come near me on purpose.
There are many people who don`t know the common sense in Japanese authorities.
They are shame of Japan,but I think that should not forgive their action for society.
This is international problem.Only Japan should not be allowed in the world.
It seems like they are dissatisfied with America.
But I think that Japan needs strict supervision for the maintenance of peace by advanced country.
In Japan, it is terrible human rights violations with electromagnetic wave by authorities.
It is doing in many people for one person confidentially. I want American people to know it.
We should keep a lookout for human rights violations.
Even though many Japanese people Pass the buck to me,they making money by fake news referring to these problem！And Japan make money using electromagnetic wave,but they don't clean up them.They are not do anything what they should do.This is Japan`s reality .
Japan failed education for confidential user.
They try to make bad things like good things with a large number of people.
They seem to think they can do it from now on.It is the cause of a filthy society.
They say many things to walk away from their responsibility.
Please know the name of Japanese terrorists.
Please share this information in each country！！
Please help Japanese people and avatar.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Ichirou Matsushita
※These are story of Imagination.I am afraid of Japanese government and Japanese law. These are terrorist act in Japan,if these are real.I never know what the government will do next.Please be watchful.
I wish I knew how to dance.