moe? tsundere? [Otaku talk] (61)

1 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-09-30 11:05 ID:bNNCrHwR

Hi, I was watching lucky star and I was wondering what tsundere means. And how about moe? Does it mean a cute girl?

2 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-09-30 11:42 ID:y95YiK4q

3 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-09-30 13:47 ID:8MaPzFqN

tsundere's meaning is confused in Japan.
See Wikipedia,
This page looks correct so-so.

At first, tsundere is used as "combative character at first, and becomes sweet later", at Japanese BBS "あやしいわーるど@暫定(strange world @ zantei)".
Nowadays, tsundere is also used as "sometimes combative, and sweet" or "combative superficially, but fact of the matter is sweet".
In short, tsundere is a girl who is not obedient to her own romance.

"I, I, I don't wrote this comment for helping you! ...I, I'm just board! Okay!?"

And "moe" means "cute". You are right.
Sometimes this word is known as "sexy". But this is not correct. For example, a kitty is not sexy, but is "moe".
But... Japanese is so difficult... "moe" is not just cute simply...

Forgive my Eng<r>ish. I hope that anyone corrects this comment.

4 Name: 3 : 2007-09-30 13:53 ID:8MaPzFqN

"I don't wrote this comment for helping you!"
"This comment is not for helping you!"
Which is suitable?

5 Name: Otaku Otherwise : 2007-09-30 15:01 ID:vEL6IASX

You know moe has a variation of meanings. It is usually meant as a turn on. When something turns u on that is moe. They dont call a kitty moe but kawaii which means cute =.=

6 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-09-30 17:16 ID:Gfu8bMKo

In America...

Moe= Cute
Tsundere= Character who loves someone but always denies it.

In it's simplest form.

7 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-09-30 20:01 ID:JRIn16aO

When the kitten is so cute that you fall in love with it and want to marry it, that is moe.

8 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-09-30 21:11 ID:MnORYYfx

I've always looked at the term "moe" to describe an attraction to idiosyncrasies that are common in anime. Examples of these run rampant in Lucky Star.

9 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-09-30 23:06 ID:y95YiK4q

cute != moe.
You cannot say "this (cute) cup is moe."

10 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-09-30 23:50 ID:Gfu8bMKo

If this were the case, you would just say "this cup is moe". If you want to incorporate both words, you would say "this cup is cute and moe".

11 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-01 02:39 ID:JRIn16aO

I have a hard time imagining how a plain cup could be moe.
It would have to be a very special cup.

I associate it with the kind of emotional character fixation drawn from the idealized forms and specific aesthetics of manga/anime, but I guess the term could be applied to a wide range of passions.
like having a moe for models or maybe Character CDs. I guess these are examples still from the otaku world, but it's an otaku term.

The day you can say you have a moe for gardening, I think the term will have lost its meaning.

12 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-01 06:18 ID:fuuYS/9B

Thank you very much all of you. I completely understood both words.

Arigatou gozaimashita!

13 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-01 06:59 ID:uywEgbr7

Tsundere is a bitch that likes you
moe is pedophilia with a twist

14 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-02 10:08 ID:Heaven

Moe = mild retardation
Tsundere = bipolar disorder

15 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-03 21:16 ID:MnORYYfx

By that equation, then it's safe to say that Raymond in "Rain Man" is like super-moe, right?

16 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-04 02:13 ID:teC0Hwnt

He would if he were a 12-years old girl.

17 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-04 07:52 ID:vJCdgGiU

Alright Name famous tsundere anime and games chararacters!!

18 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-04 15:00 ID:Heaven

Princess Leia

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20 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-06 17:52 ID:3OlKwmrB

Tohsaka Rin from Fate/Stay Night is a tsundere character.

21 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-06 23:13 ID:P6rpgGTE

>>18 Wow yes Princess Leia. She loved Solo but didn't confess it.

Great! More more more!

22 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-07 01:50 ID:MnORYYfx

how about the Prince from the Prince of Persia series? He seemed like a regular badass who just wanted to pick flowers in a meadow somewhere...

23 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-07 14:12 ID:Heaven

>>22 Failure

24 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-08 20:52 ID:/ftZpgl2

I'll tell you what moe is. You know that feeling women get, that causes them to become all squealy when they see a cute baby or a puppy? That is what japanese men called moe when they began experiencing that feeling towards 2D characters.

25 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-11 14:49 ID:jJdiEp0E

Asuka from Evangelion?

26 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-11 16:32 ID:upsnFSbY

>>24 Nice explanation

Asuka yes >>25

27 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-13 05:11 ID:uywEgbr7

Louise from zero no <something つ> , she is way too much tsundere

28 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-13 05:38 ID:zD5hua/Q

Zero no Tsukaima =D Tsundere~~
Haruhi Suzumiya (The ultimate tsundere god)
Akane Tendo (Ranma 1/2... waaaaay back there)

Moe? =Moetan

(But, Moetan's at the extreme loli moe end of the spectrum. Pastel Ink's outfit... is... loli-moe borderline creepy.)

29 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-14 01:58 ID:2f7Cmr3h

Haruhi is a tough one. In the first book she clearly follows the pattern, but in subsequent books she's back to normal again, so I wouldn't classify her as tsundere at all anymore. In fact I don't recall a single sign of her acknowledging Kyon between the end of book one and the beginning of book 9.

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31 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-18 11:26 ID:Heaven

Bad example. I watched FSN expecting Rin to be a tsundere character. She's not. Maybe in the games, but few of us are going to play them. It appears to me that people confuse Rin's no-nonsense attitude and the respect she acquires for Emiya as a sign of hot/cold behavior. It's just friendship.

32 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-20 19:15 ID:Heaven

The game is much better. Much like how people who have played Tsukihime say the animu doesn't exist, same applies for FSN.

33 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-02 07:53 ID:EnJqiinz

lol at the person who says tsundere=bipolar. i can't stand tsundere (or my damn bipolar). just get over yourselves and admit you like the person! gah, so frustrating.

34 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-02 11:56 ID:Heaven

Too true.

35 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-06 09:22 ID:r11ii4dT

I didn't write this post for you idiot!
I.. i... was just posting! Think nothing of it!

36 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-06 12:10 ID:2f7Cmr3h

I didn't make you lunch! I was .. making myself lunch .. and accidentally made too much! As if I would make lunch for you, baka baka baka baka baka!!

37 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-07 00:08 ID:VPqVV7Ne


Yeah, but I wish to the gods mirror-moon would finish with their translation!!!

38 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-07 00:28 ID:Heaven


In the games she's totally tsundere.
She even has the twin tails. There's no way Rin isn't tsundere.
Haven't yet seen the animu, though.

39 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-07 05:25 ID:Heaven

I think Shirou just has a natural ability of turning every girl he associates with tsundere (or yandere) with his altruistic blockheadedness.

40 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-07 05:38 ID:Heaven



41 Name: Softfang : 2008-04-08 19:47 ID:i2mbzRsN

I thought "kawaii" meant cute. If both "moe" and "kawaii" mean cute...which is more appropriate to use? >>;

As for "tsundere" I'm still lost on what it truly means... >>;

42 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-08 23:36 ID:wR3Yd1oh

Shana from Shakugan no Shana's also a tsundere. Naru Narusegawa from Love Hina's one too, and so is Asuna Kagurazaka from Negima, and Nagi Sanzen'in from Hayate.

43 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-10 14:26 ID:qN0uSdRX

I dunno, Nagi is borderline. She loved the guy from day one, so IMO that isn't tsundere as there wasn't enough tsun before the dere.

44 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-10 21:26 ID:xHKCTd9v


It's Japan, theres probably 100 words for cute.

45 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-11 15:03 ID:b9XNYNrM

In japan,many people find moe in an awkward email from old father,a big dog threatened by a cat,like do in Izumi Segawa
Of course,these moe are very diferent each other,but are equally moe for jananese

46 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-12 14:21 ID:Heaven

So how about that mascot for Nara. That thing is cute and creepy at the same time, and I want to club it to death with an iron bar and then sympathise with it.

47 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2009-08-30 10:19 ID:4hzRiyhG

Sometimes but not most of the time Tsunderes are identified by having twintails in there hair...might not but all the time but Kagami, Arisugawa(too some extent), Nagi Sanzen'in and the Tsundere chick from the World God only knows have em.

48 Name: /b/tard : 2009-12-14 21:17 ID:N3LzXcou

you guys are worse than all of four-chan put together and most importantly moe is like a fetish and tsundere is where a girl (or guy) likes someone but doesn't ever show it kawaii means cute so your right there

49 Name: itashi : 2009-12-16 20:37 ID:MblN0mys


Yes, I think that's right... in a nutshell. -_-;

For a more detailed definition of tsundere (as well as examples of characters) go here:

From urbandictionary: "'Moe' means be attracted to a specific character or its specific partial element and to have a favor feeling toward it. 'Moe' suggests the condition of being infatuated with one character or thing and implies an image of someone burning with desire."

50 Name: lalalacoolness : 2009-12-19 01:19 ID:/tfKLZX5

but isnt charas like saber from fate stay night and echo from pandora hearts moe? but there is something like tsundere whit them to... and mion from higurashi is tsundere right?

51 Name: Gabox456 : 2010-04-25 04:49 ID:cag4ryYp

The cutest tsundere character is Kagami Hiiragi from lucky star and she also fits on the lolicon cathegory.

52 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2010-04-25 14:24 ID:nOCYm9Ry

Other than the moe look how is a high school person to be lolicon?

53 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2010-04-25 16:45 ID:q4wIxbJz

When she's claimed to be a high schooler but doesn't look any older than ten.
Same as when someone's claimed to be seven hundred years old but doesn't look any older than ten.

54 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2010-04-26 18:39 ID:nOCYm9Ry

Someone may look like a kid but they are legally the age in school

55 Name: Daisuke : 2010-05-07 19:05 ID:E1zZ4Wf+

Lucky Star uses a rounded art style (I think it's called 'puni plush' or something), so that's probably what you're talking about--it's not necessarily 'lolicon' or whatever the term is... We're all so conditioned by twenty- and thirty-somethings playing high-schoolers in movies, that we expect them to look that way in real life, too! Actually, there are a LOT of high schoolers that look REALLY 'young' compared to what you might expect...

56 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2010-05-08 01:33 ID:nOCYm9Ry

I have never thought about it that way so I think less like a pedo

57 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2010-05-18 05:15 ID:zdF6449c

I think the closest English approximation to moe would be adorable.

58 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2010-05-19 01:09 ID:nOCYm9Ry

That is a good compromise like people want to protect the adorable

59 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2010-06-10 12:54 ID:Ino/o0R5

61 Name: l : 2010-08-13 15:01 ID:Heaven

yandere is blood becouse love

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