So, taking a look at the popularity of 2ch and how significant it is within Japanese internet culture, what exactly are the cultural/social differences that make 2ch so popular and 4-ch so dead (relatively)? Although one could claim it was Densha Otoko that really brought 2ch into the mainstream attention, the fact of the matter is that it was nearly ubiquitous previous to Densha.
Furthermore, what can be done to make 4-ch more popular? I would love to see the board become as strong as 2ch, and although that may not be possible, it would be nice to see a community develop.
Judging by this thread, 4-ch's problem seems to be that there's nothing much to discuss.
>>136
probably has something to do with the fact that the average 4-cher rarely goes outside.
>>139
DQN has already lost it's qulity, and two thirds of it's posters as well. There's nobody left but one demented ex-VIPPER and my cousin winter-kun.
>>140
Oh come on, it still makes me laugh sometimes, admittedly less and less.
Unless they use a proxy. And assuming that the person doesn't convince the incredibly, amazingly, secure PHPBB to spit out the database's login data on the other users. Data which is probably also used elsewhere, knowing people.
Godz I've seen phpbb boards get hijacked hardcore.
Troll are everywhere, so are flamers. Learn to make it not worth their while.
>>dividing by zero
OH SHI--
>>140
I used to post trice a day at DQN, but then I stopped. I don't remember why. Might have to do with the apparent sudden zero-tolerance for new characters, even though I also did post plenty of posts with the established characters.
>>1
it's because http://elitistsuperstructure.net is taking over.
4chan, anyone?
iichan, anyone?
12chan, anyone?
fchan, anyone?
Jackie Chan, anyone?
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What are DQN and /b/?
Tea without biscuits? I think not.
I like this http://elitistsuperstructure.net/ site. If it would sort the board list showing the most active boards first, that would be cool, to just let people make whatever boards they want and see how it turns out. I could see such a thing growing popular.
I think the Japan geeks are scaring away normal people.
>>163
Hey, I keep my shit in Personal Issues, where it belongs.
Because it's become 4chan without the images.
You guys would be happy to know that you've got yourself a new member.
I've been lurking here for a long time (I was looking around here a couple of years ago).
I like it here, people are pretty nice and it's free of the trolls and morons of 4chan.
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Yea, see, things like that.
Really, there are two types of people ruining this site. Trolls from 4chan like >>167, and trolls from 2channel posting shit about Koreans.
No kidding. I don't understand all the hostility towards Koreans. As far as I know, they aren't crazy towards Americans or Japanese. Those pictures were all from a few crazy protests against the Iraqi war, a whole mess of other countries have had those, even America.
There are a lot of crazy anti-Japanese and anti-Koreans on 2ch. We don't need them here.
>>170
lol north korea hates everyone what are you saying
IM SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN NORTH AND SOUTH KOREA, THEY ARE THE SAME DAMN THING, JUST LOOK AT THEIR FACES
i heard koreans were good a GO! from hikaru no go
>>170
The Japanese are hostile towards Koreans because it's the country next to them. Like Britain and France, or America and Canada. And because half the people here want to be Japanese, they copy the 2ch'ers and are hostile to Koreans as well.
So, I think what I'm saying is there should be more Canada/France bashing.
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I thought this was a thread about why 4-ch is crappy?
>>174 is why
also thread hijackers. no one like to come back and see theie thread hijacked by people talking about Koreans and shit. I'm just telling it like it is damn it. start another thread if you have an idea instead of hijacking one. fuck wads.
and I guess too because people falme alot. Liek I do, but I dun do it anon style. I'm Mugen so I tell it like it fucking is.
stay on topic, get rid of trolls, and don't flame people who you can tell are very nervous, that is, if you have a sense of things.
maybe a few people on this Board want to take the job of cleaning this fucking place up since the moderators aren't doing shit.
>>175 your outburst is the reason why those people troll.
yay! your dumb ass comment is the reason I flame to hell. obviously you are a said hijacker or troll or a racist fuck... so just take yo ugly ass back to the bridge you crawled out from and cry again. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
oh, and have a courage and stop posting anon. dumb ass.
on second thought, you could be a mod who felt a little peeved about my comment. either way, you just dun like that I told the fucking truth. eat it and deal.....
I'm a newbie; I discovered 4-ch few days ago. I'm just here to offer my two cents.
I think 4-ch has the potential of becomming popular, it just needs some (read = alot of) work to be done. Right now it isn't a really welcoming community, is it? With all the name-calling, trolling, posts like >>174 , etc, etc... The layout needs a serious face-lift too. At it's current state 4-ch isn't a board I'd recommend my friends to visit.
I'm sorry for any typos or strange choises of words. English isn't my firs language.
I think what's great about this place is that we have a lot of nice people.
If we could just get lots of really nice people who like to talk about things then this could be the heaven of the Internet.
uhm. >>181.. you can take that TWO CENTS and.. you know.
>heaven of the Internet
according to whom? you haven't grasped the main idea of life it seems.
I really like anonymous discussion systems, and think they have the potential to thrive just as well in the West as they have in Japan. However, in order for that to happen, the core functionality needs to be adapted into a modern, logical layout that doesn't confuse the hell out of newbies.
I'd also like to see more user moderation features, like post/thread ratings and tagging. Some sort of searching and customized thread-sorting would be nice too. Altogether, it would remove the need for separate, admin-controlled boards as well as the awkward "sage/don't bump" function.
Finally (and this is probably the most controversial change), I'd like to get rid of names and tripcodes and simply use rotating ID hashes with strong proxy detection to stop IP spoofers.
In actuality, I've had the idea of starting my own anonymous experiment for quite a while, but have been unable to as I don't know PHP, Perl, Rails, or SQL and quickly find myself overwhelmed. :(
>>189
There are no reputations, since it's an essentially anonymous system. Threads and posts are rated based on their individual merit rather than on the people who make them. It's an effective way of filtering out the trash.
The only somewhat confusing things are:
a) Wakabamark, which nobody uses,
b) Sage, which you don't really need most of the time.
Moderation by users already exists as sage and age. It doesn't need to be any more complex.
Who CARES if someone's IP spoofing? It doesn't matter who they are. This is an Anonymous BBS, and there aren't that many named or tripcoded users to get rid of anyway.
>>188
FYI, some screenshots of 2ch browsers.
http://webmania.jp/~2browser/screen.htm
For those who complain about the graphics, have you ever used these browsers to realize how useful they are? The graphics is kept simple so that amateur programmers can easily manipulate the 2ch data structure. For text (and ASCII Art) only exchange, 2ch browsers are way ahead of likes of phpBBS in terms of speed and usability. It's a pain to use a Web browser to browse 4-ch.
For people with enough programming and Japanese skills who are interested in how 2ch works, this is how.
http://www.monazilla.org/document/
could someone explain what sage and wakabamark does?
>>193
This might be just a troll post, but I'm going to reply to it like it's serious anyway.
Sage prevents a post from bumping the thread to the top. It goes in the email field, like in this post. Wakabamark is just a markup style that allows you to format your text as described by this: http://wakaba.c3.cx/docs/docs.html#WakabaMark
>>192
When I meant a "modern, logical layout," I wasn't referring to an unnecessarily graphical and flashy site. In fact, I'd like it to be as absolutely minimal as possible, eschewing all graphics and using only CSS for text formatting and layout.
>>194
thanks for the reply, no I was serious, i'm new to 4-ch and 4chan. 4chan seems so fast paced, the threads get bumped every few seconds or so. In 4chan, if the thread goes below the number of pages in the board, does it get deleted? And is it the same here?
I was also wondering how anonymous BBS's like 4-ch or 2-ch keep trolls out?
thanks
what is ID:Heaven? and how do you sage a thread, there is no email field in the thread
>>198
email field = link field
ID:Heaven is what happens when you enter "sage"
I thought Heaven occurred whenever you put something in Link.
When a new thread is made, the last thread on page $MAXPAGE (10 on 4chan) is deleted.
Anonymous BBSs keep trolls out by discouraging their existence in general (see http://wakaba.c3.cx/shii/shiichan), ignoring them, and having the mods erase posts that consist of massive blocks of text. Supposedly.
Because this website fucking sucks now
i agree. they ignore people who don't fit in here. If you ain't part of the clan... then you are shit. and since I am a loud moth fucker I am a troll. blah...
It's just round nice numbers and people like them.
The concept of "GET" originated on 2channel (where 2GET and 1000GET, the first and last possible replies to a thread, are the ones considered desirable), but is modified on 4chan due to 4chan being primarily imageboards rather than text-based message boards. On the text boards, 2ch style GETs are sometimes seen.
Actually, I think it's just your general idiocy rather than the fact that you're a "loud moth fucker." (My sympathy for the loud moths you've fucked, and, almost inevitably, killed in the process.)
> My sympathy for the loud moths you've fucked, and, almost inevitably, killed in the process.
It may be that his genitalia is of a size that allows him to comfortably copulate with a moth. This is my theory.
yes.. this is true. moths are my favorite thing to fuck.... still doesn't change the fact that this place sucks ass.
just isn't in my nature to leave somewhere once I've, being stalked
trolls like stalkers, not to be ignored I guess you don't follow your own advice... still a big DUMB ASS as ever I see since you refuse to ignore me. and trolls refuse to go away once a flame war has started. spread the love, keep the flame!
goes to find more moths to fuck.... tra la la tra la la tra la la
You'd be a better troll if your sentences were at all coherent.
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>>208 I might just give in to you. I feel as if I just joined SA spelling anonymous... i feel like I have been defeated somehow. I'm gonna cry me a river. shit.
Why do you all like to hurt /b/'s feelings! The twisted nether from which /b/ is rooted has feelings too! sob raep loli sob
Too many references to /b/ and SA here for my taste. Shows the western audience's tastes really. Sad.
this thread has gone way off track
>>215
Maybe this is the root of 4-ch's unpopularity. While 2-ch has all sort of people, 4-ch seems to be made mainly of people that migrated from 4chan or SA, and that's not the greatest or most welcoming community.
>>217
Yup. Yet lot of people migrated here because they were annoyed by the stupid immaturity back there, and were happy to find 4-ch, providing a more mature anonymous text-based discussion board. Or maybe it used to.
I say this as i'm about to leave the forum forever, its not more popular because it sucks, its full of racism, sexism, homophobeism and just plain assholes. Don't get me wrong their are some good quality posts here, but the majority of them get weighed out by the crap ones. The basic answer is this is a SHIT HOLE, its not as bad as 4 chan but it' still awful. I bid the small percentage of sensible posters here a good day.
because no one fucking posts.
And if you do it gets deleted.
OK, I've given up on the idea of dedicated browsers. But what about the possibility of a Firefox add-on like bbs2chreader.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1560
Probably no possibility, eh?
On the more serious note, let me point out a couple of points 4-ch fails. The first point is the Entertainment section, especially anime and manga. They usually draw a lot of people because there are practically no anime fans who are not Internet addicts. If you ever visit anime boards, you notice that there are usually a couple, if not more, of really long threads going on. If you look at the anime board of 4-ch, you see it's pretty much dead. More people in 4-ch is always good even if their frequent board is the anime board.
The second point is the News section. News boards in 2ch are the most popular. There are several admin-type people in 2ch news boards keeping 2-channelers up to date by making new threads minute by minute. OK, this, 4-ch can't afford to do. But I think one of the more serious problems is that since English is the language in 4-ch, there are just too many things to cover in the world. Japanese is used only in Japan and they can focus on domestic news. And the Japanese generally like commenting on news, like Italians like to talk about politics or something. Just imagine how many comments a thread about Dan Bartlett's resignation, for example, receives in the most populated board or blog you know? And how many comments a similar type of thread receives in 2-ch?
There is a Japanese blog that is kind of similar to fark.com. All it does is to re-introduce 2-ch threads. Here is the address.
http://blog.livedoor.jp/dqnplus/
See many entries still receive more than 1000 comments? 2-ch is just too humongous. Just do what you can do, 4-ch!
There is no porn.
It's kind of a good thing, the annoying flame and spammers don't go here. That way we can have pleasant threads.
well, I suppose we could get some volenteers to find interesting atricles to comment on. The trouble is that no one comments -- there's the initial post, and maybe a post or two that give a 1 word response, and then they sit for months. That's why I more or less stopped posting news -- no one seemed interested, so what's the point?
If there were actual interesting and fun discussions here instead of troll and shit (like /love/ and /pers/) it would be more crowded.
maybe its because no one in america has ever heard of the 2chan boards.
here in the states, most people are used to the username signup thing with message boards or they don't want to get involve with the whole hassle of it so they just ignore message boards entirely.
but in japan 2ch is so much a part of modern japanese culture, everyone there (and those that admire that place) accept it.
its just like language, some things just don't translate as well
HAY HAY
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BECAUSE NOBODY IN AMERICA USES ANYTHING OTHER THAN MYSPACE
>>233
Haha, that's probably true.
But remember that what's great in 4-ch is that it isn't adressed to "americans" but rather to an international, english-speaking group of people.
2ch, on the other side, adresses uniquely to japanese speaking people, that is to say, japanese people. More or less.