What is the correct spelling for Otaku (as in geek)? (16)

1 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 2005-11-11 07:40 ID:zBQvSgvM

ヲタク or オタク ? I've seen both...

2 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 2005-11-11 09:45 ID:Heaven

ただしい書きかたなんて無いよ。広辞苑に載ってないし。

3 名前: Freak of Nature 2005-11-11 12:20 ID:1lyj9XSs

>>2 really is not contributing.

オタク is correct.

You'd never use ヲ or を for the honorific prefix "o-", anyway. You'd always use an "o" character, お or オ, for that. The "wo" character is used for the grammatical element (particle) "wo/o".

4 名前: !WAHa.06x36 2005-11-11 13:07 ID:dheT5yWB

>>3

You'd be correct if we were talking about standard japanese, but we aren't. In online slang, "ヲタク" is a pretty popular spelling. "オタク" is technically the correct one, though, but misspellings are teh funnay everywhere.

5 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 2005-11-11 13:39 ID:Heaven

円は読み方はenだけど、書くときはYenと書くように、
100年くらい前の日本語が残っているんだよ。
江戸時代末期から明治時代あたりは"をたく"と書いてたんだよ。
英語表記はWotakuね。

6 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 2005-11-18 06:03 ID:zBQvSgvM

can anyone plz translate >>5

7 名前: !.38tuXtuXs 2005-11-18 10:09 ID:Heaven

The pronounciation of 円 is actually en, but it's written out as "yen", it's the remnants of Japanese from about 100 years ago.

Since late-Edo until the Meiji period it was written as "をたく".

In English that'd be Wotaku.

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It was also in that time that you'd get ゑ (we) and ゐ (wi) I think. Those characters are now no longer in common use. There is a particular anime director who decided to use the obscure ヰ(katakana of ゐ) in his name, it's possible that's the kana they used ages ago - カサヰケンイチ (Kasai Ken'ichi)
Another use of o -> wo might be in the name かをる Kaworu (Kaoru). Wasn't there a character like that in Eva? Reminds me of using "ho" for "o" like in なほこ (Nahoko) for なおこ (Naoko) though I think it's a bit different.

8 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 2005-11-18 22:36 ID:Heaven

カヲルを50音で一文字ずらすと、オワリ(終り)になるんだよ。
ところで、エヴァの第24話のタイトルは「最後のシ者」で、
シ者は渚で渚カヲルの苗字になってるんだよ。

9 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 2005-11-19 14:51 ID:zBQvSgvM

>>7

I looked at wikipedia, and there is no hiragana for "ye". Can you please explain? ^^ The only "ye" I found was 「イェ」in katakana...but that's "i" and a small "e"

10 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 2005-11-19 20:18 ID:Heaven

>>9
That's a tough question, indeed.
First of all, we should know kana and its sound didn't match 1:1. Even todays, 「ん」 is pronounced "n", "m", "ng".
Next we must learn the history of sounds.

  1. Nara era...「え」 used to have 4 sounds, "e", "ye", "we" and "fe".
  2. Heian era... all sounds were merged to "ye".
  3. Edo(Yedo) era... "ye" sound changed to "e".

Hiragana was invented in Heian era, so they already didn't need to distinguish "ye" and "we". That's why hiragana for "ye" was only 「え」,「ゑ」 and 「へ」. (Todays, 「え」 and 「へ」are left.)

ANSWER: There's no hiragana for "ye". 「ゑ」is ok. 「え」is not wrong.
But if manyougana(Nara era description, kanji itself) or hentaigana (unofficial kana) are allowed, it would be 「江」 or 「要」 or its simplifications.

11 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 2005-11-20 00:42 ID:Heaven

>>9

12 名前: Freak of Nature 2005-11-24 22:35 ID:1lyj9XSs

>>4
I accept your correction as true, but I was talking of standard Japanese. Yes, online slang has ヲタク or just ヲタ.

13 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 2005-11-25 06:21 ID:Heaven

>>12
standard japanese too. see densha otoko?

14 名前: Freak of Nature 2005-11-25 10:33 ID:1lyj9XSs

>>13
Hear that? That is the sound of you failing.

The only time you see "otaku" written down in "Densha Otoko" is when you see excerpts from the posts made in the thread - and yes, it is then written as ヲタク or just ヲタ. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't posts in an online forum mean that this was "online slang Japanese", instead of "standard Japanese"?

15 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 2005-11-27 10:52 ID:Heaven

おまえらはそもそも間違えてんだよ。オタクを辞書で
引いてみろ。載ってないだろ?オタクはスラングなんだよ。
スラングに正しいも標準的もないだろうが。すかんちんめが!

16 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 2005-12-05 04:26 ID:Heaven

何このスレ
アニヲタばっかwww
キモすぎwwww

はい、みんな「ヲタク」の正しい使い方、覚えたかな?

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