I figure people who pay so much attention to the versions of windows, should give me a little help on how Vista compares to OSX. Aero is just like the pretty mac look, but its pathetic if anyone counts the look over quality. Everyone basically has a PC, so after XP, I figure everyone would enjoy the Vista right? Well how is it compared to the OSX is all I want to know...
Both are pretty effin awesome, and I guess one should just go for whatever he likes better (Try both if you have the chance to).
IMO, Vista (With all feaures included) is a little better, but a machine that will run Vista that way will cost truckloads of money right now, and OS X will get an upgrade soon-ish, who knows how things will look after that. I would not switch right now, I would wait about half a year, and then compare again.
I want to play games, so I figure vista would be still fabulous, but I'm told about the mac having no viruses or it doesn't crash (which I found to be bullshit actually) but it has better default applications when you buy it. I suppose I want to play games, but I also want to create.
>>3
OS X does crash, but probably less right now (Might change with the first vista service pack). There are virii, of course, but a lot less - OS X is just not as attractive as a target as windows.
If you get an intel mac, you could technically run both, but you would end up paying loads of money.
If I was a gamer I'd go for vista - just not right now, maybe in a year or so.
YEEEEEEE!!! ^____^ thanx so much! This actually helps me decide what to get right now--even though I gots no money and I have no idea how I'm going to change the pc without wiping my memory clean...but I'm going over to best buy to see if they have any on display
Vista is going to suck. Ass. Get OS X now or cry later.
>>7
Now?
The new version is coming out in six months or less.
> Both are pretty effin awesome
That's like saying Handel and Vanilla Ice are pretty effin awesome. They're not even in the same league, guy.
Vista's UI is a rather sorry joke, and what reason other than the UI is there to buy Vista? If it has to be Windows, XP or 2k3 is probably the best choice at the moment.
No sugar-coating here: if you voluntarily buy boxed Vista this year, and it's not for evaluation or learning purposes, you're a fool.
>They're not even in the same league, guy.
Urm, what the hell are you talking about?
Vista is, to a great part, a direct copy of OSX. But even though it is a copy, it's still a pretty well-done copy, which means they share most strange UI quirks ("Oh hey whoever needs consistency between apps?") and while there are of course still areas where OS X clearly beats Vista (Mostly integration, everything works very well together), Vista actually leads in other areas (Say, general style. Aero Glass beats the hell out of OS X's dated brushed metal, and Segoe UI is really nice for an UI font, There is nothing like Windows Media Center in OSX, and microsofts bundeled apps are - rippoff or not - pretty nice too, just compare microsoft photo gallery with iPhoto).
I do agree that no one should buy Vista right now - it's still very newish, probably won't run on your hardware, costs far too much, and OS X still wins any comparison IMO - and might get one helluva update with Leopard. But saying "LOL VISTA RIPOFF SUX" just isn't true. Even if it does not beat OS X, it comes very close, and it's definiteley better than any previous windows version.
(Disclaimer: I'm a linux guy, so I won't buy either in the near future)
>>10
May I suggest you use OSX a couple weeks?
I stand by everything I said earlier.
I don't understand why "dated" is a bad thing in a UI. Are OS designers also fashion designers?
I'll take anything clean and usable, thanks.
Incidentally, I would really like to see first-party theming support in OS X. If people want to make their application UIs consistent and/or butt-ugly, that's their right and they shouldn't have resort to unreliable shareware to do it.
It depends what you use your computer for...
Gaming...Vista(In about a year and a half)
Media Manipulation...OSX(Just in case you didn't know...yeah Mac has DRM crap too and is going to have it just like Vista in future releases of their OS)
Basic stuff like just going online and pretty much nothing else...Any Linux distro of your choosing...
As for myself I have three separate computers each running a different OS an Ubuntu box, an ibook with OSX and my gaming pc that is running XP....
Which do I use the most....my XP pc...
Really even if you don't want to buy Vista your going to have to sooner or later...Doesn't mean your going to buy it tomorrow but Mirco$oft and the hardware companies are going to stop supporting XP in a few years...So save up that money and buy a better computer with Vista after a while...That is my plan why shouldn't it be yours too?
I'm still running Windows 2000 Pro on my gaming PC, which has an Athlon 64 3700, 2GB of RAM, SATA RAID, and a GeForce 6800 GT video card.
Other than the fact that boot times could be a little faster, I can see no compelling reason to switch to XP. And I say that as someone who uses XP every day at work.
Right now I am not hearing good things about Vista. I don't like what I am hearing about how it handles DRM, how it handles memory, or how long it takes to boot.
I have no words to express how little I care care about the user interface, either. Maybe I'm an old fart, but I built my PC so I could do stuff with it, like play games and surf the Web. The OS is just a program loader to me, and I like my program loaders as simple, quick, responsive, and stable as possible. The Windows 3.1 UI from fifteen years ago would be perfectly okay with me, if it weren't sitting on top of MS-DOS.
> yeah Mac has DRM crap too and is going to have it just like Vista in future releases of their OS
Probably. However:
"This afternoon, Steve Jobs posted an article entitled "Thoughts on Music" on Apple.com.
In the article, he addresses recent calls for Apple and iTunes to "open" the digital rights management system on iTunes to allow other digital devices to play iTunes music and to allow other music store media to play on the iPod.
Jobs argues that DRM doesn't work effectively and believes that Digital Rights Management should not be required by music companies. 'If the big four music companies would license Apple their music without the requirement that it be protected with a DRM, we would switch to selling only DRM-free music on our iTunes store. Every iPod ever made will play this DRM-free music.'"
I hope Vista will be popular. So long as we OS X users are a minority, we will maintain our elitist attitude that is responsible for the quality experience we've come to expect from our platform. Even if OS X is much more secure than Windows, if it becomes popular, developers will start to make us put up with all the shit that Windows user readily accept (ad-supported software, automatic updates that interrupt you while you watch a movie, shit all over your systray, non-standard GUI widgets for no good reason, then eventually spyware, viruses, etc...)
Anyways, >>1, please listen to me. Not that it's really related to this conversation.
I went to Best Buy to check out Vista a while ago; you know, Windows Vista? Well anyways there was an insane number of people buying it, and I could hardly get around the end of the line. Then, I looked at the banner posted at the top of the retail box glory stack, and it had "CONNECTED" written on it.
Oh, the stupidity. Those idiots. You, don't come to Windows Vista just because it has the internet, fool. It's only the internet, A SERIES OF TUBES for crying out loud. There're even entire families here. Family of 4, all surfing the internet, huh? How fucking nice. "Alright, daddy's gonna run Internet Explorer!" God I can't bear to watch. You people, I'll give you Opera if you get off of this bandwagon.
The software lane of Best Buy should be a bloody place. That tense atmosphere, where two nerds on opposite sides of the aisles can start a slapfight at any time, The stab-or-be-stabbed mentality, that's what's great about Windows Vista. Women and children should screw off and stay home.
Anyways, I was about to start bringing clarity to my world, checking my email and browsing the web, and then the bastard beside me goes "Safeguard my Data With BitLocker Drive Encryption." Who in the world uses BitLocker Drive Encryption, you moron? I want to ask him, "do you REALLY want to have Microsoft perform discreet math on everything in your hard drive?" I want to interrogate him. I want to interrogate him for roughly an hour. Are you sure you don't just want to try saying "Drive Encryption"? Coming from a not4chan veteran such as myself, the latest trend among us vets is this, CP-lab.com. That's right, CP-lab.com (it stands for cryptography - really). This is the vet's way of not getting v&. CP-lab.com means more security than obscurity. But on the other hand the risk of losing files in a hard disk crash is a tad higher. This is the key. And then, it's delicious. This is unbeatable. However, if you do this this then there is danger that you'll be marked by the feds from next time on; it's a double-edged sword. I can't recommend it to amateurs. What this all really means, though, is that you, >>1, should just stick with today's special.
What's today's special?
I just tried the latest version of knoppix for the first time yesterday, worked perfectly, the only thing I had to configure was the keyboard and time zone from US to UK.
I am building a new system and I will consider paying £40 for openSuse 10.2 (especially if it is reinvested into promoting alternatives to M$), I don't mind paying for an essential part of the machine, as essential as the hardware, but I would not pay for the crippled versions of Vista, the 4 or 5 crippled versions MS is selling, with the full version being like £300 or something.
Don't you mean Vista = OS X?
I hate Vista.
There should be a horror movie named Vista.
... with XP as the Good Guy!
I just don't like the frequent darkening of the screen and some question that I always click "allow" as response. Otherwise the gui is slick and a provides lot of fun with old software.
I guess ubuntu will never be able to catch up.
> I guess ubuntu will never be able to catch up.
ubuntu is about 7 years behind. vista/osx are about 3 years behind.
i doubt any of them will be able to catch up anytime soon.
>>27
modern operating systems.
>>28
if ubuntu, vista and osx are not modern operating systems then what is?
>>26 uses plan 9.
>>26 uses zeta
>>26 uses AmigaOS
osx
so who else is not impressed by leopard
I am impressed by a leotard.
>>37
Even if Steve Jobs is the one wearing it?
>>36
Odd, I kinda was impressed by Leopard. Apple can do that 'we do everything for you thing' seductively well.
i might get a macbook pro if apple ever makes one with a decent screen resolution.
and if i know for sure i'll be able to run freebsd on it.
osx is fun to play around with, but for real work you need a real operating system.
vista fails at being fun and at being useful.
> osx is fun to play around with, but for real work you need a real operating system.
Ironically, OS X is a certified UNIX while FreeBSD isn't.
>>41
certification is for PHBs.
I mostly just want to bitch.
My family upgraded our primary PC to a Vista system from a Windows 98 system (it had near everthing upgraded except the OS since we bought it) about a month ago. I fucking hate it. Microshit seems to have put all their effort at making things look spiffy, and none into making a better OS, and sometimes at the expense of actual performance. And as far as these changes go, they are in all ways unimpressive. Aside from pure appearance, there are plenty of dumb as fuck interface design decisions. The same goes for applications like MS Office. Windows has been going downhill since 3.2, and moving off of DOS hasn't made a difference. I'd rather use a Linux on the ancient Alpha server my that my mother had loaned to her by DEC ages ago, but I couldn't convince her that no one would care if she didn't return the damn thing when she moved jobs (at that point it was HP for god's sake.) That said, I still probably wouldn't trade the Vista for a Mac.
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> That said, I still probably wouldn't trade the Vista for a Mac.
I'd choose OS X over Vista any day, but both suck.
All operating systems suck. Some just suck less than others.
I'm voting for OSX Leopard (´▽｀*)
OSX!!!1
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