Think of ideas in this topic.
We need something to actually get this place semi-active.
give me prizezes for coming here. then i will telling people 'you come to 4-ch! look! lookit these nice prizes it gived to me!' and they will say, 'ooo-00ooh, how great 4-ch is! i am going there to make many postings at once!' and so the poeples will come!
We need some form of advertisement that isn't directly advertising, i.e. making wikis for the site, linking to the site in different places, etc.
Another way is to put it in the signature/info/whatever of any site that you go to. I sometimes click on people who do that for other site, so it may get somebody.
We need to put on something big. Maybe a contest, maybe a niche board (that doesn't cater to 10 people like DQN does), etc.
someone post about hijacking a bus here before they go hijacking a bus.
create memes or die (http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1184185268/)
(__)_) <--- Ass
m-'.'-m <--- Moses
>>8
If you are trying to make this a meme then you are failing pretty hard.
we should start making local access shows dedicated to 4-ch
you could also start by making threads that don't suck
>>12,13,15
Same person.
>>14
That won't work unless someone has connections (which they don't).
Media attention is our biggest problem though. We don't have enough people to do anything major, but I'm sure we could think of something. A big thing right now is youtube, we could do something with that.
>>16
A sudden large influx of new users would likely crash the server or use up allotted bandwidth, making such a move unwise.
The problem is not the lack of users, the problem is that the users who do visit rarely post. And then (some) complain about it.
>>20
Emoticons tend to give some people a negative impression. I'd recommend abstaining from their use, as well as LOL and the like.
>>16
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>>17
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>>25
and you are the btard that is killing 4... wait, never mind, 4-ch is already dead.
>>26
Is the chemo that is killing 4-chan... i mean 4-ch.... erm...
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lol
Actually, we root out the /b/-fags, ban them, and then don't do anything. I don't want 15 year old ADD kids running up in Wakachan. Imagine all of the most stupid things.
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
>>17
Not to mention you'd want to be careful of the type of people we attracted. We don't need an influx of new, stupid people.
i think this board looks like a japanophile board, which puts off many normal people, especially because it bears a slight resemblance to 4chan. so i propose something like this:
rename
and allow general discussion on western animation and comics as well as anime and manga in those boards. just because this site is inspired by 2ch doesn't mean it has to be heavily biased towards japanese subjects.
Yeah, but then we lose the japanophiles, which are currently most of the boards population.
>>36
i think the japanophiles would stay, it's not like discussion of anime and manga would be banned. it just wouldn't be the sole focus of two boards anymore.
Does 2-ch have a seperate section dedicated to foreign comics, or is that stuff worked into the current manga sections?
Seems like 99.99% of either comics or animation would be Japanese, so they probably don't bother.
Might be a valid point, now that I think about it, although maybe it could be "Manga & Comics" and "Animation" as a compromise.
If people see the manga in there, they'll think of anime when they see the "animation" and not be hesitant to post about it, without being turned away from posting about foreign stuff as well.
And then of course there's the question of changing the name...
"Futaba" had a distinct name to distinguish itself from its URL "2chan"
We seem to be adopting 4-ch more often than "Channel4 BBS". Maybe we need a nickname, and a distinctive mascot.
>Does 2-ch have a seperate section dedicated to foreign comics, or is that stuff worked into the current manga sections?
http://anime2.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/comic/1185016786/
http://anime2.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/cartoon/1171188833/
>>35
No offense intended to fans, but how many potential Disney lovers and American comics and BD lovers do you think there are who would be attracted to 4-ch as a result?
Yeah, the only way it would draw more people is if the more neutral name scared fewer people away who might not be into anime/manga/Japanese pop culture. It's questionable whether we'd want to draw such people here though. And I should think they'd be chased off by the very title page anyway.
I do feel we're getting overshadowed by 4chan. Maybe because of our name.
Yeah I always thought the purple haired neko girl would draw off people who either hate anime or don't understand the fandom.
>>41
you're saying you wouldn't want to attract more people who aren't into japanese pop culture? for me the greatest failing of 4-ch is that probably over 50% of its users are somewhat obsessed with it.
2-ch didn't get big by obsessing over American culture, what self-respecting jap would want to visit such a website?
For 4-ch to get as big as 2-ch, it would have to attract everyday people with a wide variety of interests relative to their home culture (but preferably not of the AOL-type regular). Sacrificing the Nippon-centric focus would be a necessary step towards popularity, but I doubt this is what the owner/operators of 4-ch would wish.
you can make 4-ch attract more people by adding picture functions like 4chan
we westerners need our pics and media. text is boring
>>48
Yeah, I kinda agree. This is one of the 'extremely' few places that actually have ONLY text. Why ruin a good thing?
Well.. All in all, maybe we need something with a big.. OOMPH to really spice up this place, you know what I'm sayin'?
Not like a mascot or anythin, but a big event kinda thing.
Maybe if we make wordld4chan suck a whole lot... Well, that'd be hard to extend any further.
Find some gaping vulnerabilities in phpBB/vBulletin that will allow us to change all of them to links here.
The kind of community I want to see at 4-ch consists of some people that would run away because of either the name (similarity to 4chan) and the neko girl on the front page.
What I really want to see is a 4-ch with a userbase of mostly intelligent, rational and fun people, people that aren't afraid to be a little DQN once in a while but also contribute worthwhile ideas to various discussion topics. Of course, this is a Utopian dream...there's no way 4-ch itself can get away from its name and its anime-fan userbase, and the chances of a new anonymous board without all the anime connotations arising and becoming successful is pitifully low.
One of the reasons may be that few Japanese people understand English. If we could draw more Japanese, the site could get much bigger.
We should get all the English speaking Japanese to come over.
I know! I know!
Instead of a neko-girl in a box, for the front page we should have....
A pot! No, a vase!!
Yes, but here's the twist...
Our vase will have a plant in it!
Heh. What plant? A dandelion? A lily? A sunflower? An orchid?
> Our vase will have ... A pot ... plant in it!
This board sucks and here's your reason:
> Post deleted by moderator
We should get FOX News to accuse us of being domestic terrorists. That'll attract some new attendees.
THis texboard is good, since it hasn't so many trolls like it does on the 4Chan-Board ;)
But something similar big to the textboard 2Ch in ENglish would be nice though.
Better yet, if we want to turn this place into Wapanese Central, why not just close 4-ch and move to 2ch /english/.
What, make individual DQN threads?
>>63 good idea^^
4-CH and 2-CH should fuse together!!
Make /code/ less serious, more relaxed. We're anonymous after all, no reputation to hold on to.
I have found the flaw in your cunning plan. There are only five people on the internet.
Here's an idea:
Instead of trying to mirror 2ch, why not just try and make 4-ch more original? The problem with all the *channels and *chans is that they all try to imitate the originals (2ch, 4chan, etc).
It's worked pretty damned good so far.
But, I think the site is fine. No need to add anything, no need to take it.
You know if everyone who already comes here read and posted more often, we'd have a pretty active community. Everybody should just quit their jobs and troll on 4-ch for a living.
^^ ♡♥♡☼♨ We should offer free cookies! ♨☼ ♡♥♡ ^^
I am actually a little surprised, the fact that i have been here since 2004.. oh my god....
...
..and i actually thought this place would "take off" but it never did.
I mean, it's still slow and i know i shouldn't complain because i dont do shit to improve on it and im hardly even here..
but seriously, what the fuck?
Plus, with at least three small spinoffs that are more entertaining, 4-ch is remaining a useless doorway.
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>>32
Becuase he's a new moron, obviously.
>>50
No matter how much world4chan sucks it will always be better than this place and always get posts. Why? Well primarily because of the truly elitist superstructure of the userbase, secondly and the first to be appearent, the mittens mentality. It's gay and annoying on top of sucking shit.
don't worry you guys, i am basically a newcomer here
now that 4chan is a retarded fail-filled shadow of its former self, smaller communtities like this are becoming much more appealing
places like this with more of a niche appeal arent flooded by 12year old faggots looking for the newest meme and some funny pics, etc, they have completely killed 4chan
here there is a base in reality, many here are actually hikkis and otaku and have problems, making it interesting and always full of content unlike 4chan which has become extceedingly shallow
also, you talk of spinoffs? i wasnt aware of any other, especially more popular, BBSs. Could you give me some links?
I'm a new person here too, been pretty active in the last few months.
fuck off newfags
I figured out the answer
You can't
We've talked about this in other threads. Reduce the number of forums to just the active ones so n00bs don't come here, look in 40 forums, find nothing, and decide this must be dead. We say this alot. Have the mods forsaken us?
I really disagree with making away with the forums that aren't active. I am however all for clearly listing what forums have been the most active ones lately, that can impossibly be anything but great. Listing latest activity date for each forum really does seem like one of the most important parts in reviving this place.
Than we might as well rename it DQN Channel.
Viral advertising.
Everyone put "4-ch.net" on a light board, and hang it somewhere in Boston.
>>87
Ahahaha. I am however tempted to start using 4-ch related banners/images (with this URL, of course) as forum sigs/avatars.
>>88
not knowing what type off forums you frequent, I'd strongly discourage this action
I'm new as well, and I came here hoping for the kind of discussion found in 2ch. I wasn't really expecting it though. I make no claim to Japanese superiority, but they seem to handle the internet a lot better than we do. Something about the internet, perhaps. I think our best bet for new, good users is to have every non-hikkimori here tell all their friends about the place.
hmmm... as for trying to attract more english speakers to 4-ch (specifically americans and canadians), cultural differences obviously play a large role... i think that americans dont typically like the anonymous aspect as much as many japanese do-- americans are generally more individualistic and less worried about saving-face... so the complete anonymous factor just really doesnt translate well for american audiences.
also, americans obviously like asking questions and looking up answers... otherwise Wikipedia and Yahoo! Answers wouldnt be as popular as they are. so its not as though americans are uninterested in learning new things and exploring topics on the net...
personally, i always have found japanese websites to be wordy and ugly. 2-ch is an ugly site. and 4-ch is too... it reminds me of windows 3.1... outdated and blah. while i realize thats not the point of a forum like this, i think that the way a website looks really affects how popular it will become with americans. i think americans like the flashier websites that additionally have more networking capabilities. in general, perhaps they really like more visual characteristics-- pictures of people, avatars, signatures, videos of funny things, cat macros... whatever! for example, yahoo answers has personalized avatars, screen names, a point system to show off your status... etc. these are all things most americans value in a website.
also the topics here on 4-ch prove that it's really only for people who are interested in japanese culture-- so, being that this site was made by densha otoko fans, it's going to be biased and appeal mostly only to other densha otoko fans. Maybe this isn't even what people want, but in order to get 4-ch to become a commonplace website in American homes, it certainly needs to be ran and moderated by people interested in things that don't include anime, manga, otaku lifestyle, etc. not that these things are bad, they certainly belong here, but it really just doesn't appeal to anybody but a very very very very small proportion of Americans (although it is certainly a growing number).
anyway, i certainly see why this site is not going to catch on here in the states-- after watching densha otoko, i was excited to see if 4-ch was anything like 2-ch. but, while i'm disappointed, it really is to be expected!
basically, i guess for 4-ch to be popular with americans, it really has to be geared towards what americans like. that seems pretty simple huh?
hope my 2 cents helps!
>>91
No, then it wouldn't be 4-ch. I agree we should give this place some more Americanization, but that should be done with the topics and boards, not by adding avatars and invisionfree crap.
Viral marketing is the best way.
> pictures of people, avatars, signatures, videos of funny things, cat macros... whatever! for example, yahoo answers has personalized avatars, screen names, a point system to show off your status...
CANCER
> I agree we should give this place some more Americanization, but that should be done with the topics and boards, not by adding avatars and invisionfree crap.
agreed on the second point - if you're going to add avatars and registration and points and shit, what makes this any different the thousands of other forums?
as for "Americanization", well, how about internationalization? Americans aren't the only English speaking people in the world. This place needs to appeal to Americans, British, Australians, all the English-speaking people of the world, wherever they may be. Even Canadians. Having Anime and Manga boards right there at the top of the boardlist makes this look like an otaku forum, and is definitely offputting to people who aren't into that sort of thing (ie interesting people) - this site would probably be better served by merging them both into general animation and comics boards.
I suppose having a name and concept quite similar to 4chan is also offputting to ... well, everyone. But there's not much that can be done about that.
>>95
Which came first? 4chan or 4-ch? Why did one imitate the other?
4chan is imitating Futaba Channel (2chan), 4-ch is imitating 2channel (2ch). That they're both anonymous boards based on Japanese sites, both with names containing a 4 where the Japanese version had a 2, and both containing some derivation of the word "channel", is enough to connect them in many people's minds.
I fail to see how adding more poorly made pictures/avatars/sigs/etc. makes something better.
4-ch.net:
Online Since: 01-Nov-2004
4chan.org:
Online Since: 14-Feb-2004
for anyone who actually cares
I think that a board navigation on the top or bottom of the page would help me get curious about boards I don't visit very often. I never use the navigation frame and I think most people don't either.
Also, it could help to feature good threads on the homepage - kind of like wakachan does with the image of the day for example. Basically something that shows actual activity.
Since there's a splashscreen and only a news post every 3 months, the homepage is kind of a missed opportunity.
>>103
Semantics is fun, but we don't celebrate birthdays for dead people. Usually.
http://4chan.net/
http://web.archive.org/web/20031122004728/http://www.4chan.net/
Connecting to ORG.whois-servers.net...
Domain ID:D103979195-LROR
Domain Name:4CHAN.ORG
Created On:14-Feb-2004 15:46:26 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Network Solutions LLC (R63-LROR)
Registrant ID:37342134-NSIV
Registrant City:Herndon
Registrant State/Province:VA
Registrant Postal Code:20172
Registrant Country:US
above links might be NSFW, depending whether you work in the porn industry or not.
>>102
There is a navigation frame? And a home page / splash screen?
(I always come here from the Wakachan front page)
As for getting more posters... Get the people who post in imageboards. They already get the whole thing about posting anonymously, or with tripcodes, etc. Recently I've seen quite a bit of overflow from 4chan /b/, for example to iichan /b/. That seems to be the way people find that place. Not through finding it "on their own".
We just have to mention this place occasionally, and that it sucks slightly less. And also, you know, post once in a while. (gasp!)
Kind of what >>79 said I guess.
> Registrant State/Province:VA
Well it sure explains the KKK theme on the threads.
>>107
Everyone knows South Carolina is the capital of Neo-Confederacy.
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp?S=SC&m=5
I think the text board culture is very vital.
We need to preserve the style and structure, giving a different layout system or accounts, avys etc would ruin it all.
To enhance the user base of 4-ch we could inform people about it at events such as anime conventions, video game conventions and telling everybody at your work, college or school.
I would also like the see the smaller image boards such as ko-chan and iichan become more popular.
yeh...
> I would also like the see the smaller image boards such as ko-chan and iichan become more popular.
This has been reiterated many times, but let me say it again: with popularity comes idiots. Just look at 4chan. The reason ko-chan and iichan are so much better is their lack of popularity.
RE: >>91
Welcome to the new 4-ch!
http://archives.4-ch.net/frontpage_prank/
Is 3-ch.net taken?
Maybe they should change the name. After all, isn't four an unlucky number? Especially as it associates us with the Other One.
Channel 3, everybody, or 3 Channel!
> isn't four an unlucky number?
good point, if you want an international super awesome message board it probably isn't great that its name sounds like "death channel" to one sixth of the world's population
> Especially as it associates us with the Other One.
even better point
Bah, they don't know what they're missing!
guys we definitely do NOT want to americanize, mainstream ourselves, etc.
If 4-ch does not keep it's niche, 'densha-otoko' identity as some of you referred, it will just become shallow garbage like 4chan has
the mainstream has no basis, only communities with a niche and basis will survive
look at gurochan
its an extremely tiny community with an extreme niche, and it is one of the best left
wherther or not you are into guro, it cannot be deinied that their boards are home to a great userbase and carry out real discussions that consist of more than DESUSSLDOL NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER!!!!!!!!!!!1 and shit
yeah it looks ugly and bland to americans, but we need to keep roots to japanese net culture, ive personally grown to like this basic look, it feel slike home
bringing in more people defeats the purpose if they kill the site
we only want people who are willing to immerse themselves and learn about our culture; we DEFINITELY DO NOT need or want to bend and change ourelves ot meet THEIR needs and wants
> the mainstream has no basis, only communities with a niche and basis will survive
I don't know what I'm getting at here.
we live and post in 2ch's reflected aura. 2ch is like our sun.
Hi. I'm new here. So there's like... 6 of us now?
>>120
2channel may have no niche as you say, but in imitating it we have gained a niche of obscure japanese internet culture, 'densha otoko', etc
even though we DO technically have all those boards, theres no denying we have a pretty distinct atmosphere
i mena its not a fucking sports forum, just because we have a sports board
From the splash page:
> Let's talk about everything!
I still don't know what I'm getting at.
>>1
Change "general" category to /b/ and you get 5 million more people.
It's a text board not an image board. I don't think /b/tards would last five minutes here.
Hello,
I'm new in 4-ch, and I must say that I like very much this BBS.
I find the idea of a completely 100% text only and anonymous forums quite interesting, it resembles much more my ideal of purely abstract mind to mind communication that the internet should be able to provide, instead of becoming more and more a tightly surveilled medium,...
Although I'm not an otaku, I like japanese-related stuff, and I don't mind that japanophilia plays an important role here. And even if 4-ch.net starts as a pastiche of 2ch.net, it does not mean that it can't evolve into something interesting in its own way.
Also, I don't think there is any need to americanize this place (I don't even live in the americas). On the contrary, it would be nice if anyone can come here and participate, with english writing skills as sole requirement.
Well it's pretty obvious that one of the attractive features is the ability to be somewhat anonymous. If you were to talk about a personal issue on a regular forum it could quite possibly damage your e-persona.
>>127,132
Welcome!
I admire your understanding and hope you stay.
>>126
...yeah, well....
grumbles I like the sound of /b/ though... Ah, well. We could just wait for more people to come on? I say we establish a good name for ourselves an see how it goes...
>>126
im a /b/tard actually
but i like this place for what it is
definitely not /b/, definitely shouldnt become /b/
This chan is good as it is.
I am new here and I have to say I am happy to see some decent topics unlike 4chan and alike where everything revolves around beeing the biggest kiddy.
sheesh, guys! I meant changing the NAME!
I know!
Instead of a cat girl on the front, why not a flower pot or some dead loli?
>>138 Yeah, what's up with 2ch's new title page?
I want my plain old pot back, that girl isn't even drawn well.
I'm curious as to how dead lolita will attract more people. We're not Interpol trying to draw out the paedophiles. =/
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