Any of you lot care?

Raise your hands.

>>94
"Pragmatism for practicality's sake" my ass. It's real practical to get sidetracked arguing, rather than just move the channel to a place where everyone can fucking participate.

Anyone is still invited to irc://irc.freenode.net/4-ch if they want to get something done.

>>101 why the fuck fo you need to be 100% anonymous?

>>102 why the fuck do you need to forbid me from being?

Getting back to saving 4-ch, we have an offer from blackmage for hosting and most of the replies in this thread being accepting of Shii and WaHA as mods, but obviously 2 people aren't enough and more will be needed. Those who take on the responsibility would have to be the easygoing type who would be very laissez-faire about it, excett for blatant spam and illegal stuff.

I think it might be enlightening to find out how 2ch keeps itself running if all administration and moderation is in fact community run as I've heard.

>>20-21,23,28,34,38,44 have all offered to be (or already are) moderators. I myself am just waiting for word from Squeeks, a) that he is in fact seeking moderators at the moment, and b) how I should contact him and/or the present mods in order to express my interest, without revealing my identity to the public at large. I visit 4-ch every day (way too often, really) and am just dying to help out by removing blatant spam or illegal stuff when I see it.

>>102 He gave his reasons earlier in the thread.

>>101 I joined your channel and you were the only one in it. I left and went to the zirc channel where we actually discussed things. I understand your reasons, but >>87 already gave the recommendation of using a proxy.

>>97 The sooner problems get fixed, the better it is because we won't be rushing to do them when the last month arrives. And if things are taken care of now, we can go back to posting nonsense in /dqn/ instead of worrying about anonymous IRC drama.

Oh and I just noticed this, zirc cloaks everything but your username and ISP. So stop complaining and get on.

I'm now there via http://www.zirc.org/chat/ and a very slow HTTP proxy. Hooray.

Now how about some love for post >>105?

Yeah I am just kinda waiting around. There doesn't seem to be any rejection or confirmation of the ideas arleady posted...

Horray argument.

I've went in the IRC channel before and it was basically 10 people and nobody talking, and I'm in there now and it seems to be about that. (No problems there. That's generally what every other IRC channel I'm in is like)

But if we want to get a discussion going in an IRC channel I'd suggest taking a cue from (gaspo) 4chan and setting a time for it, so that way it wouldn't just be people coming in and not seeing anything and leaving for the next six months.

How about Sunday, 2005 January 29 at 1500 (3 PM) GMT?

Oops. I meant 2006.

heh, that would would be 7AM here (I think)

10 AM ET. Sounds good. I'll be there if I'm not kicked off. :/

> I would have agreed with you until I saw Shii's anti-anonymous bullshit (most recently in >>73). Anyone with that kind of attitude needs to get back to phpBB, and stay the hell away from those of us who actually value discussion (as opposed to namecalling and vanity).

You'll kindly note that I am the author of the original pro-anonymity essay and I usually post to 4-ch and 4chan anonymously. I will do my best to keep 4-ch entirely anonymous, including disabling IDs on boards such IAA that don't necessarily need them. You, on the other hand, are a kotepho, and I can get easy entertainment from antagonizing you without any consequences whatsoever because you will not criticize me with anything even remotely resembling a real name.

I'll be at the meeting tomorrow.

>...including disabling IDs on boasrds such IAA...

But then we can't have ID check threads :(

That didn't stop DQN.

>>100
orz, I didn't reread your post closely enough, but implementing something would not be too hard.
>>115,116 Can always make a trigger that forces IDs on, easy to do aswell

>>115
DQN has it disabled because who cares if there are Jisaku Jiens (in the dark of the night.)

I like the ID/link field thing as it is.

Can't you put things besides "sage" in the link field now anyway, that will keep your ID from showing yet still age the thread?

Meeting began, get in here if you aren't here.
All you kotephos are missing out.

irc.zirc.org #4-ch

Many of us in chat are logging this, so we'll probably post our respective URLs once this is over.

I'll let 4-ch finish off my bandwidth for this month. :P
http://r-ch.net/dropbox/Jan29_4chmeeting.txt

I am happy because I like to take notes.

Log that picks up where >>121's log leaves off (part 1):

*** Sakurina left #4-ch [Going out]
<cosmo_gunny> actually, that's all that it really means.
<anon> damnit you're all setting off my nick
<BlackMage> the thing is, we don't know if you've been here for years
<Squeeks> I've thought about this more about designating moderators. I wont do it now, I want to hear opinions from other people.
<nihon-jin> still, if I say "shii" everyone knows it's THAT dude
<Shii> anon, so fix it
<BlackMage> or if this is your first day
<IRCMonkey> I'm the same as anon0932509
<anon> but this is my name!
<nihon-jin> now say "nihon-jin" or whatever, and noone will have a clue ;p
<Shii> oh, you're THAT anon
<memor> i think shii is a cat that lives in a box
<nihon-jin> lol
<Shii> thank you
<BlackMage> i could claim that anon0932509 is simply me connected through a proxy
<anon0932509> it's a lie
<anon> scary thing, that
<IRCMonkey> his fin funnels keep his box warm

• cosmo_gunny shrugs

<iLove5X52g> You could say the same thing about anyone in the room too!
<anon> but we don't know, see? that's the problem.
<BlackMage> no, because almost everyone can prove that they are not me
<anon0932509> I've just told Squeeks exactly who I am, so this is really a non-issue
<BlackMage> moving on
<anon> are we to part 4 yet?
<BlackMage> who knows
<Shii> anon0932509 = itoko otoko
<BlackMage> i think next was finances
<anon0932509> part 4 was financial, part 3 was technical, I guess part 3 is next
<BlackMage> or that
<Squeeks> STFU FOR A SECOND
<Shii> didn't we already...
*** mode/#4-ch [+m] by Squeeks
<Squeeks> I said.....
<Squeeks> lemme scroll back up for a second, talk some stuff, then we move onto next topic.
<Squeeks> 02:28 < BlackMage> so, the four that have been named are Sakurina, iLove5X52g, and BlackMage, Shii
<Squeeks> If it's reasonable to say that those 4 names would like to be moderators, please, those people PM now if you have any disagreements. If you agree, continue to STFU.
<Squeeks> For the record I will also assume that Sakurina has no objections.
<Squeeks> Right, as I said earlier after second thoughts I wouldn't just make new mods. For the sake of it, I'm going to ask for the opinions of what my current moderators think. They've kept things going this far, I believe they have a right and a preference at this stage to say what they think.
<Squeeks> I'll also think about the idea of letting the people, the community have their say.
<Squeeks> NEXT TOPIC, kids, the technical bits. Hosting, coding, stuff like that.
<Squeeks> As a first and foremost rule of this, please, keep the "something is broken/sux/missing" out of it for a bit.
<Squeeks> Hosting right now is paid for, by me. The server is a 1GHz Duron, 512MB RAM, 60Gb disk on a 10mbit connection, rented from serverbeach.com. So far, it's performed very well, and this is what it has to say about load and uptime:
<Squeeks> squeeks@sakura:~$ uptime
<Squeeks> 16:43:38 up 395 days, 24 min, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
<Squeeks> So it's more than enough to meet 4-ch's needs alone. The connection on it, idles at about 45-60KiB/sec constant, and that's slowly dropping thanks to us getting mod_deflate to work.
<Squeeks> Other random shit about the server: running Debian Sarge (chosen because it's minimalist, very, very stable and strong), Apache 2, perl blah blah blah.
<Squeeks> Now, as I said earlier the "Mr fixit" for the server currently doesnt pay anything, fixes/adds stuff when called for, and gets some free hosting in return. Right now, hosting wise, he may be looking at paying for the server. The possibility of it happening, let alone getting 4-ch piggybacked is unknown. I also have another friend with a box (same hardware, running redhat instead) that might be able to do us favours.
<Squeeks> Right now if we were to leave the current box because $80/mo couldn't be reached a host would need to be:
<Squeeks> if rented or collo, a close match or better to what we have. if it's shared, needs to be able to handle more load, run linux/bsd, have apache, mod_gzip/mod_deflate/mod_rewrite, perl and a few other small things available.
<Squeeks> Coding side of things, well, I'd like some person/people to help. A while ago I asked hotaru to help me out. He got a job instead and said "nah, no time" and that was that.
<Squeeks> as for WAHa_06x36, well, he's got too much on his plate atm to be worrying about us lot, imho.
*** mode/#4-ch [-m] by Squeeks

part 2:

<Squeeks> DISCUSS.
<anon> so dreamhost's shared palns aren't up to the task?
<nihon-jin> no
<anon0932509> I would be skeptical of shared hosting
<iLove5X52g> I don't know anything about this kind of stuff (´`) I'm going afk for a bit.
<memor> you had mentioned before wanting to port to mod_perl, any particular reason? and why not throw squid in front of it?
<anon0932509> usually the uptime guarantee is at best 99.5% which is three and a half hours of downtime a month
<Squeeks> iLove5X52g: utf-8 IRC FTW
<Squeeks> memor: mod_perl compiles the scripts once, and then uses compiled versions of the scripts to re-run again and again, thus making a huge speed increase.
<Squeeks> 2ch uses something like it, SpeedyCGI, which essentially does the same without dependency on Apache to compile it.
<atmcsld> there's no mod_perl right now?
<memor> i understand mod_perl, but you aren't exactly having load issues
<nihon-jin> <troll>fastcgi does the job better</troll>
<anon0932509> Squeeks: but fastcgi or scgi would be even faster, wouldn't it?
<atmcsld> (also, I didn't realize you had to change a script to make it run under mod_perl?)
<Squeeks> atmcsld: Apache::Registry fixes that
<memor> you do atmcsld, unless you make it right the first time
<Squeeks> well, fixes most of it
<WAHa_06x36> kareha should ALMOST function under mod_perl, but since I've never actually tested it...
<memor> i haven't tried kahera under Apache::PerlRun, but you will have some issues with ::Registry i think
<Squeeks> WAHa_06x36: Kareha would have no serious speed improvement. too much eval() being used
<Squeeks> squeeks@sakura:~$ uptime
<Squeeks> fucking copypaste
<WAHa_06x36> Squeeks: actually, there's very little eval at run time.
<Arcturus> I'd offer shared hosting for 4-ch, however, no mod_deflate, so it wouldn't suit your purposes.
<WAHa_06x36> Squeeks: it's all at compile time.
<nihon-jin> so you want to try and rewrite kareha again ?
<WAHa_06x36> the template engine is written with mod_perl usage in mind.
<Shii> what's wrong with blackmage's offer?
<Squeeks> Shii: what offer?
<memor> it doesn't have to be rewritten, just fixed up
<Shii> of hosting, I thought
<anon> there's strong sentimate to avoid "teaming up" with drama imageboard folks.
<Squeeks> he hasn't proposed anything, or told us what could be provided (and at what cost)
<anon> their words, not mine
<Shii> ok
<BlackMage> zero cost, zero interferance
<BlackMage> you keep all take from ads/donations
<Squeeks> BlackMage: tell me everything. what the server is, how much bandwidth you can handle, what OS, what configuration, etc etc etc
<memor> besides mod_perl in the even that 4-ch actually becomes large, what else is there? the ban script, moderation changes, ?
<Squeeks> WAHa_06x36: so really, the only bits that need adjusting are CGI componets?
<Squeeks> memor: eh?
<anon> ban script, for sure.
<Squeeks> also, I would like a wiki/faq thing that isn't made of ass and poo.
<anon> because if you have mods, they don't have direct access to apache, correct?
<nihon-jin> twikiruns on perl, pukiwiki is php
<Squeeks> finding one that isn't javascript or MySQL is hard, finding one better is harder.
<memor> you basically change the CGI things and then just make the code run correctly.. nothing sloppy like forgetting to close a file
<WAHa_06x36> (for those who care, the template system takes a string, parses it into Perl code, which is then eval'd as an anonymous subroutine, returning a pointer to the compiled code. this is stored by a use constant statement. that means it only gets compiled once at load time.)
<Shii> ...
<Arcturus> (I use eval() way too much myself.)
<Squeeks> Shii: his software works. yours doesnt. enough said.
<Shii> No, I was alluding to the four-minute pause
<Shii> I don't think any more can be said about this except for BlackMage to fill us in on server details
<Squeeks> he's being sketchy, even to me on PM
<BlackMage> part of it is that i don't have the box yet
<memor> squeeks: my comment was what else needs to be done, coding wise
<Squeeks> coding that needs to be done is not rather a "fix it once forget about it", it'll be an ongoing thing.
<nihon-jin> re: wiki/faq part... If you don't mind running php (cgi or mod_whatever)and want a wiki, check pukiwiki ... it's japanese so it must be good, no really .. flat files, templates, nice formatting their home page on http://pukiwiki.sourceforge.jp/ should illustrate it well (yes, there is an english version)
<nihon-jin> as for the code
<nihon-jin> what else do you want to fix ?
<Squeeks> nihon-jin: we can't make our own?
<memor> why make your own?
<nihon-jin> well, you could make your own board software too
<nihon-jin> if you had people to do it lol
<Squeeks> we do. we have WAHa_06x36.
<BlackMage> i thought kareha was our board software
<memor> he's a bum
<Squeeks> me bitching about Kareha has caused it to have a lot of features.
<Squeeks> RSS feeds, the admin panels, IE to work with pseud0ch are some.
<anon> "features". I kid, I kid.
<Squeeks> thanks to RSS, google think we are a blog.
<Squeeks> and shit, we've been at this for over two hours. sheesh
<Shii> for serious
<cosmo_gunny> Sum up.
<Squeeks> not a lot really happened?
<cosmo_gunny> But everyone had input.
<Squeeks> true.
<memor> you guys type too slow, and didn't prepare statements to copy+paste, certainly your own fault =P
<BlackMage> we figured out that the current setup is the best
<BlackMage> and we also nominated each other as MODD
<Shii> nobody wanted to help with financial things, we have had vague offers for server things, we have had much discussion of moderation
<Squeeks> we need another one of these.
<BlackMage> who can put out 10/mo?
<Shii> basically 4-ch will run on unicorns and rainbows
<memor> there have been multiple offers for hosting, for free, so i'm not sure how finacial or server matters are really that important.. that is assuming the people making the offers can pull through
<BlackMage> 21 people in here, if eight of us can put out ten per month then we're golden
*** BeingAnonymousIsABigDeal is now known as KJI|Sleep
<Squeeks> what

part 3 (the end):

<nihon-jin> well, you did offer a server for free earlier
<BlackMage> or, i could just buy this new box and hope i have enough left for food
<Squeeks> if eight people put 10 in, we stay on the server we already have?
<BlackMage> maybe a roof
<KJI|Sleep> I wouldn't mind donating at least $10 a month
<Squeeks> well, people don't always want to donate and stuff. I have a couple of things I want to mention.
<anon0932509> nor would I, provided it didn't have to be through Paypal (but I don't know any good alternative, that's the problem)
<nihon-jin> i'd put 10bux/mo in ... what do I get besides that warm feeling near my heart ? ...
<Squeeks> 1) How about our own advertising scheme?
<Shii> 4chan tried that...
<Squeeks> 2ch tried that too
<Squeeks> 2) Does everyone remember when I fucked the settings on Kareha and lost a shitload of posts?
<memor> 2ch actually gets traffic though
<BlackMage> no
<nihon-jin> 2ch has much more hits
<Shii> those were the days
<BlackMage> 2ch has like ... all of japan
<KJI|Sleep> I don't think 4-ch is big enough
<KJI|Sleep> 4chan is even bigger, and...
<Shii> I wonder if adbrite will work
<Squeeks> well hey, even if people want to buy them as gimmicks
<memor> i don't, i'll admit i'm a newbie, but apparently squeeks is too
<Squeeks> Google really, well, isn't that grand
<Arcturus> adbrite kinda sucks. kanoodle were good, though.
<Arcturus> (From my experience)
<Squeeks> what about Clicksor?
<anon0932509> as for 2) I think there should be backups to prevent losing shitloads of posts in the future
<Squeeks> anon0932509: there is. rsync does a daily backup
<KJI|Sleep> I hear clicksor has a lower click rate
<KJI|Sleep> money-per-click
*** KJI|Sleep is now known as KJI
<anon0932509> Squeeks: okay good. I post on /dqn/ too much, I must be turning into Captain Obvious :)
<BlackMage> from what i hear, clicksor rapes babies
<BlackMage> their pay also sucks
<Squeeks> idea: charge $5 to change the default DQN name? you all complain the names I set suck ass
<anon> what about just going out and trying to recrute advetisers for some stupidly low rate?
<anon> sounds like SA
<KJI> yeah, heh
<memor> the default names confuse enough people, i'd be happen with Anonymous all over!
<Squeeks> here's the thing: 4chan is very anime/japanophile oreintated. I don't want 4-ch to be the case
<anon0932509> I think Captain Obvious is a great name though
<memor> s/happen/happy
<Squeeks> we need more "anonymous" sounding names
<BlackMage> i wonder
<Shii> do a deal with newsychan
<Squeeks> eh?
<anon> shi: lol
<Shii> the guy who posts all the thread summaries there can post them here instead
<BlackMage> change it to Lain!whateverthefuck
<Shii> and they can shut down
<BlackMage> i'd pay for that
<IRCMonkey> thread summaries?
<memor> In just about any thread linked somewhere else, people don't know that all of the posts aren't from the same guy
<anon0932509> I think the default name "THRILLHO" on /games/ should be changed, I have no idea what it means and neither did a few people I showed the site to
<anon0932509> people were like, why is everyone posting as "THRILLHO"
<Shii> it's from the simpsons
<anon> it's a simpsons refernece, isn't it?
<Shii> i had to look it up
<IRCMonkey> no, THRILLHO is the ultimate /games name
<anon> what is it?
<Squeeks> okay okay okay, someone please age the "defaults name thread" i cbf
<BlackMage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrillho
<anon0932509> well, if people don't know it or have to look it up, I think it's a sucky anonymous name
<anon> hrillho is a reference from the episode "Marge Be Not Proud." In it, Milhouse is playing a copy of the fictitious game Bonestorm and enters 'THRILLHOUSE' for his character name, which is then truncated to 'THRILLHO.' This is obviously a take on many video games at the time which, due to hardware or other limitations, would limit the number of characters in a player's desired character name.
<BlackMage> you forgot the "T"
<anon> ...that's it?
<KJI> Never heard of it
<anon> jesus: "The tomacco became real when it was allegedly produced in 2003. The tomacco is one of the few made-up words in The Simpsons that resulted in real life application."
<IRCMonkey> "ho", is also north american slang for prostitute, but I'm not sure if that was an intended link
<memor> http://4-ch.net/req/kareha.pl/1101590839
<anon> I'm out.
*** anon is now known as anon|offandaway
<memor> i'm going to make some lunch, i'm sure i'm going to miss a flurry of activity
<KJI> Guess I'm off to sleep then
<KJI> it almost being 9:30
<anon0932509> that reminds me, on some of the boards (the ones running Kareha 3.x) it's not possible to age a thread without ID, because only "sage" hides the ID, but on the Kareha 2.x boards anything in the link field hides the ID
<anon0932509> I kind of like the 2.x behavior myself, what does everyone here think?
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<KJI> I wish non-sage things would hide the ID but age
<IRCMonkey> i like that behaviour too
<nihon-jin> there were also people that would sage with id
<BlackMage> i am impartial
<anon0932509> nihon-jin: how?
<BlackMage> i am also damn hungry
*** KJI is now known as KJI|Sleep
<nihon-jin> s/would/wanted/ <- that's how ;)
<nihon-jin> sry
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<KJI|Sleep> night, people
<KJI|Sleep> if I can call it that :p
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<Squeeks> I might go hit the sack and get some sleep.
<Shii> sounds good enough
<anon0932509> when shall we have another one of these?
<Squeeks> I'm glad you guys (and girls?) decided to make this happen.
<Shii> anon0932509, bring it up on /req/
<Squeeks> anon0932509: I dunno, but give it a week, at least.
<anon0932509> fair enough
*** Disconnected from IRC

wakabamark strikes again!

Oh, and to clear things up for squeeks, no, I have no objections when it comes to becoming a moderator.

Just another suggestion here,

We previously had the "Code 4" forum at http://beta.4-ch.net/dis/ to discuss things we wanted to add to our 'dream board software'/Kareha replacement. From past experience, I would suggest using the 4-ch wiki for collecting ideas and/or progress on our projects.

Good idea? Bad idea? Discuss.

No. Using wikis for discussion does not work, period.

I never meant using them for discussion, I meant for planning of projects.

FROM THIS THREAD IS THIS READILY APPARENT 4-CH WILL DIE BECAUSE YOU CANNOT SORT OUT A SOLUTION BUT INSTEAD ARGUE LIKE CHICKENS.

WHAT IS HERE IS NEEDED A PERSON SETTING UP A SUCCESSOR SITE STEPPING UP ALREADY INSTEAD OF ARGUING ABOUT ALL IRRELEVANT THINGS HERE.

When this site dies in 6 months, I will set up 8-ch. It will consist solely of /dqn/, so there will basicly be no change from 4-ch.

:(

How condensing.

Does anyone feel like summarizing what conclusions were reached on the irc meeting, if any?

Splitting up this discussion was a bad idea in the first place.

>>135

I don't think any conclusions were really made, but there was progress and some clarifications. Let's see, what I got from it was:

1: The current system is pretty good.

2: In the future, the users will be able to be more involved, being able to report threads they think are bad and give their input on other issues. Some ideas on how to let the users be more involved may be borrowed from 2ch and the users themselves.

3: One of Squeeks's friends might continue hosting 4-ch (for free?), or with us paying for (some?) of it and him doing server-side stuff, or blackmage might be able to, or it might be ran on donations and ads. Possible AD options and donation methods are being thought of. All of this is still in consideration.

4: Possible future moderators are Sakurina, iLove5X52g, BlackMage, Shii. Anonymous/unknowns never had a chance. :p
Possible is stressed since current staff and perhaps the users will have a part in this choice.

Also, who the mods are shouldn't really matter, as hopefully they will be as stealth as a ninja. All that matters is that they do a good job helping to make 4-ch more like the users want it. If Moot himself was nominated it wouldn't really matter, as long as he did a good job.

5: Coders are wanted to help enhance and add more features to Kareha, as well as help do other things, such as maybe develop our own wiki.

6: DONATIONS AND SUGGESTIONS ARE STILL BEING ACCEPTED
(Cruise control)

>>137
thanks.

> 4: Possible future moderators are Sakurina, iLove5X52g, BlackMage, Shii.
> Anonymous/unknowns never had a chance. :p

This retarded attitude supports the thesis in >>131.

> Also, who the mods are shouldn't really matter

Then they should be representative of the site's users, rather than imageboard celebrities.

>>139

So how exactly would you choose moderators?

>>137

>Anonymous/unknowns never had a chance.

Hey guys, lets make a really cool anonymous forum, with all these benefits to being anonymous. Then, we'll tell the people that liked the philosophy of it that they can't moderate the forum because they're anonymous. Awesome.

>>140
I think the best way to select moderators would be similar to that bash.org app that was up a while ago. ie, create a dummy forum filled with posts, and have the moderator go through and moderate it. Then you grade it to what you're supposed to do.

>>139
Indeed, how would you choose moderators?

If you have a suggestion, that you think would work better, and it makes sense, by all means state it. It just might be the best idea ever!

>>139

Last I heard, I wasn't an imageboard celebrity. :/

I'd still like to know how 2ch keeps itself staffed without collapsing into mod drama. Does it in the end rely on Hiroyuki's benevolent dictatorship? If they have user-run system that works, there's no shame in borrowing some of their ideas.

I like >>141's idea. But also people could submit some sort of qualifications privately to the admin or current mods, like their contributions to another site, IP addresses from which they've posted (then the server admin could verify that there were a number of posts from this address), etc.

>>145
I think you're leaning back to the "'Anonymous/unknowns never had a chance.'" idea.

I disagree, isn't it common opinion that anonymous forums help us start on equal ground, not based on who someone is? Raising one person above another based on those things undermines the very idea of anonymous forums.

>>146

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SO ANONYMITES, COME RALLY AND THE LAST FIGHT LET US FACE
THE INNNNTERNATIONAAAAAALE UNITES THE HUMAN RAAAACE!!!
☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭

First off, Hiroyuki does this same thing on 2ch.

Secondly, we are picking moderators to clean the board of spam, not to create a cabal or bureaucracy that decides 4-ch policies. Making the rules will still be left up to everyone, in regular 4-ch style. (Note to Squeeks: On 2ch, IP bans are publicly listed on a forum, as well. I'm not sure if that's a good idea or what.)

Third, your bash.org proposal is too easy to abuse. Soviet Russia could just come in, pick a fake nickname, and lie on the exam.

Finally, if we were really picking imageboard celebrities, we would have settled upon Lain...

>>147

>First off, Hiroyuki does this same thing on 2ch.

Um, ok!

>Secondly, we are picking moderators to clean the board of spam, not to create a cabal or bureaucracy that decides 4-ch policies.

Well, I really see the whole "Hay we have this cool forum that lets you be anonymous and actively encourages anonymity" and the "only tripfags can be moderators" as self-defeating.

>Soviet Russia could just come in, pick a fake nickname, and lie on the exam.

Soviet Russia could also be using a fake name right now.

>Finally, if we were really picking imageboard celebrities, we would have settled upon Lain...

I'm guessing this wasn't directed at me, because I didn't mention anything of it.

>>Soviet Russia could also be using a fake name right now.

Shii might be Soviet Russia!

> we are picking moderators to clean the board of spam, not to create a cabal or bureaucracy that decides 4-ch policies.

Oh, I thought rules/boards/site changes would at least be discussed, if not decided on, in /mod/, as this would be the team that runs the site or whatever. If they won't be, well, paint my ass red and ban me from the site! (Don't really.) How then will these things be decided post-Squeeks?

Decide in /MODD/! Decide in /MODD/!

I'll personally decide how to run the site, and I don't need a board to talk to myself, thank you very much.

Here's a suggestion: Make this /Mod/ public, though possibly make it so only mods can post.

I mean, really. This just shows that mods have a elevated status, getting their own secret forum where they can post away from the eyes of "average users."

We should know what's considered spam, what was deleted, and what kind of decisions go on there as well.

The very existence of that forum shows that everything doesn't really rely on the users.

What, does the stuff that goes on there not concern us?

>>150

> I thought rules/boards/site changes would at least be discussed

If anybody has any suggestions as to rules, boards, or site changes, they can simply make a thread in /req/ (YOU ARE HERE) and we'll look at it. If squeeks thinks it's a good idea (and if enough people back it up, I assume), then it might actually happen.

The first thing to remember is that there is no /mod/

Uh, yeah there is. http://4-ch.net/mod/

>>156
lol sarcasm

>>34

You're not the only one. I like the link field too.

>>158 why?

with the link field you can hide your ID and age at the same time.

>>159

It put's it all in one spot. Keeps things visually tidy. Besides, a checkbox would decrease the range of amusing sage failures.

>>161

Petitioning to keep the ironic purposefully failed sage alive!

>>162

Parition to keep the non-failed sage that still fails still alive!

>>160 not on the Kareha 3.x boards (IAA, Love & Romance, Literature, Hobbies).

Squeeks, can you give us any kind of update?

>>165

Update? Nothing has happened. I don't have time to do anything here at the moment thanks to work.

>>166 Then why the hell are you posting here? Get back to work, slacker!

>>166

Yeah, scat!

>>166
If I remember correctly, there were 2 people you were talking to about servers. Has anything come of that?

As a new poster to 4-ch I fully expect to be told to lurk more for this. However, why can't we just borrow mostly everything from 2ch? The happy japanese made it the most successful board on the web somehow. Can't we send some japanese speakers/readers to spy on their base and see how thay run things, then try and transpose the findings onto 4-ch?

My personal idea for moderating the boards was to not let people know who the mods were. All mods would be anonymous and any deleting etc. would have the tag "4-ch moderating team" this would lessen the blame getting onto one single person. Also I would like to have an appeals system along with the reporting system so that threads/people can be returned with popular support.

Why the hell would we care how they do it? Do you think it is too much of an intellectual exercise to figure out how to manage a forum? As it is now not even an admin can undelete anything though.

>>171

Err... Because the way they do it gets them 2.5 million posts per day? Just sayin'

It would be an expensive venture to have a board that popular. you'd need scads of bandwidth, a real staff, and ads to pay for it all. Additionally, imagine DQN exploding 100-fold.

sinks into reverie

>>173

http://ex14.2ch.net/news4vip/

DQN sucks a lot compared to news4vip.

>>173

True. However it would be the biggest English-Speaking board on the net. I'm sure a fair few companies would like to advertise once they knew that statistic. Plus we could always try and wrangle some sort of deal with server providers like the Jpas apparently did. And even 2channel can run on a volunteer staff picked from members who post mostly anonymously and only post trips when doing important modding.

meh, just think that if this board was set up as a tribute to 2channel. It should AIM to be the All-English version of 2channel.

ramble ramble

>>175
No shit
http://sabo2.kakiko.com/bbspost/autoimg.cgi?bbs=news4vip
:rolleyes:

>>176

This is silly. 4-ch may be purposely similar to 2ch, but that hardly means it needs to copy to be a good board. Simply emulating them WILL NOT bring the same success, nor will it necessarily lead to happy users. I'd much rather see decisions made for this site made by our own users and staff, not the users and staff of a site that probably doesn't really know we exist.

4-ch should aim to be 4-ch, not a translation/copy.

>>178

I'm not suggesting that we totally copy everything they do. However the way to be a good site is to take the best things from other success and improve on them. >>178

>>179

>However, why can't we just borrow mostly everything from 2ch?

It sure seemed like you were suggesting that we do whatever they do and suddenly somehow become the largest English speaking board in history.

What I'm trying to say is that the things they did for their success came from their own minds, and so should ours.

>>180

Yes. But sometimes it helps to take someone elses idea and use it as a base. For example I'd like 4-ch not to be too Japan-centric and more open to the casual internet userbase. To do this would require alot more advertising on our part, and maybe more spreading by our own selves.

"Hey man, I know this board where you can discuss [Insert thing here] the people on it are pretty helpful and it's totally anonymous and register free. It doesn't even take a minute. Give it a try!"

>>180

Also I would like to say that I would like 4-ch to be the biggest English-Speaking board on the net. In fact I thought that was the whole point. Meh whatever like y'know.

>>182

The point is that it can't become the biggest English speaking board just by copying 2ch.

4-ch becoming the biggest English board online would require a lot of people to change the way they view the internet, and I just don't think we have the power to get them to. It's not that I think it's absolutely hopeless, but doing things because 2ch does them just -will not do it-.

Personally, I don't care if 4-ch is ever the biggest or the greatest board on the web. I just want it to be a good board. It'd be nice if 4-ch is big at some point, but superlatives like "biggest" will distract you by making you worry about what other boards (e.g., the present biggest) are doing.

what is biggest bourd on interweb?

The biggest English registration board seems to be Gaia Online.

...Yeah.

Actual on-topic discussion on how to save 4-ch below this point
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Let it die and the community form its own multiple off-shoot websites!

no dont :(

let's all go to becauseitswinter

>>190
no

let's all go to http://academy4.2ch.net/english/

>>185
2channel.

anyway, I've been away from 4-ch lately. I used to think I was definatly one of the biggest posters here, but it's been a good 3 months since I've said much.

I came back and what do I see? the site about to die, and a lot of pointless, off-topic arguing.

Come on guys.
I think we can do better than this. I think for the most part this issue is being handled well, but there are a few users out there who seem more interested in being anonymous or proving their points than actually helping the good of the site. Being anonymous should cut down on arguements - see something you don't like, ignore it. That isn't the case with all topics, as otherwise much discussion would die, but in this case, LET'S SAVE 4-CH.

Who cares about being the biggest or the best?
I mean more users would be great, but is being the biggest important at all? Do we really WANT that many fag jackets running around 4-ch? I highly doubt it.

Who cares if you're 100% anonymous if you still get to have a nice, laidback, and unbiased disscusion? That's the only reason to be anonymous in the first place, but in many cases, especially for short periods of time, being not-anonymous is in no way bad at all.

Who cares if we're 2channel? We should figure out what's best for this site. Sure, they're our base and we borrow a lot of culture and ideals from 2ch, but this issue has nothing to do with them, it has to do with us. Because they're our base doesn't mean they have to be our guide for the entire life of 4-ch.

Basically, this is a long, long, pointless post saying:

get back on topic and stop fagging up the thread.

Oh, and for what's it worth:
I like the link field, and I also like Shii.

> Who cares if you're 100% anonymous if you still get to have a nice, laidback, and unbiased disscusion?

Me.

> That's the only reason to be anonymous in the first place,

No it's not.

> but in many cases, especially for short periods of time, being not-anonymous is in no way bad at all.

Yes it is.

>>194 kotepho

>>195 ad hominem fallacy

>>194

>Me.

Why?

>No it's not.

What other reasons are there?

>Yes it is.

Why?

>My post.

Why do we keep derailing?

Quit this jibberjabber.

We only need a strawman who we can give money to who takes care of the hosting deal. What about WAHa?

>>198
I think you mean "figurehead", not "strawman."

Anyway, I've sorta given up on this deal. Either 4-ch somehow keeps running and working, or I'll just start my own site and promote it as 4-ch's successor. Having the community run the site is stupid.

Squeeks apparently wants to be the figure head still, but not do any work