hey guys
like i said in my title i dont know if this is against the rules or not but,
should i consider suicide?
i know most people here would tell me to go to a suicide hotline or something
but those people are people that are, for lack of a better word, brainwashed.
People on bbs's give their "honest" opinion
so yeah anyways, should i or shouldn't i?
what are your motivations?
You shouldn't.
"For Camus, suicide is a "confession" that life is not worth living; it is a choice implicitly declaring that life is "too much". Suicide offers the most basic "way out" of absurdity: the immediate termination of the self and its place in the universe."
That was his first thought, then later on he came to this conclusion: "Thus I draw from the absurd three consequences, which are my revolt, my freedom, and my passion. By the mere activity of consciousness I transform into a rule of life what was an invitation to death, and I refuse suicide".
Just refuse suicide, it's worse than living, it's less respectable than living. Of course... If you don't care about yourself or others that much I wouldn't tell you not to kill yourself, but don't you think death is just an escape from your problems and a demonstration of weakness?
Life can be unbearable sometimes but it is better to live it than to die. Specially when you don't believe in the after-life. Right?
If you have unresolved issues why not... barricade yourself inside your bedroom for a while and think things through? (It's better than killing yourself) Avoid getting too comfortable to it and get out in the night to a 24/7, how's that?
Good luck, learn the beauty in the little details.
>it is better to live it than to die
No. Why would it be? The moment you're dead, you stop feeling anything; there's no 'better' from then on.
OP: It's irrelevant if you commit suicide or not.
There is no point in advising against suicide as long as the motivations are not known.
Well, how I see it is... If you logically understand that the world is a matter of perceptions and that therefore all is absurd (because in the end you do die)... Then also death, as a part of your life, is absurd.
And I think it it is even more absurd to kill yourself than to await for your death because you are eventually going to die anyway.
So killing yourself is, and always will be, a bad choice, in my opinion, of course. Life can always take a 180º turn, you just have to wait and keep on struggling.
Well, I agree to some degree. Although it is true that you need to know the details of someone's situation to advise against suicide or for suicide, but I just gave my opinion about it and what I think this person should do... Because suicide doesn't solve your problems... It just ends you and therefore your problems.
I don't agree with suicide, that's all.
>I don't agree with suicide, that's all.
Good for you, but honestly who cares? This thread is not about you, but about OP's opinions and problems.
By just negating what OP sees as options, without even having a shred of an idea of what he's going through, or who he is, you just show that you are more ready to force your beliefs down his throat than to actually listen and try to understand his problems.
Why don't you create a thread about why you are against suicide, and let OP express himself in this one before staking your position so forcefully? If you do create that thread, I'll let you know in which instances I would agree with suicide, so don't worry, it won't go to waste.
I was asked something that lead me to answering that, of course that what i said to OP was in my first post here.
And I'm not negating what OP sees as options, It's just my opinion that the OP shouldn't, under any circumstances, commit suicide because in my sincere opinion (considering that the purpose of this board is to ask and give opinions and help with whomever's personal issues) no one should commit suicide as a way to escape whatever your issues are, you have to be strong, take your time getting well, just don't kill yourself because there is something troubling you, nothing in life is as serious as it seems.
And, specifically for OP, here's what i really think, but i was afraid it would come down too hard... it is best for you to hear this, perhaps:
Nothing in no one's life is as serious as it seems, unless (of course) your basic needs aren't being fulfilled. Love, job, friends, etc... aren't necessarily things you need to survive, or even to be happy!
All you really need is food, clean water and etc. You can lead a happy life with only that, no matter what society, history and culture wants you to think, and this is my opinion, you shouldn't give up on life just because you lack things that you find important, and so on.
Just give it up, if you and society don't work out together, try being happy in another way! Live your life the way you want to, don't think life is as serious as it seems.
>>1
Please don't commit suicide op. You might have problems but there is help if you look for it. It would be silly to end your life while the possibility of you becoming well still exists.
wow, OP here
I'm surprised how many people responded.
>>7 i guess thanks are in order
um about motivations... im not sure what you guys mean so i heres what ill say
my motivations of suicide are "common"(?)
you know bad family, such and such, stepdad, the general bad-movie experience.
i kinda had to adjust and mature very fast cause my family status is well in vernacular fucked up.
never in a real friendly environment since i flew to the usa from asia.
name calling and such for 8 years in school can wear down on a person.
anyway, im seriously suicidal, as most mentally depressed people are.
I'm viewing suicide as a logical answer to escape my hellhole of a life.
Go to the library get survivial books for living in the wild such as what plants to eat how to catch game and how to build a place to live out of natural materials study them memorize them and try them out then get on a bus to your nearest wilderness and live out the rest of your days in beatiful uncorruptible nature away from people and all their shit never to be made fun of or be pressured to be anything or do anything other than live. There are always alternitives op it would be sad to waste your current ability to exist because you are depressed. Living in society is hard but leaving society doesn't have to mean suicide.
>>11
Good idea. If you want to die, at least die trying. Like the thinking.
suicide is dumb.. u'd just never get to feel good things again... no more orgasms, no kisses, no hugs, no colours, no good smells, no awesome feelings, no epicness.. :3
dont hero.. heroing is for weaks
Meh. Life is only worth it in the subjective sense, because being "worth it" is a subjective concept. Simplified, life and then death naturally occur, and you give your life meaning.
First though, ask yourself some questions. Not the cheesy normal ones either.
Suicide is neither dumb nor smart. Death is eventual, but if one has any desires, premature death will get in the way of fulfilling those desires. The only reason suicide is extreme is because there are no ways to move on from it. It's game over once you're dead.
And if suicide is in your case the logical way of going about things, then that means you really have approached the question logically. But from what I read, it seems more like you've made a decision based more on emotion than logic. Just saying.
>>11's essential strategy worked for me - make a resolution not to end things, until you've tried to change them through the most drastic means possible.
In my case, when coming to my senses after the first attempt about ten years ago I told myself "Next time I feel so awful I'm ready to die, I run away from my current life and travel the world first, and if that doesn't cheer me up I can still die afterwards." It's dissuaded me a few times, because running away from my current life to travel the world is frankly the more terrifying of the two options, but also is something that would be pretty cool to do if or when the time comes (terminal cancer, etc.)
If you're gonna end it all, go out with a bang. And I don't mean a suicide bomb, but rather an experience you won't regret having made the culmination of your brief existence. You just might find you don't hate being alive as much as you thought.
>>13 "suicide is dumb.. u'd just never get to feel good things again... no more orgasms, no kisses, no hugs, no colours, no good smells, no awesome feelings, no epicness.. :3
dont hero.. heroing is for weaks"
This is an ignorant comment. I'm pretty heavily depressed so it's like I'm ever going to feel any of the good things listed ever. Demonstration:
-Orgasms: I'm tired of jacking off to pr0n every day
-Kisses: Lol, those are just a myth for me at this point
-Hugs: See previous comment
-Colors: All I see in my lecture halls is gray, and maybe black.
-Good smells: No time to smell anything in a tough university program
-Awesome feelings: I only feel despair these days. Can't remember the last time I felt good, or even just okay.
-Epicness: ...nah, more like epicfailness
>>16 "I'm pretty heavily depressed -so- it's like I'm ever going to feel any of the good things listed ever."
You state that because of depression you will never feel good things. In addition you are in a "tough university program." By the fact that your situation is definitely impermanent, I hardly consider you a valid source for predicting whether 'good things' will ever be felt. Not that you are surely wrong, however.
I have lived through the muck of the world and have nothing of value (same reasons, OP, I feel you), yet why do I persist? Others have answered this question with ideals; strong wills gravitate to ideals for life, using love and hate. Subjective, this thought of something to create, destroy or protect. In the past my answer was fear of the unknown or curiousity (spread nearly equal between life and death mind you).
Answer these before you choose to die (there must be a simpler set, but I can't see it in my depravity):
a-Does a sense of honor advise or prohibit this act? Is honor a farce?
b-Are there any sensations that give you repreive? Worth living or dying for? No one or thing you will care about damaging? Suicide makes those who knew you or were affected more likely to suicide themselves (that MAY be a plus for you, OP).
c-Is there another escape that gambles less? Escape from a home is easier than you think, but you must convince (read if you will: manipulate) others to GET YOU OUT. Some really do care for all, and will fight for you no matter your flaws. Something seen as attempted suicide (even cutting) really is "cry for help," isn't it? (The last there is rhetorical.)
d-To rephrase the last: Do you know what death brings? Is it worse? Some DO deserve death, I say. Are YOU any more or less 'deserving' of life/death than others?
e-Is the phrase "this too shall pass" aplicable?
Suicide. What we experience is through faulty perception of the objective (it almost certainly exists), so we do not know anything for certain but that we experience. Sensation IS the only thing you know is real, and you are trying to end it. Fine, you make your own choice. I never said why I yet live, so here: for now I live by a fluke, a living dream or nightmare. It doesn't exist, yet I live for it. True insanity is this. Suffering is less real than the dream for now, but it wasn't and may not be always. I think I will die trying to live.
Men are more successful in attempted suicide than women, mainly because of more violent methods. I suggest that if any part of you that you value doesn't want to die, get help, even avert suicide as a sign. If you are serious, be certain you will perish--no reason to risk failure if you are sure (also tell us beforehand please, I'd appreciate the knowledge). Your assumptions on life, like all of ours, are probably wrong somewhere. None of us really knows, OP. I'm good at getting people to hate me, but, yes, this may be as wrong as you are.
i come off as a slightly odd/socially awkward, but generally goofy and really fun person. it's a big fat facade though- no one really knows how much i want to give up or how low i really am mentally. i really have very little to live for myself, so i understand where you are coming from OP.
however, i always think that if it ever comes down to me really wanting to do it one day, instead i should just take off- like do something crazy that i've always wanted to do, or just take a back pack and start walking somewhere or something. at that point i'd have nothing left to lose so i might as well throw my life to fate and see if anything interesting happens.
really i can't ever seriously consider suicide, because i would never want to traumatize the people in my life like that. that is something that really leaves a scar, even after their lives go on and they start to forget you.
i also have siblings/friends who have their own issues, and i don't want to give them any incentive to hurt themselves.
I kinda hate comments like "you won't feel the wind anymore blablabla" which fails against arguments like death is inevitable, and you will fucking die and never feel the wind again anyways. See?
Suicide is personal. Shit there's no point in convincing others how shitty your life is because from their pov life is worth living and all the pain,misery is "normal" and a good price to pay. "It's better to be a slave than be dead."
My philosophy is you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. There were alot of times i felt suicidal hell i still do but i stick around just because"i choose to" and. Like>>17 it's no answer but there isn't really answer to make life worth living. I find it's worth sticking around, because the only thing that is permanent is CHANGE.
hi op here again,
>>18 so what happens when you dont really care about family and its actually them thats causing you to have these suicidal thoughts?
>>17 hmmm thats actually worth some serious thinking.
and for everyone eles thats alwasy saying stuff like "o u could alwasy change" or something along the lines of that(not that its bad advice or that im making fun of it)
i dont really have control over my own life, pretty much.
>and its actually them thats causing you to have these suicidal thoughts?
>i dont really have control over my own life, pretty much.
Listen skippy, let's get one thing straight: these are YOUR thoughts. It's not like other people can go into your brain and hit a "feel good" or a "feel bad" switch. I've been in your shoes before and I can tell you right now it is your fault you feel this way. Other people may do shitty things to you, but you are the one who has control of your thought patterns, and most likely (assuming you are not a POW or something) control of your behavioral patterns as well.
> I've been in your shoes before
Obviously you're full of shit, "skippy"... because otherwise you'd be able to show a little more tact.
>>21
On some level it's true of course but you are over simplifying it, it is very difficult to "switch-off" the ruminative negative thoughts without some form of outside intervention like therapy, medication or some sort of regimented exercise regime. Depression generally cripples your will to do anything, you need someone to help you, help yourself.
Helping oneself would be possible in mild depression, but suicidal depression, it's kind of a tall order mate.
OP needs help from a professional, not naive advice from a well meaning retard.
If things like a "tough university program" are the reason you are so depressed, then why don't you just drop out of uni?
Yeah, maybe you will never have a respectable job or maybe you'll never amount to anything. But why the fuck should you care? You were going to kill yourself anyway.
You may as well just do whatever the fuck you want to. Drop out of uni, fuck some hookers, rob a bank, whatever. The consequences of any of those actions can't really be as bad as being dead in a hole.
>On some level it's true of course but you are over simplifying it, it is very difficult to "switch-off" the ruminative negative thoughts
I never said anything about him having to "switch off" anything.
>without some form of outside intervention like therapy, medication or some sort of regimented exercise regime.
I only said it was important that he take some responsibility, not that he do everything by himself (I would certainly support these ideas you listed). If he blames things on others and makes himself feel helpless how can he recover? How will he feel the initiative to change? What good would going to a therapist do if he didn't have a real role in his life anyway?
Think of it this way: we look into a clean mirror, and we see our dirty face, and we clean the mirror- thinking it's that that's dirty. Is the face any cleaner? Of course not, to make it so we have to actually clean our face up, but to do that we need to realize that it's our face that's dirty and not the mirror.
OP here again, it took me a while before i read the whole
Do not use this board to discuss your suicide-related problems. You should seek professional help. There are many services worldwide that allow you to talk to professional councellors anonymously, this is not one of them. Check your local phonebook for such services.
yeah, thx for the good ideas everyone, but i dont want you guys to get in trouble and get banned from here. good ideas, simple solutions. The problem is execution (as in actually doing it, not you know...)
thx for all your comments, it helped me think about some stuff
>>26
An occasional thread like this is okay, I expect the powers that be just don't want this board to turn into a morass of people threatening to off themselves when many such people have psychiatric issues that can't be cured over the internet. No one will get banned over it, in any case.
>>27 is banned for posting in a suicide thread
dont know if it is a mod or not, if not dont be a troll here,
if it is, im sorry for any inconvenience.
re: >>18 so what happens when you dont really care about family and its actually them thats causing you to have these suicidal thoughts?
well, if you are willing to make make a complete shift in your existence via suicide- then, before making that irretrievable choice, why don't you just do something completely unexpected- like pack a few things you can carry and just take off. start walking. see where you end up- at this point, what have you got to lose?
you might as well open yourself up to new adventures. and if it's your family that is the source of your troubles, my advice would be to break away from them and live for yourself for a while. there is so much more out there than most of us are able to experience.
no money? try volunteering- you can travel around the country and get free room and board via organizations like WWOO0(dot)org... or for more temporary accommodations, try couchsurfing- google it, there is an awesome website dedicated to it.
i mention these things only because i think about doing them myself. if it gets to the point where i can't take it any more, i at least feel like i am creating other options.
dude, really, i know what it's like to feel despair. my life is beyond fucked up. if you ever want a sympathetic ear, let me know- there are plenty of times where i can use one myself.
OOPS tyhat was WWOOF, not WWOO0 haha.
I don't know if anyone have already pointed this out, but here it goes:
In any normal situation there is no logical argument for commiting sucide. As it is impossible to foretell the future and knowing that the human being is very impressionable any objective reasoning for killing yourself must be quite meagre.
So what makes you commit sucide would be your feelings. Feelings should be left out when making desicions (except when dealing with art or love).
Our picture of the world is hugely affected by feelings and looking from a new angle could mean the difference between night and day, really.
If one have lost all hope that they can achieve happiness in their current situation, my suggestion would be to leave everything and eg. move to Congo. If you have nothing you want where you are and is considering sucide you don't really risk anything. Maybe as a voulenteer, as someone said.
Another good option would be to build an aeroplane (eg. one of the pioneering planes, like Blériot IX) it won't matter if it crashes as you were considering sucide anyway. It might even spark your interesst and you regain a meaning for your life. The only drawback would be if you find the meaning and then crash and die.
As I see it, anything would be better than killing yourself. Try whatever, no matter what it is. There is so much we don't know about the world it is almost certain one would find something worth being alive for. There is no limitations either in sense of risks, it is better to die trying to find a meaning than to simply lay down and die.