Seems there's no end to the bickering and arguing about history distorted by nationalistic agendas.
What's with the vehement nationalism? In some countries it's more intense and wide-spread than others, but all three have their conservative elements that seem unwilling to open up to multi-nationalism.
At it's ugliest, the bickering descends into racist diatribes.
Will things get better or worse? Will Japanese, Chinese, and Korean textbooks be able to represent histories that don't anger their neighbors? Will Japanese prime ministers be able to visit war memorials without insulting Korean/Chinese nationalists? Will Korea and China agree on where Confuscius was born, or what 'nationality' the ancient Koguryo kingdom belonged to?
Because the maligned have always made up the majority.
If they got along internet trolls from China, Korea and Japan would have nothing to do...
Today's Korean in Japan (ZAINICHI)
http://oriharu.net/jjinsin.htm
Korean makes Japanese girl to be sex slave.
But Japanese police dose not arrest them.
(You can know from 「Miss Luice Blackman 」)
English girl was killed by ZAINICHI in Japan.and All sex Broker was Korean around WW2.
Oh Oh! Zatouichi! That blind guy is awesome! Oh whats-his-name is also the head teacher in Battle Royal!
>>1 cos china called japan a dork
nd korea used to push china on the playground
They can lol! They do lol! THey will kick your western ass lol!
What is the point of posting this link. Because a couple of Koreans commit a crime means that they are somehow bad?
No! no!
Big Fat China was bossing little Korea around the schoolyard telling him what to do, and taking some of his lunch money, and Jock Japan came over and beat up Fat China, and bullied Little Korea in being his crony, taking some of that lunch money while he was at it.
Then the Teacher came along and scolded Japan, dropping two big smacks with his ruler on his head, Fat China started hanging around with the Red Gang and vandalising the schoolyard, Japan was on probation and forced into good behavior, and Little Korea developed a bipolar disorder and was a whiny bitch to Japan the whole time while on probation, blackmailing him for freebies, and using the Teacher as leverage.
can't really determine a single core where these issues stems from... but if usa + another western nation falls... then war will eventually break out between the countries and eventually after each nation got their steam relieved out of them (or beaten out of them)it will calm down...
Korea stole Japan's milk money.
If a big world war like that broke out, I would want to see a South Korea-Japan alliance.
Korea and Japan share a lot in common and they're next to eachother, and they're both pretty cool, so why should they fight?
i think each country (china and s. korea especially) should stop prying into internal affairs (such as history text books) and trust the other country's citizens and politicians (usually citizens) to offer checks and balances...
such unnecessary prying could only damage international relationship...
also i don't know whats the big deal if the japanese prime minister visits yasukuni shrine; it is more so for a sign of respect of the idea that one will risk their lives for their country than condoning military crimes...
just let each person do whatever they want at their own home.
hopefully it will result a mutual status of understanding and respect...
sorry to draw upon this example again, but to my knowledge it was concerned japanese citizens who brought up the inaccuracies of certain historical text books... so trust the people to make the right choice... just cause certain text books doesn't necessarily reflect reasonably objective point of view doesn't necessarily mean the entire population of the country shares that view (when a certain company in korea were found to pass contaminated food to schools doesn't necessarily mean that all of korea wants to poison their youths)
issues that concerns both countries directly and equally is a different game though (such issues of that little island between japan and korea, comfort women, accuracy of the nanking massacre, and etc.) and quite frankly i don't know what will be a reasonable solution (talking doesn't seems to work...)...
(insert sarcasm)
however, if there was some form of a systematical process to resolve an argument... maybe a trial of some sort which is then observed and judged by neutral, objective party members... maybe the neutral party members could be a collection of international representatives... then problems could be resolved on certain issues (end sarcasm)
Japan is a very small country, BUT japanese got the will and intelligence to SURPASS everyone or anything!
So they are far more superior than the Chinese people who are just copying things (badly)!
>>16
Seems like you forgot that before the late 19th century, Japan was the one copying the Chinese culture, language, technology, architecture, philosophy and almost everything else. But you can't blame Japan for that, everyone else has been doing the same and copying off the then superior Chinese ever since the beginning of civilization in the Far East. Today, Japan is one to talk only due to it obtaining by chance a very favorable position after WW2.
Historically, being the most powerful nation in the Far East for almost the entire course of history has it's drawbacks. Unlike the Europeans, the lack of any competition (except the damn Mongols for kicking everyone's ass for a period) from outside China has slowed down Chinese progress. I would say the amount of internal strife, (which is one of the main cause China fell behind in the 20th century, between the Chinese people is due to the fact that everyone else (yes, the Japanese, Koreans, Manchus etc.) is too busy kissing China's ass and sending the Chinese tributes to oppose mighty China which could back then very much wipe off anyone else from the face of the earth. When no one else is up to the challenge of standing up to the Chinese, it's surely up to one of their own to fuck things up. And then when China is in a turmoil, the rest of the world moves in to take little bites of it.
I imagine the future would see China being the sole main superpower in the East again, maybe with Japan living under China's missile shield instead of the USA's if the Americans continue to pick the crazy little extremist Middle East so much.
With that being said, I still think current China is a dirty shithole, I don't think China in it's current state is a good representation of a Chinese country so if you really had to pick a good example, go for Singapore. So for the time being, Japan>South Korea>China.
I will say just one thing!
Japan will always (hopefully) stay superior to China in regard of technolgy!
>>18
Judging by the expenditure China has on R&D, they're probably catching up fast. Though I think the government would probably prefer to research some military tech and all that rather than focus on public welfare.
Well dunno, i mean at the moment, all the thing China is do is just copying products (badly)!
Yeah most probably they put all the efforts in the military.
Nver heard of their military-technology though in any coverages ;)
Because... Singapore is a "Chinese country"?
The only "Chinese country" is China. Say what you like about the CCP, but China is still China, they're making progress, both socio-politically and techno-economically. And though it has some hurdles and obstacles and a bumpy road ahead of it, it's still pretty r0xxorz, and a rare example of steady, controlled social progress. After a century-and-a half of violent social upheaval and civil war, seems like China's finally finding ways to make "progress" that don't involve amassing the corpses of its own people in the tens of millions.
>>22
Singapore IS a Chinese country, being predominantly Chinese and having a mere 25% of it's population as non-Chinese, which I would argue that due to the fact of controlling too little of the economic market share compared to the Singaporean Chinese while holding little to no political power, makes it a Chinese country anyway you put it. Did you forget the ROC as well?
While I'm sure most Chinese see mainland China as the idealized picture of a motherland with a somewhat geographically and culturally way of attachment to it but by looking at the reality of the situation, with the centuries of Chinese migration and the inevitable process of globalization the world is going through, we can't really say China is the ONE and only Chinese country now can we?
I think what the CCP is doing atm has both drawbacks and advantages, there's bound to be a whole bunch of ass kicking improvements coming in the long run. And visit China too, with some exceptional locations of course (Hangzhou etc.), it is still a pretty much a shithole to live in and hopefully it'll get better as soon as possible.
Ok, look, if Singapore is a Chinese country, than Quebec is a French country, and the USA is a Hispanic one.
I can see where you're going, but I don't think these immigrants make Singapore "Chinese", it makes it a country of Chinese immigrants at most. Ask a third-generation Singaporean if he's Chinese and watch him laugh in your face.
Taiwan's a little different, there are still lots of Taiwanese who would consider themselves "Chinese", but just as many who consider themselves distinct Taiwanese. However, since Taiwan is still politically a part of China, it doesn't really apply as I see it.
There is definitely a huge Chinese diaspora, but these are not Chinese colonies.
>>24
do you suggest that the USA would be a native american country?
No, but I am suggesting there is a rift between the "national identities" of North-American European-Americans, and that of Latin-American Americans. There are like two Americas in America.
Both may perhaps consider themselves Americans, although there are plenty of Hispanics in USA who consider themselves Mexican or Puerto Rican first and foremost, but whose America are we talking about here?
semantics, semantincs, though.
blanket terms like "chinese" and "chinese-immigrant" are always going to be ambiguous.
Korea are organized by copy of Japan.
good example.. Honda is really similar as Hyundai
I cant not list all of them.
This is just not possible. A lot of issues in these countries have impacts on other countries as well.
To understand the nature of this issue, you have to see that no amount of "apologies" will ever resolve this issue.
They Chinese and the Koreans just want to milk the Japanese of their money/land/resources by constantly stoking their historical guilt (Which the Japanese have been more than too happy to oblige for so long!)
Just imagine if the French were still asking for compensations over the English for invading France in the hundered years war, or for England asking for compensation from France for invading their land in 1066. This is what is going on right now!
> Japan just wanted to rape the Chinese and Koreans of their money/land/resources by invading and massacring their people
adjusted for historical perspective.
> Just imagine if the French were still asking for compensations over the English for invading France in the hundered years war, or for England asking for compensation from France for invading their land in 1066. This is what is going on right now!
Poor analogy. Time heals all wounds, eventually. Unless you're a Semite.
>>31
there are still living survivors of the lolocaust.
most french and english people probably don't even know what the hundred years' war is.
terrible analogy is terrible.
Most Japanese people don't know why Hideyoshi is so popular in Korea.
Is he a pop star or something?
No, he was a Sengoku Daimyo who unified Japan in the late 16th Century and led the Seven-years war against Joseon Empire in the 1570's. Although his invading forces had the support of the Korean peasant class who rose up against their masters when the samurai supplied them with much needed rice, the Korean ultimately managed to secure the northern half of the peninsula with help from their Ming allies and seized naval superiority, cutting off the Japanese supply lines. Ultimately, southern Korea under control of Japanese fortresses was pinned down with no support, and was starved out of Korea. This disastrous war for Japan weakened Hideyoshi physically and helped destablize Japan when he died, leading to more civil war, but ultimately a reunification under Hideyoshi's old right-hand man, Tokugawa Ieyasu.
This war was famous for the development of Iron-clad Turtle Ships and ample use of the Korean Hw'acha, a kind of early rocket-launcher.
It was also the war responsible for the Korean naval hero, Yi Sun-sin, who is accredited with the invention of Armored ships.
I hate KOREAN!
I hate CHINESE!
They are so disgusting.
>>36
No matter how much you hate them, it wont make you any more Japanese.
I am Korean and I would like to say... Yes some people do hate Korean, Yes some people hate Japanese, Yess some people hate white.... The list goes on... But I mean those things exist because there are people who thinks like that and it might never stop.
But there are other people who likes other races because they understand that those are not just a person with different skin color or a person from a different country. Those people see other people in different races as a person. I mean we are all human race.
Yes, there are plenty of hate and love in this planet called Earth... So I guess it balances it out...
Plus people are starting to not hate the other races as more generations come along.
So it's a good sign.
Plus even with racisms... Don't people all share the same fate? Life, then death. (Also one day (long way to go but still...) Earth will blow up and the human race will be forgotten)
So why don't we understand all that? Well some people will agree/disagree with this but I don't care... Since I am just stating some facts.
They should all get along since they all look and behave the same way. They all hate Black people too.
Ignorant much? I hope your joking ViolentAJ...
>>40
He's either a fool, or a neo-nazi posing as a black to incite hatred among japanophiles.
I lean toward the later.
I'm not joking at all. Japanese, Koreans, and Chiense ABHOR Black people. Just ask any of them, just go to one of those countries. I've been to Japan,a nd I know. That's why Japanese girls and Blacks never get together, but all other races get them with ease.
>>42
Looks like he's not joking. So point proven, he's ignorant.
>>42
what the hell are you talking about? I've lived in japan for 16 years now and i dont notice that kind of preposterous racism prevalent in japan.
I know a japanese woman married to a black man.
> That's why Japanese girls and Blacks never get together, but all other races get them with ease.
All other races get which, a Japanese girl or a Black?
Also, consider how and where the typical east-asian gets to know about Africa and African-Americans. AFAIK there's no large scale immigration from Africa directly (though I did see a handful in Roppongi trying to get me into clubs.) They didn't cash in on African slave labor, either, did they? So, everything they know comes from foreign sources. And at that point, it becomes a bit too complicated for me to speculate further.
Asians love the most honorable chocolate man! Haven't you guys seen Code Monkeys?
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