I really don't have an opinion on which one should watch anime as long as both dubs and subs are GOOD. There are some where the dub is awfully bad and in the old days some when even the subs were worse. Though cultural animes like Azumanga Daoih or Yakitate (with the puns) should be watched subbed.
But between a good sub or dub I think it doesnt matter really. For me its which format you watched first for that particular series. For example, Evangelion for some reason I prefer the dub because when I first watched it it was on a dub VHS tape so got use to it. When I try to watch it sub, the voices just got too weird and sometimes annoying for me.
http://4-ch.net/tv/kareha.pl/1102331649 <- "Sub or Dub?"
>>2
Yeah, but that one's for films in general.
Dub>>>>Sub
i prefer the listen to my anime instead of reading
>>4 i prefer to listen to my anime instead of reading
sorry about that, fixed.
>>4 I have the capacity to do both at the same time. ; ) Also, dubs will sound horrible for non-US-natives.
Subs>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>infinitely high wall>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dubs
for me, mostly.
Just about all English dubs are done in the US and the US accent just naturally sounds really really out of place to me. Especially because I feel that much of the time while they can get the basic emotion and what not right for decent dubs I don't think they're very good at using their accent to get the correct tone and inflections...
Another problem I have is that in the dubs I've watched the sound effects and voices don't mix together very well, it sounds too fake. To me, anyway.
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many dub haters dont know a word of japanese yet think its better then dub because the japanese show more emotion, i could never understand this when they cant understand a word of whats been said by the person their hearing
i mean subs can be misleading, someone posted a sub screen from 3 different groups from Ghost in the shell stand alone complex second gig all 3 lines are different almost..
at least with dub you can almost have what would of been said, almost of 10 different versions for each group
Please try forming coherent sentences.
Rather incoherent. Can you rewrite it? There's no different between different lines in subs and dubs.
> i mean subs can be misleading, someone posted a sub screen from 3 different groups from Ghost in the shell stand alone complex second gig all 3 lines are different almost..
Bringing Animejunkies up in an argument like this is cheating.
>Bringing Animejunkies up in an argument like this is cheating.
In addition to that, it makes >>9 look stupid too.
lol hey im not hating on subs, im just saying dubs are often better because they are consistant, they may not be true to the word since, but they are official and in your language and provide a reasonable story
> they are official and in your language and provide a reasonable story
You can find official subs on most official DVDs, making them as "consistant" as the dubs, unless you want to take into account all the fansubs ever made of a series. Also, I could mention fandubs, but of course, I won't.
but unless you know Japanese its very difficult to tell if the fansub your watching is actually what is being said in Japanese and correctly translated, its exactly the same with dubs, and subs for dubbed dvds, since both take an interpretation of what has been spoken in the origional language
i know its futile for me to defend dub but im looking at both sides
Well in that case if you don't know whether the dub or the sub are actually what is being said in Japanese and are thus equal in that respect, I'd still take subs, because it sounds a helluva lot better.
And it's more likely dubs will be the more 'adapted' of the two because they have to fit the sentences with the timing and such.
I'm thinking ID:gfPzutVy is a very confused man.
Well, I've tried listening to some english dubs...
Tried is a good word...
I like good subs. And good dubs. But - maybe I just hasn't been lucky - Englisg dubs I heard (except one - it was Armitage I suppose) were just terrible. Actors and actresses were choosen completely inappropriate.
In general, I preffer subs. Although I do not know japanese (well, my knowledge of english is also far beyond my expectations :) ) I want to hear original soundtrack. Besides, japanese have briliant seiyu, really talented and professional. Work of voice actor is very specific and I think they just have more experience than english actors (not specially trained to be VOICE actors).
Ok, long story short, subs, definitely. More specific - soft subs (not hard) ex. matroska fiels, ogm's.
um no sorry i aint.. just because im defending dub doesnt make me confused
No, what makes you confused is your inability to argue or even form sentences coherently.
what dont you understand english my sentances are fine, unless your some fucktard that only cares about grammer
no need to argue but since you have provoked something fuck you
> what dont you understand english my sentances are fine, unless your some fucktard that only cares about grammer
No, I really am completely unable to parse what you are trying to say here: "at least with dub you can almost have what would of been said, almost of 10 different versions for each group"
The sentence makes no sense. Even if I try to guess at what you mean and fill in the missing words, the content of the sentence doesn't even make sense.
fine, il elaborate
with dub you could almost have what would of been said almost
but with fansubs you get 10 different versions of what has been said
You do know that official translations aren't all dubs, right? There are official subs, too. And dubs are often further from the original meaning, because they have to be adapted to lip sync and such?
>>26
I prefer subs over dub pretty much because of the lip syncing. If any of the lip sync is off then I can't stand to watch it.
>>25
I don't understand why you are so adamantly defending dubs. I've seen more bad dubs than subs and really the only bad subs i've watched were the english tracks on chinese blackmarket dvds.
>>25
✔ would of
✘ would have
it's more like:
✘ would of
✔ would've
>>28 How did you get those characters?
ugh. dubs totally suck. all the american voice actors totally suck, not to mention that it just sounds wrong.
>>32
Voice actors in a lot of games are really good, but in anime I could kind of agree. An exception I've found is Outlaw Star. Outlaw Star has fitting voice acting. I have the series on VHS and half is sub while the other half is dub and they both seemed to fit together really well.
I watched the dubbed version of Cromartie High at Otakon, it was top notch. Liked it much better then the fansub. That type of comedy is just better when translated.
>I watched the dubbed version of Cromartie High at Otakon, it was top notch. Liked it much better then the fansub. That type of comedy is just better when translated.
I strongly doubt it has an equally good voice for Wakamoto Norio (Mechazawa) tough! ; )
but you generally find things more funny when you hear them rather then read (im not the person you replied to in that instance, im the one that defends dub)
answer this
is a joke funnier to hear or read?
yeah but you still are hearing the japanese as you read the subs... if you watch a lot of subs you get good at it and it isnt really like you are reading anymore
okay since you are no longer reading anymore, you dont need subs
download raws now!..
then tell me if your reading or not :p
>answer this
>is a joke funnier to hear or read?
Read, in this case.
Any kind of generalization won't work here, since it will be (for me) ear-grating American English anyway. Furthermore, since I'm Finnish I'm used to TV being in a foreign language and subbed (only shows for small children are dubbed here), so that's more the default state than anything else.
>but you generally find things more funny when you hear them rather then read
...and this is just personal preference. In addition to all this, I like the way subs bridge different cultures and teach languages.
> is a joke funnier to hear or read?
once upon a time they had these things called "books"... they weren't entirely devoid of humour.
>>39
I think he meant "you get used to doing it and it becomes immersive", not "I know japanese from watching anime".
if the funniest guy in the world, told you a joke, once in speech form, the other on paper, which would you laugh at?
i.e
your in a street, the funniest man in the world walks up to you
1) tells you a joke in your own language
2) lets you read another joke
assuming both jokes are equally as funny and able to make you laugh, which would you apreciate the most?
"the funniest guy in the world" implies an aspect of performance art. Which you actually lose in a dub if the replacement actor isn't as skillful as the original.
>1) tells you a joke in your own language
>2) lets you read another joke
>assuming both jokes are equally as funny and able to make you >laugh, which would you apreciate the most?
If this is to be about dubs, I want it to face a bit of reality: no-one will dub anime to my native Finland-Swedish. Subtitling isn't unthinkable though: it's potentially available to close to anyone, while dubs certainly aren't.
In any case, any general or even metaphysical points about subs/dubs are moot for me as long as American dubs are the only ones that are really available, and American English just screams "ALIEN!" in my head - which sounds silly since I'm watching Japanese stuff, but it's true.
>your in a street, the funniest man in the world walks up to you
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>1) tells you a joke in your own language
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>2) lets you read another joke
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>assuming both jokes are equally as funny and able to make you laugh, which would you apreciate the most?
(2) makes an implicit assumption that the joke is not being told (in an alien language) at the same time as it is being read (in a familiar language). An absence of aural stimulation--the smackdown "attitude" of the joke, if you will--can do much to ruin the emotional impact of the punchline. Clearly, I would appreciate the joke most if it was told to me at the same time I read its translation.
main thing i didn't like about the cromartie dub: kamiyama sounds like a stoner rather than the proper, too-formal nerd he is.
cowboy bebop actually had good VAs. in general anime dubs suck. i wish they would actually hire decent VAs ... ever play MGS... heck any MGS .. all of them have good VAs... then again i just get the raws / fansubs ... i wouldn't bother waiting for a dub
I recall watching a couple of Cowboy Bebop dubs and cringing at the voices of some of the secondary characters. Yeech...
What good is it to have decent main voices if they are to be ruined by the secondary voices.
it's not like they have a budget to get quality VAs for all positions. And consider japanese dubs .. they have annoying voices for one time flashbacks from youth ...
also there is one thing worse than any US dub .. take the worst US dub ... but a Japanese anime with English will be 10x worse.
consider Beck .. i couldn't finish it cause the engrish was so wrong ... also consider Speed Grapher ep 17 .. all i can say is lol wtf zomg bbq
i agree with that.
Dub>sub
>>8
QFT... heheh.
Assuming the subs are of decent quality (which is kind of a separate issue), I'll take subs anyday. Even if you can't understand everything being said, the overall feel is different. I like to have the 'original' feeling and tone, so I go with subs. And it's really no effort to read them... it becomes so unconcious and quick after a while.
But, I can understand that some people aren't too picky to they just pick the dubs. I guess that is still better than not watching at all!
... but only slightly Ψ(｀∇´)Ψ
I have yet to hear a good dub of any series, and that's that.
the dub for Azumanga Daioh was good
a dub is only good when they match the en voice in tone, and inflection to the ja actors in the vast majority of instances, and manage to keep the intent of the dialog intact.
a dub can be great if the en actors are of better quality and understand the intent better than the origional ja actors, while this is possable, it's vary rare.
a great sub is one where the words convey the same intent as the voice, and are paced as close as possable.
given these, i'd take a Sub first chance, as to what sub, i'll take an en sub by the ja company first, then the Fansubbed one, and last of all a sub from an american company.
i've heard arguments for and aganst both subs and dubs. it's true you sometimes miss action reading subs, but i have a rewind function i can use it, but still there are some anime i'll watch in dub because it's done well.
final verdict Sub's are my true Love, untill i learn Japanese
>> 56
stfu, gawd why do you scum even exist
>> 53
try watching some of em, personally I can only watch Tenchi Muyo in english dub. IMO, the voice casting is much better then the japanese version.
Dubbing anything is a waste of $$$.
Dubs are good when I want to have something on in the background.
Subs are good when I'm seriously watching something. Since they don't have to worry about matching mouth flaps subs are usually more faithful translations.
well I prefer subs. Main reason is that I can easily snatch DVDs with french dub but it sucks way too much. English dub is far better than french but it's hard to get them here.
>>61 are you kidding? I always thought french dubs were better
>>62 no I mean it seriously. but it might be my lack of experience with en dubs. As for fr dubs basicaly I hate the voices they pick for guys.
English voice actors can't sing. There's never been a case where I liked the english singing better than the Original Japanese.
whoooah, I must admit that I didn't see much anime where they're singing. (excluding openings and endings)
but I must say that all translated openings I have seen were horrible
I wonder why English dubs are so shitty?
I especially hate when they pick a "famous" person to provide a voice. Actually, I hate that in all movies.
that Haley Joel Osment or whatever hes called that does Sora in Kingdom hearts etc and various movies, is playing the lead character in IGPX(i think thats right).. never seen the show before, its fairly new though since its a joint production between Bandai, Production I.G, and someone else
anime example
Great Teacher Onizuka
sub, jap voice onizuka: Fyutsski
dub, english onizuka: foo yew sewt kee
gto in particular was torture to hear sylables in names read as separate words.
example 2
DBZ
sub/jap goku: sounds like a kid did the voice for adult goku.
dub/eng goku: voice just fits the character. period.
example 3
Dirty Pair Flash
sub/jap: dont know, didnt watch this way.
dub/eng: holy shit that voice is babs bunny!
babs voice is also used in the hentai Keiko Kamen(sp?)
fuck i hate that voice.
i don't know if this has been brought up before but dubs seem strange because the animation was made with the assumption that the characters would be speaking japanese and consequently use japanese mannerisms (body movements, gestures, etc.)
When you dub the show in any language it seems that the voice (tone, style, etc) doesn't match what the character may be doing with their hands, body, or even the face. Kinda the same reason why dubs of live action shows look funny.
Is this just me or does anybody else feel this way?
ive seen a german dub of star trek voyager, i loled so fucking hard. i bring this point up because it was something dubbed from english, to another language, i can understand where your coming from with the whole dubbing from Japanese to english
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sub.
dubs usually sounds too american. sorry.
I usually prefer subs. Notably, Yakitate simply couldn't exist with dubs - not with all the Japanese puns - and I hate Asuka's voice in the ADV Eva dub. That being said - you should always try the dubs, if only for comedic value; Osaka has a Southern (American) accent in the dub of Azumanga...
You never saw a spammer get nailed before or what?
>>73
same as u but mee.. the sound is not soo original.. to make strange noise (hey is a dub right, i wonder why my country not good for the dub) and lost special sound like "Standby" sound (background) from Kamen rider Faiz.
i support sub.
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I like subbed, not because I am one of those annoying people who think that all English voice actors suck and ruin it, but because I love hearing it in Japanese or whatever original language a film is in. It is just better that way.
I remember the dub of Evangelion- it was awful. Asuka's voice actress made me cringe. That harpylike, screeching laughter of hers was too much to take.
>>79 Screeching you say? That describes about 70% of Japanese voice actresses. My ears are still ringing from watching Azumanga Daioh.
The worst part was in the commentary on the platinum version of the episode "At least be human."
She was ear-splitting and horrible.
I know Japanese seiyuu are like that, but Tiffany Grant's voice is even worse than Kamiya's from Kenshin. It makes me want to kill something. x_x
Yu-Gi-Oh: The Abridged Series
AKA: Dubs done right. :3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w71V2E3VC5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWBHoHT9lYw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-7UX1xSEfU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMlAAbjpydM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oIwIfuxFZo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6k3YlcYtS0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNmcfMioPUI
( ﾟдﾟ) Stop being weeaboos and enjoy the dubs
Japanese porno sounds like sheep
some women sound like their going baaaah baaah baaah baaah baaah baaah
Ana Coppola-chan speaks English fluently in the dub.
>>86
Ya don't say?
I think dubs are okay, but sometimes I'm caught off guard with their choices for certain characters. Listen to Himeko in this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39G0_9QFZiA
I don't really care, as long as I can switch back to moonlanguage on the dvd on a whim.
Film or animation, I watch it in whichever language is native to it. The only exception in animation has been Cowboy Bebop, where Eng > Jp.
I hope Chobits and Utawarerumono were well-dubbed... I bought them. O.O
Ha ha. Chobits.
>>89
don't worry. Chobits is dubbed quite well. About Utawarerumono, not quite sure.
Except for the parts where the VAs try to pronounce the names properly but all failing in their own special ways, causing the most inconsistent pronunciation I've heard in recent anime dub history. And of course the barely okay casting and meh meh acting. But other than that, it's dubbed quite well.
Ugh...some of the voice actors were ok but....having watched subbed...it's...ugh...
Personally, I prefer subs over dubs due to personal experience from watching Chinese movies that were dubbed for an english audience, when I couldn't get ahold of the subs for the ones that had older chinese...moving along now...
In my opinion, it's more of a cultural difference than anything else; the gags that japanese shows use as opposed to american shows have different appeals and a sort of feeling to them.
Also, it does have to due with the fact that most voice actors that are hired for dubbing, are just terrible choices in general, or have poor ability to carry out the feel of the character. My worst experience was Love Hina dubbed version...it...it was terrible...cries The VAs...they didn't match at all!!!
Yet, I wouldn't mind watching dubs if the VAs chosen were veterans or had watched alot of subbed anime, because I found that most of the pple in my anime club can pull off better dubs than the ones most of the companies choose. But that might just be my group of friends...
That's a broad generalization that doesn't work well as an arguement. It doesn't take into considerations of puns, both written and spoken, or differences between languages.
Not to mention there's a slight difference between the "Funniest Man in the World" and whether or not he can properly tell a joke. A poorly executed joke wouldn't be funny regardless of what it was about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGnErG0Dhic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5UfIRmkv28 (legendary)
I want dubs like this, if they ever want to dub.
do any of you all think that some dubs are better than the japanese versions? i thought that fullmetal alchemist's eng dub was actually better than the japanese version. most of the time, though the dubs are pretty shitty, esp. those that 4kids botches. =/
I prefer dubs, just because I don't understand enough Japanese or Japanese culture to really get the "in-jokes" or other references. Most Animes I've seen have at least passable VAing for the English Ver. anyway, and so me being the world's laziest anime fan, I'd rather listen to English than Japanese.
When I watch TV and movies, I want to understand the story. That means that I actually lose when the authors refer to Japanese pop culture things that I don't get. Far better in my opinion, to have an English translation that gives me the same information in a way that I understand. If not, I think I'll misunderstand the author's intention -- I could think that a character's being mean by doing something that in Japanese culture is perfectly normal.
To give you an example: Suppose that you're Korean or Japanese, and you don't speak a word of English. Suppose you're a fan of American sci-fi, and some of it is exported to Korea or Japan. What value is there to listening to the original voice of Scotty? You don't know English, and since (in that case especially), the actor is affecting a strong accent and dialect, a lot of what's going on is going right over your head. Besides that, you'll miss out on the cultural things (i.e scotty wears a kilt, not a skirt, though if you know nothing about Scotland or kilts, I could imagine you thinking Scotty is a cross-dresser). You're losing, even though you're reading it in Korean and listening to the original soundtrack. It would be better to have a Korean Dub that explains what is going on and gives you a Korean equivelent (whatever that is), so that you can follow.
Another thing that bothers me with the Sub vs Dub debate is the odd notion some people seem to have that you're not really a true Anime fan unless you listen to the NEET Japanese voice acting. Not true. Maybe you get a charge out of it because it's a way to show off how "so-fisticated" you are to be able to understand Japanese pop culture and have the "good taste" to shun the "obviously inferior" English language translation. In short, I think many Sub-fans like subs, not because they're actually better, but because they get to show off how kewl they are. After all, only a n00b likes Dubs, and you as a connoseur wouldn't sully yourself by listening to English VAing.
DUBS ARE HORRIBLE THAY ALWAYS SUCK AND YOU NEVER SEE PRETTY ACTORS LIKE MARIA YAMAMOTO OR HARUKO MOMOI
DUBS ARE HORRIBLE THAY ALWAYS SUCK AND YOU NEVER SEE PRETTY ACTORS LIKE MARIA YAMAMOTO OR HARUKO MOMOI
DUBS ARE HORRIBLE THAY ALWAYS SUCK AND YOU NEVER SEE PRETTY ACTORS LIKE MARIA YAMAMOTO OR HARUKO MOMOI
I don't understand why you people don't get it. YOU SPEAK ENGLISH! I hate people who try to be Japanese also. News flash: your little friends in Japan don't feel the same way about you. Other than the logical point that reading subtitles is annoying, dubs always are funnier. I hate all of you and I hope you choke on your damn subtitles.