Translation request thread (1000)

1 名前: Anonymous 2004-12-10 05:36 ID:hJuK50Pg [Del]

orz if you plz

734 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-01-22 01:07 ID:FbgD9iTx

Was reading 痴漢男 and a few terms came up that aren't exactly clear to me.

あわよくばセクロス = I'd hit it?
ヤクイ = やばい?

735 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-01-22 02:19 ID:Heaven

>>734
あわよくば⇒If it goes well
セクロス⇒ セ+クロス(cross)⇒ se + X⇒ ○○○

736 名前: = 。= : 2007-01-22 02:27 ID:Heaven

  ∧_∧   >>734
 ( ´∀`)  About「ヤクイ」, use this dictionaly.
 (     つ http://www14.atwiki.jp/niman/pages/12.html
 | | |
 (__)_)

737 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-01-22 04:37 ID:Heaven

>>733
【特撮バイク乗り】 = Kamen Rider
【輝くフォース】 = Shining Force ?

>実はこういうアニメの別名を示すスレ、立てばどうかな?

スレタイは"Otaku jargons!"でな。

>>734
「あわよくば」isn't a jargon.
Ask your J2E dic. for detail.

738 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-01-22 04:53 ID:Heaven

>>728
However I can't get its context very well...

She (maybe who is talking is female) have negative feeling for his or her ambush after his or her coming to her home.

739 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-01-22 09:23 ID:XR4VgYf0

740 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-01-22 10:11 ID:8LuXg3mv

>>737

再びありがとうございましたー。

ではスレ立ちましょうかなー。まずこういうアニメ別なのリストを作らなくちゃ。作った後立ちます

741 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-01-22 17:03 ID:FbgD9iTx

>>735
>>736
Hey, thanks.
The next one I was gonna ask about is 「中の人などいないっ!」
I guess it's a 2ch joke?

742 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-01-23 01:14 ID:Heaven

>「中の人も大変だな」
>「中の人などいない!」

"It's tough for the person(s) in it, too."
"There's NO person INSIDE !"

#There's been this joke since before the birth of 2ch.

743 名前: <ヽ`∀´> : 2007-01-23 01:19 ID:Nvb0YcMd

>>742
History of 中の人などいない!
http://www.tokyo-nazo.net/tester/nakanohito.html
=================================================
http://www.media-k.co.jp/jiten/wiki.cgi?%A1%E3%A4%CA%A1%E4#i17
○「伝染るんです。」より「かわうそ君」
-------------------------------------
    ,,-‐、______,-''三ヽ     中
   ( ミ,,-――――――-- 、丿     の
   /::/   U        `ヽ     人
  /:/   (;;;;;;;;;)ノ ハU(;;;;;;;;;)U ヽ    な
 /:/ U  i||| -     l - lli   i     ど
 |;|         、__丿     U i   い
 ||      U   ,ニ,ニ、      i.    な
 |::|   U     | |  ̄ | |  U <三三 い
三三>       U l iエエ,i      人    !!!
 |:::::::::ヽ、______ー___,,-'':::::
 |::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4091923410/dokoaacom-22/ref=nosim/

744 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-01-26 02:27 ID:EIqbFNGn

or2
I need this translated for a flash project. I apologize in advance for the content.

シスタープリンプリン
行くわよ?
行くわよ?
行くわよ
はい〜〜っ
ソレ!
お兄ちゃん
お兄ちゃん
(はいっソレソレソレ!)
お兄ちゃん
お兄ちゃん
(はいっソレソレソレ!)
お兄ちゃん*6
(はい〜〜っあそれ!)
ちょっと真夜中にオナるそのときは
(ハイハイハイ!)
私とのHを胸にシゴいてね
(ハイハイハイ!)
キンタマに精子溜めて目を閉じて
(ハイハイハイ!)
悪戯な指先を思い出してね
(ハイハイハイ!)
愛してる (皮は)
チンポごと (剥こうね)
チコウもっ (ほらね)
綺麗にしてあげるっキュゥゥゥン! (いくわよ!)
(ソレッ!)
フェラチオぱっくん! (気持ちいい?)
ザーメンをごっくん! (飲んじゃった!)
もうイヤよはずかしい (ヤヤッ)
お兄ちゃん許してね (いやぁん)
ほいっ!
お兄ちゃん
お兄ちゃん
(はいっソレソレソレ!)
お兄ちゃん
お兄ちゃん
(はいっソレソレソレ!)
朝立ちのオチンポに困ったなら
(ハイハイハイ!)
お兄の好きなパイズリしてあげる
(ハイハイハイ!)
チンポの雁と乳首が擦れ合う
(ハイハイハイ!)
ツバでヌルヌルの亀頭かわいいね♪
(ハイハイハイ!)
愛してる (チンコォォォ!)
我慢汁 (好きよぉ)
漏れそう (だから)
い・ぢ・わ・る・してあげるー! (もー!お兄ちゃんたらっ♪)
ソレっ!
おっぱいにもぴゅっぴゅっ! (あんもっとー!)
お顔にもどっぴゅっ! (濃いのね)
イヤらしい顔見せる (ヤヤッ)
お兄ちゃんいいでしょう?
(レッツゴー)
ほらほらお兄ちゃんお口をあーんして
あんあんしてして好き嫌い (ヤッ!)
ご飯を食べ食べあーんしてお兄ちゃん
お箸に挟んで見せないでチンポにっ私が
あんあんするんじゃないのよチンチンしまって(二枚にしないのぉ)
するのはご飯よ(チンチンご飯よ)
あら間違えちゃった我慢我慢 (ねっ!)
シャツの上からお箸でイタズラおっぱい
イヤイヤ弄っちゃいやぁ(イヤッ!)
お乳も乳首も尖って (プニプニ!)
お箸を持つ手が震える (プルプル!)
フトモモちゅるちゅる食べちゃおお汁で我慢できないの
(ちゅーるちゅる♪フフッ)
スカート染みてお汁でついちゃう!
「これじゃあ学校行けないよぉ」
おまんこじゅるじゅる割れ目もヌルヌル
だんだん擦れるおまんこいっぱい!
だんだん擦れて乳首も (ピクピクっ!)
だんだん感じる私のおっぱいなっちゃうなっちゃう!
イキそになっちゃう!おまたがヒクヒクなんだか心配
ハジケルきんたま両手でシゴいて今度は私が (あーんするの)
お兄ちゃん(お兄ちゃん)
今度はあーんする私のお口は好き?嫌い? (どっち?)
今今しようよご飯の前菜噛み噛みクチュクチュお口が(いっぱい!)
だんだん感じて私も感じてクリちゃんイジられ
(イッちゃう!イッちゃう!)
どうしてほしいの?(マンコがじゅるじゅる!)
お兄ちゃんが悪いんだからー!
すったもんだ!
そんでもって!
もぉーーっ!
愛してる (お尻の)
おまんこは (違う?)
駄目なの (伸ばしてー)
赤ちゃん出来ちゃうよー (イヤーン!はずかしいわー!)
ソレッ!
ケツ穴でイッちゃう! (イイわイイわ!)
ひぎぃー アンド キック (おっきぃー)
お尻が好き (はわぁーん)
お兄ちゃんイけ! (イッっちゃーう)
お留守番2人きり (ヤヤッ)
お兄ちゃん大好きよ♪ (いやぁん)
ハイッ!
愛してる (お尻の)
おまんこは (違う?)
駄目なの (伸ばしてー)
赤ちゃん出来ちゃうよー (イヤーン!はずかしいわー!)
ソレッ!
ケツ穴イッちゃう! (イイわイイわ!)
ひぎぃー アンド キック (おっきぃー)
お尻が好き (はわぁーん)
お兄ちゃんイけ! (イッっちゃーう)
お留守番2人きり (ヤヤッ)
お兄ちゃん大好きよ♪ (いやぁん)
ハイッ!
お兄ちゃん
お兄ちゃん
(はいソレソレソレ!)
お兄ちゃん
お兄ちゃん
(はいソレソレソレ!)
お兄ちゃん*4
(ハイー!)
お兄ちゃん大好きよ
うぅ・・・なんだかなぁ・・・
(ハイーッ!)

745 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-01-26 03:05 ID:qPb0+y2w


あれわなんですか?

746 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-01-26 03:24 ID:T9xKeAD+

>>745
コピペ

747 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-01-27 07:59 ID:Heaven

と言うかなんだ、キミ、
エロスは程々にしときなさい

748 名前: The supreme leader of philosophy : 2007-01-29 16:45 ID:Heaven

>>744
ふざけすぎだろ!

749 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-06 02:43 ID:Hpskvys7

hello

please help,
what means:

ウズウズ

???

thanks :-)

750 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-06 03:05 ID:Hpskvys7

PS: 749

context:

なんか心がウズウズしていろいろと思い出して想像して悶々と。

751 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-06 03:57 ID:Heaven

>なんか心がウズウズしていろいろと思い出して想像して悶々と。

Somehow my heart's so hot, remembering everything, guessing, and worrying.

#"ウズウズ" is a sign of unstable and being going to go. mainly of an affection.

752 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-06 06:58 ID:MozIruKz

>> 751

thank you so much :-)

753 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-07 00:49 ID:j3eV/7Pu

Does 「スク水タイプ」 mean a school swimsuit, or a school swimsuit type, something like that? I get idea, because (obviously) there were pictures, but I'm not sure exactly what it means. I'm guessing it's a slang term?

754 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-07 00:52 ID:j3eV/7Pu

>>753
Oh, and I should add, I'm sure I've seen the same phrase before. That's why I assume it has an established meaning, rather than being made up in the doujin.

755 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-07 02:10 ID:5ltdfRa5

「スク水タイプ」だけだと意味不明だな
文脈が欲しい

756 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-07 02:45 ID:j3eV/7Pu

>>755
Didn't think it would make much difference, sorry.
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8223/tokusyuu016td2.jpg

757 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-07 03:41 ID:5ltdfRa5

>>756
「要望の多かったスク水タイプ」だと意味は確定するな。
意味はおおよそ

一口にスク水といっても様々な形式(タイプ)があるので、
その中の特定の一つ。例えば白いスク水とか、袖の長いスク水とか。

ぐらいだと思う。
これを英語ではどう言えば良いのかは全然分からないけど。

758 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-07 08:53 ID:CCFSgz62

I used your help a couple of times so far, thanks a lot for this :-)

I would need help for some more short sentences (jap->engl) but I don't like to post them all here (it's personal).
Would someone of you like to help me via email?

thanks for your time :-)

759 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-07 12:02 ID:Heaven

「タイプ」というのは "type" と完全に同一ではないと思う。
i think they are not exactly same.

「タイプ」is used not only as "type", but also as "style" or "edition" in some situations.
in a context of the pic. of >>756, 「スク水タイプ」can be translated as "school swimsuit edition".

「タイプ」=「型」⊃ "type"

P.S.
>>758
ive e-mail-ed to you.

760 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-07 18:13 ID:PfKGErMe

>>756
Does anyone have any information about the picture?

761 名前: 760 : 2007-02-07 18:18 ID:PfKGErMe

If someone tells it, I will willfully help you with any Japanese problem because I am Japanese.

762 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-07 19:08 ID:j3eV/7Pu

>>757,759
Ah, that cleared things up. Thanks, both of you!

>>760
It's from 少女インテリアのススメ. Mail me if you want an upload or something.

763 名前: 760 : 2007-02-07 20:45 ID:PfKGErMe

>>762
ありがとうございました!
I already found it uploaded on the net.
This is really great!

764 名前: Sling!XD/uSlingU : 2007-02-08 16:18 ID:I58LZoC9

Question:

Does the sentence
"このメーカーの続編もんには期待するな"
means:

  • Don't expect a sequel from this maker.

or

  • The sequel from this maker is expected, isn't it?

765 名前: 760 : 2007-02-09 03:23 ID:iHe6s0Bl

Most probably it means the former.
But the latter interpretation is fairly possible, especially in a colloquial expression. In this case the intonation of "な"is like a question's.
It depends on the context.
If it is "このメーカーの続編もんには期待するなあ",
only the latter is possible.

766 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-09 05:38 ID:Ip9i7yTC

Aを期待する <=> expect A
Aに期待する <=> expect something of A

so I think the sentence translates to:

Don't expect too much of a sequel from this maker.

Or have I misread the English sentence?

767 名前: 765 : 2007-02-09 12:14 ID:iHe6s0Bl

>>766
Your translation is right.
The sentence is not about whether a sequel comes or not, but about whether a sequel is good or not.
The difference between Aを期待する and Aに期待する seems to be correct. But we Japanese often use either in either meaning, probably with some carelessness.

768 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-09 13:50 ID:Heaven

>>766>>767
There is a difference between を and に. With を, the thing that comes before it bears little possibility of materialization. So what's expressed is more like hope than expectation or anticipation.

ゴジラの復活を期待する。
We are hopeful of Godzilla's return.
(fact: no more Godzilla movies planned.)

With に, the thing has been known to happen in the future certainly.

涼宮ハルヒのアメリカデビューに期待する。
We are looking forward to Haruhi Suzumiya's US debut.

769 名前: 766 : 2007-02-09 16:37 ID:Ip9i7yTC

>>768
I disagree. Both を and に are used regardless of whether the event is likely(expectation) or not(hope). Examples:

ここではみんな電車が時間通りに到着することを期待している。
Everyone here expects that trains arrive in time.
(The event is likely, but only を is possible here)

彼らのプロジェクトが成功することに期待するしかない。
All we can do is to hope that their project succeeds.
(This sentence is OK even under situations where the project is very unlikely to succeed)

The difference between を期待する and に期待する is whether one expects/hopes the event itself to happen, or expects/hopes some consequence/property of the event/person/thing. In the first example, people are expecting the event that trans arrive in time, not its consequences or something, and therefore only を is possible.

That is not to say that a choice between を and に is not affected by the event probability. If one believes that an event will certainly happen, then she is likely to be interested in the outcome of the event, not the event itself, thus に is common. On the other hand, if one thinks it is uncertain whether the event happens, it is more natural to hope that it happens.

Also, を期待する and に期待する are sometimes interchangeable, because a distinction between a hope for the event and a hope for its consequence is not always clear. The second example sentence above is one of the instances, where 彼らのプロジェクトが成功することを期待する means roughly the same thing.

>>767
I'm a Japanese too, btw.

770 名前: Sling!XD/uSlingU : 2007-02-10 18:27 ID:Heaven

So...
I assume from the above posts that the sentence translates in the end as "Don't expect too much quality from the sequel of this maker (which may or may not be coming in the future.)"
The な at the end is more likely to be a negation ない, rather than a questioning なあ.

771 名前: 765 : 2007-02-10 19:35 ID:zZi190hU

>>770
Right.
"続編もん" can never mean "coming of a sequel".
but if it is only "続編", it can mean "coming of a sequel" with を(orに)期待する。
For ない, the meaning is correct, but it can't replace the な.
>>768
>>769
I understand what you mean.
But

>ここではみんな電車が時間通りに到着することを期待している。
>Everyone here expects that trains arrive in time.

in this case, に seems to me still possible probably with, as I said, "some carelessness".
But do not believe me too much. I know little about Japanese grammar.
If I had time, I would try to search other instances as objective evidence...

772 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-11 01:06 ID:YlyqKI9O

I used your help a couple of times so far, thanks a lot for this :-)

I would need help for some more short sentences (jap->engl) but I don't like to post them all here (it's personal).
Would someone of you like to help me via email? (email above)

thanks for your time :-)

PS:
it's no x-rated contend... sorry... ;p

773 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-11 07:26 ID:NhjPYIMj

What should I do? E-mail you?

774 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-11 08:18 ID:YlyqKI9O

>>773

yes, please email me if you are interested so that I could send you a text

arigatou :-)

775 名前: jeff : 2007-02-15 00:48 ID:+T4wWTl9

"paper crane" 日本語で なん と いいますか? sorry, please use kana... I don't know very many kanji yet. thank you!

776 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-15 01:15 ID:cfAbv9++

paper crane
「折鶴(おりづる)」=ori-zuru(folded crane)

              i
      、        i!
      i,`ヽ、     i |
      i   丶、  ,i :|
       i;::,、-、`1 | .:|
      -'‐'"1i !、'i゛ヽ:;、__
       ヽ:::|| | /' _,、‐'" '`‐、
        ヽ|i!r'/       \
         W'" ̄''‐-、_.     \
                `''‐-―一

777 名前: 724 : 2007-02-15 06:44 ID:8LuXg3mv

This thread has so far been a LIFESAVER. Thank you so much to you Japanese guys/girls/wotas/whatever lurking around here and providing the invaluable help.

Here's another doujin-related question (sorry I haven't started that thread on alternate anime names yet...):

what is ハラシマ? I don't mean it as a surname, but I think it means "making (doujinshi)". An example sentence is ハラシマ中の皆さん、がんばれね!

Does it have anything to do with 原 from 原稿 being read as "hara"? Where does the "shima" come from?

Thanks in advance.

778 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-15 09:22 ID:zGvlDUnu

779 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-15 10:18 ID:8LuXg3mv

780 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-15 10:28 ID:Heaven

原稿=genkou=Manuscript
原縞=harashima=...?(no meaning, possible to read)

Mistake of kanji
warota.

781 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-16 06:28 ID:jZ7fZHd1

how would you translate figurative meaning of 盥回し?

782 名前: Sling!XD/uSlingU : 2007-02-16 21:02 ID:I58LZoC9

What means 半生 in relation to food?

半生麺 = half-life noodles?
Maybe: "Fresh noodles"?

783 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-16 23:47 ID:u7Z7IY8i

生 means raw.

784 名前: Sling!XD/uSlingU : 2007-02-17 00:09 ID:I58LZoC9

Half raw noodles??

786 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-17 00:19 ID:u7Z7IY8i

>>784
Maybe It means 'not dry'. Maybe it tastes like 生麺 and We can kepp it longer than 生麺.

787 名前: Sling!XD/uSlingU : 2007-02-17 03:26 ID:I58LZoC9

>>786 Okay, that makes sense. Thanks.

788 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-17 06:17 ID:UJQ+VIsa

my Japanese teacher says something like "kyo wa koredoushimasu" when class ends. what did he say exactly and what does it mean?

789 名前: !KQ/2H5PTKA : 2007-02-17 06:23 ID:Heaven

doo kangaete mo 「 kyoo wa kore de osimai desu。 」 daro、 zyoosiki-teki ni ……

790 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-17 06:29 ID:hjj5pwGZ

It depends on the situation.

How do you want to deal with this today?

791 名前: !KQ/2H5PTKA : 2007-02-17 06:31 ID:Heaven

どー かんがえて も  「 きょー ゎ これ で おしまい です。 」  だろ、  じょーしき = てき に …………

792 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-17 09:46 ID:hjj5pwGZ

>>788

789 insist that you misheard it.
Your teacher probably said,"kyo wa korede osimsideu"
that means "that's all for today"

793 名前: A Japanese : 2007-02-17 10:19 ID:ui7bbQlW

>>788
I agree with >>789 because the teacher says it when class ends.
The last part should be "oshimai desu" or "oshimai ni shimasu."

"oshimai desu" = it ends.
"oshimai ni shimasu" = I (will) put an end on it.

What he meant was "Today's lesson is over" or "I end today's lesson now."

I guess the most difficult part to non Japanese speakers is "Kyou wa." Maybe it seems gramatically incorrect but it's okay.

"Kyou" is no proble. It's just a noun, "today."
The particle "wa" (written as は) is a little troublesome.

"Kyou wa" can mean
(1) "Kyou (today)" is a subject. "Today is..."
(2) "Kyou (today)" is a condition. "As for today's matter/case/activity etc. ..."

The second usage is very common.

And "kore" means "this."
So, a word for word translation of "Kyou wa korede oshimai desu" is:
"As for today's lesson, it ends at this point."

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By the way, as >>790 write, "kore dou shimasu" means "How do you want to deal with this?" For example, suppose you go to your office and find a heap of towering documents on a desk, you would ask your boss, "Kore dou shimasu? (What should I/we/you deal with this?)"

But I guess this pharse is usually used before you start something, not when you end something.

794 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-17 11:52 ID:Heaven

793 is professer

795 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-17 13:22 ID:Heaven

今日はこれで御仕舞いです。

796 名前: jeff : 2007-02-18 23:14 ID:+T4wWTl9

Hello, I have another question, and the answer might not be straightforward because Japanese grammar is nothing like English grammar.

How would I use a question word in a sentence that isn't a question? For example:

"What did he tell you?" "What he told me was good."
or, "Why did you go to the mall?" "I don't know why I went to the mall."

In both examples, the second sentence uses a question word to help answer the question, but the question word isn't used to ask the question.

How would I say these sentences in Japanese? Thanks!

797 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-19 02:08 ID:T9xKeAD+

I'm no expert at the language (far from it), but I'll try.

"What he told me was good."
I'd say as "The thing he told me was good".

彼に聞いた事がいいです。
kare ni kiita koto ga ii desu.

"I don't know why I went to the mall."
This one's more like "I don't know the reason I went to the mall".
モールに行ったのは分かりません。
mo-ru ni itta no wa wakarimasen.

Maybe those more knowledgeable can fix my poor attempts.

798 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-19 02:24 ID:hGYjWfUA

What does タチが悪い or タチの悪い mean?

799 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-19 06:53 ID:UI+A0h82

「 tacyi ga warui 」

   kore wa aite no seesicu o arawasu hyoogen。  kono baai no  「 aite 」  wa mono demo hito demo kamawanai。
   「 tekozuraserareru seesucu 」  no koto o arawaru hyoogen。
   「 tacyi 」  wa  「 seesicu 」 「 seekaku 」  to yuu imi no hurui Nippon Kotoba。  「 otonasii tacyi no hito 」 nado、  iroiro ni cukawareru。

800 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-19 07:17 ID:UI+A0h82

   I'm no expert at the language (far from it), but I'll try.

          *

   "Why did you go to the mall?"
   「 nande omae wa ano mooru ni itta no ? 」
   「 なんで おまえ ゎ あの もーる に いった の? 」

   "I don't know why I went to the mall."
   「 nande watasi wa ano mooru ni itta ka zibun demo wakaranai。」
   「 なんで わたし ゎ あの もーる に いった か じぶん でも わからない。」

801 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-19 07:22 ID:Heaven

>>796
(I'm a native speaker, but not a grammar expert)
I can think of two ways of saying such things. The first is, as >>797 pointed out, to rewrite the sentence using a relative clause before translating it.

The thing he told me was interesting.
彼が言っていたことは面白かったです。
(By the way, I replaced "good" with "interesting" because I don't know what "What he told me was good." means)

I don't know the reason why I went to the mall.
私がモールに行った理由は分かりません。

The second way is to embed the question into the sentence. If X is a question ending with か, X in a sentence means "the answer to the question X"

I don't know the answer to the question "why do I went to the mall?"
なぜ私がモールに行ったかは分かりません。

This sounds a bit more natural than the previous sentence, but you can't apply this method to the first example.

何を彼に聞いたかは面白かったです。

is meaningless, just as

The answer to the question "What did he tell me?" was interesting.

802 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-19 07:35 ID:Heaven

>>798
Evil, bad, or difficult to handle. My dictionary says "nasty".

803 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-19 07:40 ID:UI+A0h82

「 たち が わるい 」

   これ ゎ あいて の せーしつ ぉ あらわす ひょーげん。  この ばーい の  「 あいて 」

ゎ もの でも ひと でも かまわない。

   「 てこずらせられる せーしつ 」  の こと ぉ あらわす ひょーげん。

   「 たち 」  ゎ  「 せーしつ 」 「 せーかく 」  と ゆー いみ の ふるい ニッポン 

コトバ。  「 おとなしー たち の ひと 」  など、  いろいろ に つかわれる。

804 名前: A Japanese : 2007-02-19 08:39 ID:M0cZHizZ

>>769
"What he told me was good."

I guess this "what" is a pronoun that means "the thing/fact which..."
Japanese usually say "こと koto," which is kind of a general-purpose pronoun.

What he told me = 彼が 私に 言った こと (kare ga watashi ni itta koto)
What she did = 彼女が やった こと (kanojo ga yatta koto)

The phrases placed before こと are assumed as adjective parts. So "kare ga watashi ni itta koto" forms a noun clause, thus you can use this part as a subject.

A word for word translatin of "what he told me was good" is "彼が 私に いったことは よかった."
This translation is gramatically correct and understandable but sounds somewhat strange because the adjective "よい" (good) is usally (not always) used before noun. Japanese says "彼は 私に よいことを いった (He told me a good thing)." However, "彼が 私に いったことは 正しかった (What he told me was right/correct/true)." is no problem.

"こと" is used to refer to an abstract, an idea, or a fact. If you refer to a physical object such as a book, a building, an animal, you can use "もの mono" (thing/object).

Example.
"What he bought (the thing he bought) was very expensive."
= 彼が 買った もの は とても 高価 だった.

"こと" and "もの" are sometimes interchangable.
"What the novelist wrote"
= その小説家が 書いた こと/もの
In this case, while こと tends to mean the storyline or the idea the novelist wrote, もの means the book. But the difference between them is not clear.

805 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-19 12:05 ID:Heaven

東海岸と西海岸どっちのほうがオタク多いの?

806 名前: jeff : 2007-02-19 13:56 ID:+T4wWTl9

Thank you everyone for the responses. I understand a little better, now.

>>804

So pretty much anything before "こと" or "もの" turns into a noun phrase?

And, what verb tense are you using? I've only been studying for 5 months and I don't recognize it :)

807 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-19 14:19 ID:Heaven

いった/やった/ -> Past tense

808 名前: 804 : 2007-02-19 18:50 ID:hiuGW1Pz

>>806

> So pretty much anything before "こと" or "もの" turns into a noun phrase?

I think it's safe to say so. (But you sometimes need to insert few other words between the phrase and こと or もの.)

And いった and やった are the past tense of いう(say) and やる(do).
The particle "た ta" is uses to make the past tense. It is like the English suffix "-ed" added to regular English verbs.

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(This is kind of off topic.)

Strictly speaking, "た" is a marker which indicates that the action had/has/will have been done before a certain point. So, "た" does not always means a past action. If the certain point is not told, it is assumed to be "now," thus "た" means an action before now.

"こと" can be added at the last part of a sentence to emphasize the speaker's feelings.
Example
それは たいへんです。
それは たいへんなこと です。
それは たいへんです こと。
The first two examples simply mean "That's terrible" or "That's a terrible thing." But the last one hints that the speaker may be indifferent, irritated or teasing. (It depends on the situation.)

809 名前: jeff : 2007-02-19 23:39 ID:+T4wWTl9

I was taught that the past tense was something like this:
"かいます", "かいました", "かいませんでした" for all verbs, adjectives using です are different depending on the adjective.

is what you're using a less formal past tense form?

810 名前: 804 : 2007-02-20 02:04 ID:sly7s6pF

"かう" itself just means "buy", which is neither formal nor informal. "ます" is an auxiliary verb used to express politeness, which is usually placed after the last verb.

Example:
わたしは ほんを かう. (I buy a book.)
わたしは ほんを かいます. (Same as above but more polite)
わたしは ほんを かった. (I bought a book.)
わたしは ほんを かいました. (Same as above but more polite)

"かい" is a variation of the verb "かう." When "かう" is followed by a particle or an auxiliary verb, its form changes to "かい." And like you said, "かいます" is politer.

A simple sentence has only one verb, so just adding "ます" to the verb is all right.

When you make a noun clause, you don't need to add "ます" to the verb in the clause.

Example:
わたしが かった ほんは、きょう ここに き ます.
The book I bought comes here today.

Here, "き" is a variation of the verb "くる (come)."
"きます" (くる + ます) is a politer way of saying "くる" and Japanese usually use this form when speaking.

But you don't need to say "わたしが かいました ほんは..." (I think it's maybe okay but somewhat awkward.)

811 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-21 01:53 ID:doIKYiFB

>>809

I think that there is a problem with the way Japanese tends to be taught to non-native speakers - it seems like everyone gets the standard polite form first, even though that's not the way native speakers learn it! It does make the grammar more difficult to understand, at least in my opinion, all for the sake of being able to have an occasional simple conversation in Japanese sooner.

812 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-21 13:00 ID:/rt8kK3B

>>811
One of my korean friends always tries to speak some Japanese, and what he said to me is "私は変態です" and "我が輩は天才です. I don't know how he came up with those words, but I guess it is quite difficult to learn how the end of sentences change (in this case "です"). Japanese language contains lots of complex grammer and exceptions, so in order to learn it easily they need to study the simplest form first.

*"私は変態です"(わたしは へんたい です--watashi ha hentai desu) means I am perverted. Sorry.
*"我が輩は天才です"(わがはいは てんさい です--wagahai ha tensai desu) means I am genius. "我が輩" is an arrogant way of saying "I", and today not many people use it, unless jocularly.

813 名前: 804 : 2007-02-21 23:16 ID:IG0Mbxuo

In my opinion, teaching polite way of speaking first is safer and more practical. I wrote that "わたしが かいました ほん..." sounds a bit awkward. However, I'm sure no one would think the speaker is rude or offensive. It is still polite and acceptable. So, I don't think the teacher who teaches jeff is wrong.

(If it is not a conversation but a writing class, I say the gramatical correctness should be more important, though. Anyway, it's impossible to study everything at once.)

814 名前: jeff : 2007-02-22 03:23 ID:+T4wWTl9

well it is pretty much a half conversation half writing class. I'm only in my second semester of learning Japanese so there is probably a lot more to learn about technical grammar which will be revealed later.

815 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-22 22:16 ID:NhjPYIMj

>>814
It might be the first step in the right direction to learn about grammar, but after one has some knowledge on it, he should start to actually use it and construct sentences.

In this point, the English education system in Japan is (was) wrong. All the efforts put into studying English focus on English-Japanese translations. Instead of that, Japan should better have students write what they want to convey in English,
IMO.

Well, Japanese grammar again. I think 敬語(keigo) is the toughest part to learn. It's used to pay respect to the person one talks to.

816 名前: jeff : 2007-02-23 02:55 ID:+T4wWTl9

Hello all, another simple question

I hear this word often, I'm not sure what it means because it's hard to hear each syllable and so i can't look it up. It sounds something like "dasukedo". Any help on this? Thank you.

817 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-23 06:57 ID:T9xKeAD+

Maybe "da kedo"? "desu kedo"?
Both of those would mean "it's (something), but..."

And "kedo" being a shortened form of "keredomo".

818 名前: Densha : 2007-02-23 10:20 ID:zytQ54q2

what's ba gai ya lo?

819 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-23 19:51 ID:NhjPYIMj

>>818
Are you sure it's Japanese? A quick search on the google engine
told me the pronunciation of "ba gai ya lo" was how Chinese and Taiwanese people say "馬鹿野郎". In Japanese, it's usually pronounced as "ba ka ya ro".
It means "idiot" in English.

I hope this helps.

820 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-24 04:05 ID:W1SEaplP

>>819 Thanks mate :)

821 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-24 06:55 ID:8LuXg3mv

What's a よろずサイト? Does it refer to a general fansite? (i.e. one that does not focus only on one specific series)?

822 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-24 21:01 ID:NhjPYIMj

>>821
よろず means "millions of" something. If it's よろず屋(屋 is "shop" or "store"), that means a shop that deals with a wide range of commodities and products. In this case, I believe, the website deals with a lot of topics.
We can't tell from the name よろずサイト whether the site deals with "milions of" what until we actually pay a visit to it, although I'm assuming from your question the website offers lots of topics for fans of some Managas or something.

I hope this helps.

823 名前: 821 : 2007-02-25 07:23 ID:Heaven

Ok, thanks. Yeah, I think it means a site that deals with a range of anime/manga fandoms, not any particular one. I don't want to link to the site but anyway I see it on quite a number of places. For example tehre might be a particular anime they have a 分館 for but their 本館 - main site - would be a よろずサイト and feature a number of things like BASARA and Tales of Abyss and so on.

Thanks once again.

824 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-26 03:01 ID:5ltdfRa5

"the the"とか"a the"のような冠詞の並び方を時々見かけるんだけど、これってただの書き間違いだよね?
1: the xxx (先ずはxxxについて書こうと思い立つ)
2: the (xxxを消してoooを書こうと心変え)
3: the the ooo ("the the"が出来上がる)
みたいな感じで出来たんだと思うんだけど。

例: "..." more details will follow in the the appropriate chapters "..."
もっと深い意味が含まれているなら、教えてください。

ついでに言うと"thought"であるべき場所に"though"があったりする文章にも出くわすんだけど、これも書き間違いだよね?
例: Here are some photos I though were seriouly cool.

"t"がないとすごく居心地が悪いんだけど、英語を母語にする人もこういう間違いをするものなのですか?

825 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-26 06:04 ID:Heaven

両方は書き間違い、って言うか、正しくない。

826 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-02-26 08:31 ID:Heaven

>>825
ありがとうございます!
ただ、日本語が辛かったなら、英語で説明してくれたのでも構わなかったよ

827 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-03-01 03:16 ID:Heaven

書き間違いはともかく
なんか最近の英語は…何ていうか、すごいよな

828 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-03-01 06:19 ID:R0/TUaBY

いや、
日本語だってかなり適当だろ。
文法ガチガチの日本語なんて普通しゃべらねぇよ。

なんつーか・・・・
言語ってそんなもんでしょ?ネイティブでもわかって無いよ本当。

829 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-03-01 14:00 ID:Heaven

>>744

Big brother! Big brother! Yes!
(Loudly, loudly, loudly!)

Big brother! Big brother! Yes!
(Loudly, loudly, loudly!)

Big brother! x 6
Yeees! (Loudly!)

For a moment close to midnight
(Yes! Yes! Yes!)
I can't forget the dirty things me and him were doing,
(Yes! Yes! Yes!)
his balls loaded, eyes shut,
(Yes! Yes! Yes!)
and I recall the mischievous fingertips.
(Yes! Yes! Yes!)

I love it. (The (fore)skin...)
Covering his penis (Let's peel it back...)
I clenched intensely, (Hey...)
wiping it ereeect. (Go!)

(Loudly!)

"Fellatio"! (Do you like it?)
...to make the "semen"! (...to drink.)
I'm disturbed and ashamed (a little)
but my big brother says that it's okay. (Oh my!)

Big brother! Big brother! Yes!
(Loudly, loudly, loudly!)

Big brother! Big brother! Yes!
(Loudly, loudly, loudly!)

If he feels embarrassed with his morning erection
(Yes! Yes! Yes!)
I'm his favorite titty-fuck,
(Yes! Yes! Yes!)
rubbing the large tip of his penis between my nipples
(Yes! Yes! Yes!)
and cover his cute shaft with my saliva.
(Yes! Yes! Yes!)

I love it. (He moooans!)
"Patience soup" (I like it.)
seems to leak (and therefore,)
it is given to me. (Huh! Big brother is hanging down.)

Louder!

Milk (or more like mashed beans)
is in my face. (It is thick.)
It looks like it's unpleasant (a bit).
Big brother, are you okay?
(Let's go!)

830 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-03-01 14:30 ID:xrkqIjrq

>>827
英語の歴史を調べてみれば、もっともっと驚くと思いますよ。

831 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-03-04 15:46 ID:Heaven

What does デコ助 mean? Maybe it's a variation of でこ坊?

832 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2007-03-04 23:26 ID:EBKTooRv

>>831
Maybe it's just a nickname and you're right. "すけ(助)" is a typical suffix for old-fashioned male names.

833 名前: champion : 2007-03-05 05:05 ID:IeWT5U7s

what does "Fighto-oh!" mean?

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