Hikikomori--->no future for me (116)

1 Name: Loser : 2007-08-13 09:59 ID:dVc7ByeB

I know there are several threads before, so this keeps repeating, sorry for that^^.

Well after highschool (bad grades), i have been staying at home doing nothing. Just watching TV and go to the PC (Animes and mangas :)) to kill off time.
I have no interests in anything i think and also no skill in any subject. In High school i was always alone and had no friends.
Hahaha, i think there were some girls who were interested in me(only reason would be that i not that bad-looking ;)) , but i just ignored them.
My woman of dream would be a person similar to the girls/women in mangas/animes.
They look so perfectly beautiful. I can't imagine women exists in reality, so one thing is for sure. That i will stay a loner for me rest of my life( very hort one hopefully).
Even if there were such women, they won't get into contact with low-lifes like me. I wish i would be a character from a manga/anime.
So you can call me a loser or whatever :(

6 months have already past by now since i was going out of the arpartement.

It is just a matter of time, when my parents will kick me out.

For me there is no future.

I mean i wished like in the anime/manga NHK, there would be a woman beautiful and nice as Misaki, who would try to help me.
But this is just my imagination.

So i keep dreaming.

There are several option how i end up:

  1. I will end it myself (the pathethic life)

2.Being kicked out, nowhere to go nothing to eat, just starving or freezing to death

3. A miracle will happen, thus turning my life completely

options 1+2 -------> chances are about 99.99999%
option 3 ----------> almost 0 :((

Well there is story about a miracle of an otaku i think.

Densha otoku it is called. But such a thing would never happen to me, i don't want them to happen, cause it requires a person in danger!

I know i am a stupid pathethic moron with no life etc.
But can't help it.

67 Name: Loser : 2007-08-19 13:26 ID:SOY/mfzo

>>66

What are you doing all day long?
Also watching animes and reading mangas like me?^^

68 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-19 13:30 ID:Heaven

>>65

>So telling someone with low-intelligence seomthing absurd and deluding them is the right thing to do? -.-

It's up for debate, but since that's what everyone, like every other multinational firm, is doing anyway it's pretty much usual just to take it as a norm. What I meant was someone who claims himself as stupid should not be calling others stupid as well, it's just, well, really stupid.

>I mean how much percentage of people do have an IQ over 140/150 (although i do not fully agree to those tests) ?

Most people worldwide don't even have a 100-110, 140 to 150 would make you a genius. You really need to stop contradicting yourself.

69 Name: Loser : 2007-08-19 14:29 ID:SOY/mfzo

>>68
I didn't write that i would have an IQ of 140-150 ;)

But i do not take those IQ-tests too seriously, since with over-freetime xD... -.- ,i have been surfing around and doing those free tests.
One can quikly adapt to these tests, due to their same patterns of tasks. So scoring over 130 is not that big deal.

However i know this is contradicting myself, because in school i have realized that i am someone who hasn't got the potential for a high intelligence.
Therefore i also question those tests....

I mean IF you are able to convert these posed tasks into the allday situations, than you are really intelligent.
But just marking some boxes, where you acutally have a chance in just being lucky, does not have that high significance in my view.

However i am pretty curious about what the SIX are doing.
I mean there are 6 persons in the world who got an IQ over 190.....^^

70 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-19 15:00 ID:Heaven

>>69
Online IQ tests aren't the actual tests, they do nothing to measure intelligence. For an average guy like me I scored a 139 on my first try when I was 13 anyway, so much for validity huh?

You are right about having a high IQ does not mean being good in everyday situations, there's no actual way to measure intelligence anyway. For one, IQ tests would lean towards measuring a person's logical skills rather than, say, high musical creativity. To quote from Mensa:

>There is simply no one prevailing characteristic of Mensa members other than high IQ. There are Mensans for whom Mensa provides a sense of family, and others for whom it is a casual social activity. There have been many marriages made in Mensa, but for many people, it is simply a stimulating opportunity for the mind. Most Mensans have a good sense of humor, and they like to talk. And, usually, they have a lot to say.

Mensans range in age from 4 to 94, but most are between 20 and 60. In education they range from preschoolers to high school dropouts to people with multiple doctorates. There are Mensans on welfare and Mensans who are millionaires. As far as occupations, the range is staggering. Mensa has professors and truck drivers, scientists and firefighters, computer programmers and farmers, artists, military people, musicians, laborers, police officers, glassblowers--the diverse list goes on and on. There are famous Mensans and prize-winning Mensans, but there are many whose names you wouldn't know.

71 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-19 17:53 ID:/sKWt5rd

On IQ: I made straight A's as a child up until high school and was miserable. I took the IQ test with my psychologist at 13 and made a 121. That's above average for an adult, so I was considered smart.

I was very unhappy at this time, as I could not relate to any of the people around me who seemed very unintelligent and belittling. Their rude comments made no logical sense, but they still hurt. I didn't know how to present myself to them, so I just cried every day and went off by myself. My parents organized summer day camps for me to attend, but other than that, I never left the house. I didn't have any friends, so I never talked on the phone. I watched some of the anime they were showing on Cartoon Network at the time, and pressured my parents into getting a computer and the internet. This was my time closest to being what is known as a hikkikomori, I think.

It wasn't until high school, when I met some people by chance at a local geek store and was thereby peer-pressured into joining their anime club that I started to be happy. I stopped trying to get good grades, as I realized how stupid the educational system is in the first place, and just hung out with the club members all the time. I was happy for the first time in my life.

If IQ is a measure of how smart a person is, I think it may also be a measure of one's potential for unhappiness... That is because the majority of the world is not going to have a high IQ. Somehow, most of the people in the anime club were very intelligent and the ones that weren't were very loud and engaging, so even one like myself could relate to them.

On suicide: When I was little and I heard that suicide was illegal, I thought this was very stupid. "If someone wants to die, then why stop them from doing it?" My mother told me that it is illegal for the same reason that people hold funerals. Funerals are not held for the dead. What do the dead care what we do with their bodies after they are gone? Funerals are for the people left behind in the wake of that person's death. If someone kills themselves, they've made it necessary for a funeral to be held. They've made it necessary for their parents and friends to mourn their loss. Suicide only spreads around the pain one feels as an individual and diverts it to all the people who loved that person.

Moreover, then there are all the people that person might have met one day, had they kept living. They might have saved someone's life one day. They might have become friends with someone else who was thinking about suicide, and that might have been what saved them from doing the same thing. In that way, suicide might be considered preventative of growth in society, which is why society makes suicide illegal.

I thought of it often when I was younger... I wanted to step in front of the trolley bus as it passed. It'd be a big death that everyone noticed. This was my selfishness -- that kind of a death would cause problems for many people! Not only loved ones, but those who had to see my mangled body, those who had to clean it up, the trolley company, who would probably be sued, etc. Suicide is really selfish. I know that now.

72 Name: Loser : 2007-08-19 18:34 ID:SOY/mfzo

>>71 I would go out of the world and even nobody will notice it!

Since i would choose a very quiet place without any people!

I am not that dumb that i will just jump infront of a train to cause an uproar or something similar.
I have always been a shadow ;) When i didn't go to school for 2or3 days nobody even noticed it.
The only people i know are my parents. And my relation to them is not that good but the contrary. It is just a matter of time (imo soon) when they don't support me anymore, and i will get kicked out....xD
So nothing wrong with disappearing. It is rather so that i have never existed.

You say suicide would cause problems? Then you are wrong and have given it enough of a thought ;)

Those companies, with their employees, what would they do if the suicide-rate would drop to zero?
Right, they would be wihtout a job then!
WHat if they got a family?
This is quite absurd, but this is the reality of our society.

SO please don't just look on the one side of a medall.

Even if wars for example are somthing the majority detests, without them, whole industries would be gone and many many people without any jobs.
Without war, there would be no rebuilding, nothing just way to more and more of a stagnation.

Please rethink the topic of suicide being selfish!

73 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-19 20:30 ID:VYGNycSb

This thread depresses me. ;;

74 Name: Loser : 2007-08-19 22:29 ID:SOY/mfzo

So sorry to tell the other part of "reality" ;(

75 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-20 00:22 ID:VYGNycSb

>>74

Bah, I think your depriving yourself of more than you know.
I'm looking out my window at the twilight sky right now, and even though I'm a loser and stuck in my room, I'm really glad I'm alive. There's freedom in that. I can dream about the future when I'm alive, and I can enjoy the little things that keep me going.

Yet I'm not much different than you.

76 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-20 09:31 ID:Heaven

>>72

>Those companies, with their employees, what would they do if the suicide-rate would drop to zero?

Right, they would be wihtout a job then!

That is absurd, you assume the number of job positions remain the same forever? Companies grow and create job opportunities, new businesses equal more jobs. Suicide does not solve unemployment, there are more graduates than there are suicides.

>Even if wars for example are somthing the majority detests, without them, whole industries would be gone and many many people without any jobs.

Without war, there would be no rebuilding, nothing just way to more and more of a stagnation.

You are clearly delusional. Without wars there will still be a military, no jobs are being lost. War does not always equal rebuilding, it's people's effort that equals progress.

The only good thing to come out of suicide is less depressed and unproductive people, so yes, it isn't so selfish if that's the case, but as long as the action of suicide hurts or deprives someone else personally of emotional or any other consequences, it amounts to selfishness. If you really have to do it, just don't leave a mess for someone to clean it up, do it privately.

77 Name: Loser : 2007-08-20 10:32 ID:bSHSR/LG

>>76 Lol you try to find some excuses to counter my arguements.
But you fail ;(

>"Right, they would be wihtout a job then!

That is absurd, you assume the number of job positions remain the same forever? Companies grow and create job opportunities, new businesses equal more jobs. Suicide does not solve unemployment, there are more graduates than there are suicides."

So what? You, and all the others always say the negatice things about "suicide" I showed a different side to it.
It is still a matter of fact that if the suicide rates drop to zero, there will be many employees who become unemployed.
You can't talk yourself out of this!
Of course suicides don't solve unemployment in general. I have never said that!

>"You are clearly delusional. Without wars there will still be a military, no jobs are being lost. War does not always equal rebuilding, it's people's effort that equals progress."

Lol, again another fail attempt!
So what? MIlitary? Seriously? Without any war the expenses for the military will be cut down drastically!
Your statement that no job will be lost just made me laugh!

War does not always equal rebuilding.......so gave the answer youself. Of course if there are people who destruct, there will be also people who rebuild!

>"The only good thing to come out of suicide is less depressed and unproductive people, so yes, it isn't so selfish if that's the case, but as long as the action of suicide hurts or deprives someone else personally of emotional or any other consequences, it amounts to selfishness. If you really have to do it, just don't leave a mess for someone to clean it up, do it privately."

This your only good statement in your post ;)

But somehow it is still not the time for (but soon)

I still hope an "angel will descend from the sky to turn the tables and somehow gift me with the intelligence and power
neseccary.
Or atleast let some miracle happen^^.

78 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-20 11:06 ID:Heaven

>>77

>So what? You, and all the others always say the negatice things about "suicide" I showed a different side to it.

It is still a matter of fact that if the suicide rates drop to zero, there will be many employees who become unemployed.
You can't talk yourself out of this!
Of course suicides don't solve unemployment in general. I have never said that!

Give me some statistics before pulling shit up your ass. Oh wait, you don't need to, any reasonable person would know number of graduates/number of open job positions>number of suicides, the number of people who fill in the jobs of previous suicides is so insignificant versus the number of new job opportunities created.

What's your point anyway? Suicide equals more jobs? What about jobless people who kill themselves? How many actual people with jobs kill themselves and leave the position open for another person to fill in?

Being an undergraduate in sociology, I can't see the relation between suicide and unemployment. I think Durkheim would be rolling in his grave right now.

>Lol, again another fail attempt!

So what? MIlitary? Seriously? Without any war the expenses for the military will be cut down drastically!
Your statement that no job will be lost just made me laugh!

You are assuming we are at war in the first place then obtaining peace. But going by the topic, I took the assumption that we are at peace (hello, no war), thus no jobs lost. Please conduct some thinking before challenging my argument.

>War does not always equal rebuilding.......so gave the answer youself. Of course if there are people who destruct, there will be also people who rebuild!

So do we need to wage wars then for the sake of rebuilding? Because you are implying that it is.

>This your only good statement in your post ;)
>But somehow it is still not the time for (but soon)
>I still hope an "angel will descend from the sky to turn the tables and somehow gift me with the intelligence and power

neseccary.

>Or atleast let some miracle happen^^.

Nothing will happen, reality is at it is. The only thing you can do is change yourself. Even if an angel is there waiting, I don't think she will be willing to help someone who does not even take the first step to help themselves in the first place. You took no initiative at taking the first step, you merely jump to conclusions before you do it. You, sir, do not deserve help.

79 Name: Loser : 2007-08-20 11:32 ID:bSHSR/LG

>"You are assuming we are at war in the first place then obtaining peace. But going by the topic, I took the assumption that we are at peace (hello, no war), thus no jobs lost. Please conduct some thinking before challenging my argument."

LOL, i am assuming that there will be always peace and no war at all.
And your "argument" fails again!

No war? Are you that blind-folded? Look at the news man.
Of course it is not like a total war, or like a all over the country war.
What about the armaments industry?Look for example at the expensenses of USA.
If we (Humankind) don't have war at all in the future, where will be the military and the whole industry behind it do?-.-
Challenging your "arguement"? YOu have none to begin with!

>"So do we need to wage wars then for the sake of rebuilding? Because you are implying that it is."

No, but this is the thinking of some other (powerful) persons in the world!
Rebuilding -> Iraq ?
At least this is what the superficial arguement is.^^

>"Nothing will happen, reality is at it is. The only thing you can do is change yourself. Even if an angel is there waiting, I don't think she will be willing to help someone who does not even take the first step to help themselves in the first place. You took no initiative at taking the first step, you merely jump to conclusions before you do it. You, sir, do not deserve help."

Change myself? Are we that far in technology already?
Changing myself means for me to change my GENES!
Thanks for your conduction that i don't deserve any help.
Like i said the angel need not help me in the meaning of someone who accompanies me.
I just need "her" to change my GENES. This is a "one-time-help"

>"Being an undergraduate in sociology, I can't see the relation between suicide and unemployment. I think Durkheim would be rolling in his grave right now."

You don't need to jump into fast conclusions either!
No relation between suicide and unemployment at all?

So you say their is no reaction to action?
Of course it is insignificant in terms of the number.
But still it is a fact that when someone who is not needed anymore for a vanished reason, that he will lose his job.
Yeah of course, probably he finds a new job due to the fact that besides the dead people from suicdes there are mostly other reasons for death.

But don't underestimate the number of "suicides" worldwide.

80 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-20 13:09 ID:MNEBaqlY

If you have a fully functioning body, not even necessarily an athletic one, and enough intelligence to type these things on the internet, how can you say you need to change on the genetic level? What needs to change is your attitude towards the outside world. If you were to honestly open up to yourself, you'd see that just waiting around for an angel is not going to change anything. Rather, try to see all the angels around you. Society might be a big, daunting, evil monster, but there are still kind people around. Instead of looking at THE WORLD, try looking at smaller things. If you just see the suffering of the world on a large scale, of course you'll get discouraged.

Maybe right now no one would notice if you died. Have you noticed that there are a lot of people on this board trying to keep you alive, though? You can't touch us physically, and no one would tell us if you died, but if the internet is a catalyst of society, how can you say there is no angel in your life right now?

Life isn't perfect, like in mangas, but there are still things that make it worth living if you allow yourself to experience them. You have to put out the initiative and find them, though. No one can do that for you. No one can make you believe that you are good enough. That is something you have to discover for yourself. The rush of happiness you feel for the characters in your mangas means that you still have hope, but you're hoping for everything to be done for you. You need to find something you get that rush from actually doing. Even if it's just something like playing video games, that's good enough. You just need to feel something good sometimes.

81 Name: Loser : 2007-08-20 13:33 ID:bSHSR/LG

>>80 thanks for your encouraging post ;)

>"If you just see the suffering of the world on a large scale, of course you'll get discouraged."

I know this, but should you live blind-folded?

Perhaps i just want to be "perfect", therefore the need of changing my DNA, the construction plan, to be able to become someone/something powerful enough like a GOD to change the current world completely!

And also it is the nature of anything/anyone to seek for perfection.

(Anyways i will check out this board again in 2-3hours.
Need to eat something and need to watch some new animes^^)

82 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-20 13:49 ID:MNEBaqlY

> I know this, but should you live blind-folded?

I was once asked, "Would you rather be right, or be happy?" The same person asked me, "Would you rather have infinite knowledge, or infinite happiness?" Each time I said I would rather be happy. I think, rather than knowledge, power, or the pride of always being right in one's beliefs, it is most wise to choose happiness. At the end of the day, all that matters is that you can smile. If you can smile, maybe you can make someone else smile. In this small way, the world can change for the better.

If you need to turn away from the plight of the world in order to have a happy life, I don't think this is wrong. It doesn't take away from your productivity; in fact, in light of how _un_productive you currently are to society, happiness might improve your worth to the world. As I said before, something as simple as a smile can change the world, even if you don't see it happening on a larger scale.

83 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-20 15:51 ID:Heaven

>No war? Are you that blind-folded? Look at the news man.

Of course it is not like a total war, or like a all over the country war.
What about the armaments industry?Look for example at the expensenses of USA.
If we (Humankind) don't have war at all in the future, where will be the military and the whole industry behind it do?-.-
Challenging your "arguement"? YOu have none to begin with!

All arguments are based on assumptions, for mine I am assuming a world with no conflict but the military will always remain. You do notice all nations except a few are not currently engaging in war do you? Why do they need their military then? Why do we even stockpile nuclear weapons? It's all mainly for deterrence.

>No, but this is the thinking of some other (powerful) persons in the world!

Rebuilding -> Iraq ?
At least this is what the superficial arguement is.^^

Ever wondered why the majority hates the Bush administration? Ever bothered to read what the Iraqis had to say instead of listening to media bullshit? You can start with this: http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
People like her live through shit everyday and yet they strive on, and what does people like you and me do? We sit around and argue over the internet, except that I see a bright future ahead of me and you see nothing but despair.

>Change myself? Are we that far in technology already?

Changing myself means for me to change my GENES!
Thanks for your conduction that i don't deserve any help.
Like i said the angel need not help me in the meaning of someone who accompanies me.
I just need "her" to change my GENES. This is a "one-time-help"

Blaming genetics or your dad or your mum for your own failure is the most retarded thing a person can do, even cripples and retarded people don't do that. Instead, change your attitude, you yourself is the only thing to blame for your own faults. Only you can help yourself.

>No relation between suicide and unemployment at all?

The number of suicide creating job opportunities is too insignificant to be even used as a viable reason to explain unemployment, that's my main point. Trust me, if it is of any relevance at all, it surely won't be up to some hikki to discover it.

84 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-20 16:03 ID:0j1EvC6f

Don't worry too much, you're probably a cool person... the types that had no friends and were always alone in highschool more often that not are really unique people with interesting minds.
You'll probably develop interests in things other than manga/anime as time goes by.
Why don't you take things one step at a time... make yourself go have coffee at a cafe once a fortnight, or something to start out.
I've met a few women in my time who I thought belonged in some manga or anime... not many, but there out there.

>>82

I find those questions interesting. Whether or not to turn away from the plight of the world in order to live a happy life... I don't think it's wrong to do that either, but I do think it's a bad idea if you're strong enough not to. After doing something like that, i'm sure my pride and sense of self worth would be forever horribly damaged. And the world needs people who are trying to change it for the better, or even just caring, sooo badly.

85 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-20 16:16 ID:z5xOISGz

You say you want a girlfriend but she HAS to be like that from from anime/manga. SPOILER: anime/manga is a fictional story not an accurate representation of reality. You need to understand this. If you will not for a moment consider a girl who doesn't like anime/manga than you are doomed. I tried to help out earlier but you insist on this rigid dogma you have built around the perfect anime/manga girl.

Most attractive girls are not interested in anime/manga. It is viewed at as a geeky/dorky hobby which it is in a way. You are essentially reading comic books and watching cartoons to oversimplify it.

I recommend everyone in the thread to not bring up anything that jumps into a huge philosophical/off-topic debate like war or philosophy on suicide.

86 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-20 16:38 ID:MNEBaqlY

>I recommend everyone in the thread to not bring up anything that jumps into a huge philosophical/off-topic debate like war or philosophy on suicide.

The big problem here is that >>1-san's problem ties in with his views of society! Our society is not perfect, and this is what is one of the major things that draws people away from it! In these days when people have fantasy worlds at their fingertips and it is possible to make money by typing things into a computer, there is seemingly no reason to step outside into the chaos portrayed on the news.

Apart from that, there's the issue of the difficulty of relating to other people in the social web of the outside world, where one is judged for much more than the sum of one's ideas, as on the internet. Why would these people wish to step outside when in the past, all they have recieved from the outside world is pain and misunderstanding?

The big point is that the world IS imperfect, but there are also many beautiful things that cannot happen if you do not try to participate in it a little. Interpersonal relationships are one of if not the most rewarding things in the world. Working and making money to support oneself gives one a great feeling of accomplishment. Studying something one loves makes one feel pride in oneself. I hope that everyone can feel this positive self-image that eluded me for so long.

87 Name: Loser : 2007-08-20 18:35 ID:bSHSR/LG

>>83
Changing my attitude is not enough for me what i intended to do, if i would do it!

>"Ever wondered why the majority hates the Bush administration?"

Well then why did the majority of the american citizen, who took part in the election voted for him to begin with?
Perhaps they are too blind-folded adn plain dumb (sorry ;))?
Yeah while we are doing seomthing like typing eating, going to toilet etc. someone in the world is dying from hunger, shootings etc. etc.
So what can we do, how can we change it?
Give me the power to change it all! ;)
Why are the most powerfull leaders in the world stupid hypocrits who look for their own happieness in the first place?

>>84 Nah.... i don't think i am a cool person.....ok, i am pretty good looking^^ ( yeah this sounds arrogant).

>"You'll probably develop interests in things other than manga/anime as time goes by."

Don't think so, since i DO NOT have the abilities nesaccary for it ;(

88 Name: Loser : 2007-08-20 18:35 ID:bSHSR/LG

>>85 When you can have a girlfriend as attractive and beautiful like a girl/woman in a manga/anime, why not?
If not than i don't need one though ;)

>"Most attractive girls are not interested in anime/manga. It is viewed at as a geeky/dorky hobby which it is in a way".

This is the other problem xD^^. Even if there was someone in the world like in my dreams, imagination, why would she choose ME to begin with?

SO to sum it up, i will stay the rest of my life as a loner.
However this not that big problem, since all my life long I have been a loner.

>>86

Then we, atleast I, want to change it to be perfect for everyone!
Cause one's happieness is mostly the reason for someone to be unhappy ;(.

(SOrry, i don't have enough intelligence to express myself better)

For example all the great monuments in the world, we admire, were build up by people who were enslaved or were forced to do so. So in many cases the happieness of someone equals the same amount of unhappieness for someone else.

If I got the option, the possibility to change the world, all the people to be happy, i will take all the pain, everything negative to equal the the happieness of all people in the world!

Yeah you guess it right, if i could do this, i would be something or someone like god!

Other thing one can do, if someone who has the intelligenge and the power, is changing THE GENES of all people, so that they won't feel any hatred or other negative feelings.
However you can only declare somthing as positive, as long you know what negative is.

Perhaps it is the destiny for humankind to suffer, in order to be a human-being.

HOWEVER those who GOT THE POWER AND ABILITES TO CHANGE, mostly don't do anything since they are already happy.
Those who suffer and are unhappy don't have the power nor the abilities to change anything.

It is like a freaking maze.

Another option in my view is somthing like THE MATRIX.
Happieness is something mind,soul-related.

If we would able to transfer our mind,soul into an alternate world(s), then everyone would be enabled to seek their own happieness.
The people's actual bodies would be maintained by a network of roboters.

Yeah, right, say i am crazy.
However, now we don't have the technology nor the knowledge how to bulid up something like that.

The last one would be, if all people in the world vanish at the same time.
So to speak, they will be extinguished without them having the time they will actually disappear ;)

Well what do i say? In the end i can't do anything big.
This a matter of fact.
( i mean, i even can't earn some money, quite pathethic.
Perhaps i should die painfully by starving to death as a homeless guy).

Therefore there is no actual reason for me to stay alive.

Yeah you guys will say now, that i am a lunatic, an idiot etc. etc.
Say what you want, if it makes you feel happy ;)
Perhaps i should go to a psychiatry and let them brainwash me!
Just go to work for an ordinary job, going for some hobbies, becoming old and die one day........
However this wouldn't be ME then. At the point of time they "brainwash" me it is also the date of MY DEATH!
not the physically one, but the death of my soul/spirit.

89 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-20 20:43 ID:vyozMDnu

OP ("Loser"), you spend too much time feeling sorry for yourself and making excuses. Lots of people here are trying to help you, but you're continually saying "I'm not good enough, I'm too stupid, Nothing interests me." It seems like all you want is attention. You're being selfish. Why did you bother making this topic in the first place?

If you're so miserable, off yourself already and stop whining, since you not only aren't taking good advice being offered, you're just saying you're too dumb for everything.

Maybe you are!

90 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-20 20:43 ID:vyozMDnu

By the way, you're shallow, too.

91 Name: Loser : 2007-08-20 21:03 ID:bSHSR/LG

>>89
>>90

Thanks for your compliments -.-

92 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-20 21:03 ID:HaxaJATF

Aw man, why are we insulting each-other in this thread?

>>1's post in >>81 mentioned the "blindfold", but really who is blind-folded here? When all you can focus on are the little cracks and scratches on your bathtub, how can you enjoy your bath?
People who can really see, really have a big-picture, don't care about things like "good" and "bad", "useful" or not "useful". They realize that everything is Here and that things are connected, and function in a certain way, and they understand that they are part of that, in fact, they destroy the distinction between "themselves" and "everything else" they understand that really, they're the same thing.

The world is like a cookie-factory. It produces many different-shaped cookies: cars, dogs, people, airplanes, swords. However, all the cookies are made from the same dough, and all the cookies taste the same.

93 Name: Loser : 2007-08-20 21:50 ID:bSHSR/LG

Ehm, yeah, ofcourse............

94 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-21 00:27 ID:Heaven

OP You are beyond help. You are like a child who wants a certain toy and no other toy will do because it HAS to be this specific toy because no other toy will work.

You need to learn to grow up.

95 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-21 02:01 ID:/sKWt5rd

>>88

I used to think many of the same things you have thought about how the world might be improved. Eventually, I did reach the conclusion that happiness can only exist because of pain, and you can see this, too. If we were to get rid of the feelings of hate and pain, we would lose the ability to feel anything. This is the same thing as going into a coma. I used to think a coma would be the ideal life -- it's the same as suicide, but you can't be blamed for it legally or morally.

I once toyed around with the idea of housing everyone's bodies in suspended animation with only their minds active. It's a lot like the Matrix, but instead of allowing everyone to live out their allotted lifespans and (somehow) procreate, everyone would be kept eternally young, and no new babies would be born. Their real bodies would be below the ground, and above the ground they would have machine bodies that could interperate feelings of pleasure but not pain. Meanwhile, the environment could re-form in its entirety because humans no longer needed to destroy it to make themselves comfortable.

I had the same idea about offing the entire world simultaneously. We have enough nukes, after all.

In the end though, you have to realize that these things aren't going to happen. They are fine ideas, in the same way as Communism working is a fine idea, but could not be put into practice. So we come to the choice of making due with what we have, withdrawing, or suicide. Out of the three, adapting to life on the outside has the most opportunity for growth and happiness, and can be achieved no matter who you are. Even if you say you aren't good enough, you are human, so you can change. All humans can change themselves. Taking the first step is as easy as walking around in a place with a few people. Eventually maybe you'll be able to go into a store and ask the clerk to check out your order at the desk. Then maybe, slowly but surely, you can learn to make small talk with people. It's hard, but it can be done, and it can be very rewarding.

96 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-21 04:23 ID:Heaven

>>94 is right, there is no point trying to convince him any further. OP's mind is set and there's nothing we can do about it.

97 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-21 04:26 ID:Heaven

>>88

>HOWEVER those who GOT THE POWER AND ABILITES TO CHANGE, mostly don't do anything since they are already happy.

Those who suffer and are unhappy don't have the power nor the abilities to change anything.

You are right on this. Now go write a book and try convincing the world.

98 Name: 丹頂女 : 2007-08-21 07:17 ID:iuecmuGe

OP, lower your standards. Anime girls aren't real, and even in Japan people don't act, or even talk, like they do. You're vain, and seem like you're just scrambling for attention.
Stop putting yourself down, and stand up and help yourself. If you have time to complain, you have time to begin something worthwhile, so don't give insult to yourself by wasting precious time! Stop being lazy, and get a job, if you're worried about being kicked out. You don't have to stop being an ota, but don't lust after 2D characters!
If you want to be smart, then study. You have time to post here, so use your complaining time to go research a field that interests you, and when you're confident in it, go to college! You don't have to be a genius, you just have to try.
There is no such thing as perfection, so don't aim for that-- aim for the most you can do!

99 Name: Loser : 2007-08-21 09:44 ID:tClg3ANA

First of all i thank you all to try to convince me and help me :).

>>95 The world's happieness, is my happieness ;(
I don't want to seek happieness for myself.

>>97 Write a book? Even if i am able to do it, it would change nothing. People reading it and then forget it one day.
There so many musicians trying to convince the people by their lyrics. But people tend to forget.....
It needs something more drastically than that. This why i need "the power".

I guess you are right. My mind have been set up for a lonG long time.
Now i finally realize it. Without the abilities and the power, my "personal mission" is beyond reach.
Therefore i have no real reason to live on, since "joining" the society and leading a "normal" would equal death to my real ME.

You need not posting anymore and try to convince me ;).

I just hope (no i will force it that) in my next life(assuming there is such a thing), i shall have the power and the ability to fullfill my mission. The COMPLETE CHANGE OF THE WORLD.

Just wish me luck ;) and REMEMBER this thread in the future!!
That is important.

Now i wait wor the right opportunity to leave this body peacefully.

Kami

100 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-21 14:09 ID:MNEBaqlY

>The world's happieness, is my happieness ;(

Without being a part of that world outside of your house, how can you say this? Without experiencing the joy and pain of everyday life, how can you understand the motivations that lead to the troubles of society, thereby gaining the most powerful resource to change there is: information?

It isn't that people are forgetting the lessons of authors and musicians; it's more that change is a slow process. The world has had many revolutions seeking the best possible solutions to its problems. It's not going to happen overnight. You can't solve it by yourself. That is why other people are important.

101 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-21 16:00 ID:z5xOISGz

OP I recommend you read this http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~chuff/holiday.html if you are really serious about suicide (which I highly doubt) and not calling out for attention. If you read this document you will learn how to kill yourself effectively and efficiently.

102 Name: Loser : 2007-08-21 16:05 ID:tClg3ANA

>>102 thx, but i know everything already ;)

Just sleeping.............like the prefered method in Japan.

103 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-21 18:36 ID:MNEBaqlY

If that is how it is, then I will stop trying to show you angels. I am very sad about this. I am sure the angels are also weeping.

104 Name: Loser : 2007-08-21 19:04 ID:tClg3ANA

>>103
Yeah of course......then show me an "angel" who can change my genes.
If not, then i need no other "angels" ;(

105 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-21 21:35 ID:Heaven

>>104
Just let it die.

106 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-21 22:09 ID:hUXSduw3

>>104

He wants to change his genes???

you could transport OP into his favorite anime universe and nobody would see him on screen, 'cause he'd be sulking in the corner, dreaming of a way to get back to "reality".

107 Name: Loser : 2007-08-21 22:57 ID:tClg3ANA

>>106 ................

108 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-22 17:21 ID:Heaven

109 Name: Loser : 2007-08-26 17:15 ID:8t7pq875

HI it is me again ;)

I think i am not really a hikki. GOing out was pretty easy as today.

I think the next life is calling me ;=)

I visited the places of my past.......

Last step before i can go is to WATCH THE BEAUTIFUL STAR NIGHT :))

After that i can "sleep" peacefully and hopefully if i wake up, then i shall have a SUPERIOR GENES which would allow me to change the whole world ;)

Just wish me good luck, and believe in me and also remember this thread!!

"See" you in about 20years.

You should hear from the news about some very important person, who will change the earth for good ;)

Sayonara untile the day we "meet" again :)

110 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-26 19:01 ID:hUXSduw3

>>109

Has some ego to think he'll respawn as an "important person". He'll just respawn as himself.

I wonder if he'll kill himself again, or chose to live for once.

111 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-26 19:53 ID:EFPNoaZX

>>109
OFUK A ZOMBIE

112 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-26 22:19 ID:+EZ+5cGk

Jesus fuck.

Get drunk.
Get out of the apartment.
Get a job.(who the hell cares if you don't like it, nobody likes their job)
You can't change the world, live with it like the rest of us.

113 Name: sage : 2007-08-27 04:29 ID:Heaven

>>109
No one cares anymore, we're done trying to convince you.

>>110-112
sage goes in every field people!

114 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-30 21:42 ID:1ogUY9Wj

hey hey i read this thread a bit. i feel bad for you since it seems in a sense you want help but you don't want to do the stuff that people are suggesting to you or something. no matter how hard they try to convince you only you can choose to help your self in the end. if you really want to stop being a hikikomori then choose to not be one. its simple

about the anime girls, i'm a girl and i think there are girls who are kind and stuff

but anime girls aren't real. i hope you realize that since real girls have more depth into them and aren't so 2D

i'm serious. the thing is anime is anime. no one acts like them in real life except cosplayers and that's all an act.

real people are more interesting since there's so much more them, they get angry,sad, depressed, happy, joyful, hopefuly, etc.

that's what makes real people so beautiful.

115 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-30 22:04 ID:Heaven

>>114
He's beyond hope, please just let it die

116 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-30 23:16 ID:hUXSduw3

>>115

Well that's not really helping, is it?

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